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CADsortaGUY

Lifer
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How do you know where you there?

Just guessed since you come across as a spoiled/entitled kid on here. Figured there was an authority issue in your youth - this thread confirmed it. I find many people on the left who look for more gov't have had this issue. They didn't have the security of a trustworthy authority in their youth and yet now look to have a big blankey provided by uncle sam.

Not always true by any stretch but it's been my experience talking with a great many liberals like you it stems from some youth "trauma"(atleast in their minds). So while it may not be in your case(and you'll likely deny it now anyway), it is for many others.
 

Ausm

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Just guessed since you come across as a spoiled/entitled kid on here. Figured there was an authority issue in your youth - this thread confirmed it. I find many people on the left who look for more gov't have had this issue. They didn't have the security of a trustworthy authority in their youth and yet now look to have a big blankey provided by uncle sam.

Not always true by any stretch but it's been my experience talking with a great many liberals like you it stems from some youth "trauma"(atleast in their minds). So while it may not be in your case(and you'll likely deny it now anyway), it is for many others.

Well your're a pretty terrible at assumptions and you sound like a person who has had a sliver spoon rammed up his ass most likely also got his way all the time or had a temper tantrum if things didn't work out and turned out to be a self righteous prick which is very evident reading your posts...
 
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CADsortaGUY

Lifer
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Well your're a pretty terrible at assumptions and you sound like a person who has had a sliver spoon rammed up his ass most likely also got his way all the time or had a temper tantrum if things didn't work out and turned out to be a self righteous prick which is very evident reading your posts...

lol, hit a nerve I guess.

But no, no silver spoon here - worked hard, made tough decisions, things are paying off. :cool: But don't worry many liberals tend to mistake confidence for arrogance so you aren't alone.:)
 

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Lifer
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lol, hit a nerve I guess.

But no, no silver spoon here - worked hard, made tough decisions, things are paying off. :cool:

Nah didn't hit a nerve at all and your warped views of a Dem/Progressive/Liberals in general really expose how truly ignorant you are with a shocking limited amount of Education to boot....maybe you stop embracing 80's Dogma and join the world?
 

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Lifer
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Nah didn't hit a nerve at all and your warped views of a Dem/Progressive/Liberals in general really expose how truly ignorant you are with a shocking limited amount of Education to boot....maybe you stop embracing 80's Dogma and join the world?

lol, keep trying junior. It's ok, daddy Fed will take care of you...
 

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Lifer
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lol, keep trying junior. It's ok, daddy Fed will take care of you...

:rolleyes::rolleyes: Lame comeback achieved! You are almost a bigger joke then what the Republican's are putting up to run against President Obama...thx for the belly laugh this afternoon :D
 
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Perknose

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I don't know, it was a gradual thing. I always devoured Time magazine from cover to cover when it came weekly, and read two newspapers through each day from an early age. Pre-internet and pre-cable TV, that was what was pretty much available to a pre-teen in insular, Opie-land suburbia.

Also from a quite early age, I'd read a lot of history, so, for instance, in 7th grade I was able to correct the teacher when he talked about the Russian Revolution of 1917 -- telling him and the class that there were two successive revolutions then -- the first brought the Social Cadets (sic) to power, the second brought the Bolsheviks to power.

My parents were both life-long Republicans, though not of the reactionary variety. I guess I thought of myself as a Republican, but I always did kind of think for myself.

One memory is the class voting in 7th or 8th grade while an election was about to be held. I was the only one who split my ticket, voting for a Democrat for the US Senate (Joe Clarke) and a Republican for Pa governor (Bill Scranton), both principled, mainstream American liberals from a time when both parties had plenty of them in their ranks.

Almost every other student had near zero clue about the entire election. I vividly remember one girl raising her hand and blandly asking the teacher, "Which one is the Republican?" so she would know how to vote. I grew up in an area that went for Alf Landon for President during the 1936 Roosevelt landslide, just to give you an idea.

In 1964, though, I was wildly behind Barry Goldwater! I just really liked the guy's refreshingly blunt honesty and didn't really care about anything else. Hey, I was in 9th grade, what did I know? :p

This support went against the LBJ tsunami prevalent then throughout the land, even in my historically Republican area. Through my efforts, the 9th grade boys (for some reason, they tallied the votes in each grade separately by gender) were the only group, male or female, in the entire 7th-12th grade Jr/Sr High to go for Goldwater! :biggrin:

For my Senior History class, we had to write a 10 page paper. I wrote a 30 + page one passionately defending our involvement in Vietnam. I ended it with, "America, right or wrong!" My teacher mildly questioned the absolute certainty of that sentiment.

At that callow age and more innocent time, I was still a committed Cold Warrior dedicated to confronting the international communist menace. Like so many other Americans, I just didn't know enough about the history of Vietnam and that region to have a deeper, more informed view. Within a blindingly short time in the scheme of things, events I experienced that I will not discuss here changed my views, and my politics, forever.

Life happened, brutally hard and fast, and I grew up.

I was living in California when I could first vote in 1972. Even though I couldn't stand Nixon (even my father the staunch life-long Republican has a personal distaste for the man), I simply couldn't bring myself to vote for McGovern. It was his proposal for a 100% inheritance tax that sealed that deal. So I cast my one and only symbolic protest vote, and voted for Dick Gregory for President from the Peace and Freedom party. I also voted for the 1972 (!) CA initiative to legalize marijuana. Both lost miserably. ;)

Personally, every year through junior and senior high school I was elected to student council. I was semi-embarrassed by the whole thing and never wanted to run, but my buddies would always nominate me anyway and I would always win.

As everyone knows, student council is a lame-ass joke in most schools. Still, I believe I was able to accomplish one small, tangible thing. My Junior year, they had the school nutritionist (lunch lady?) speak before the council.

Then, the floor was opened to questions. So I asked her why chocolate milk wasn't an offered option in the school cafeteria. She said it wasn't because of nutritional reasons. I then said that regular milk was offered, and that chocolate candy bars could be purchased in the vending machines, so it didn't seem that offering chocolate milk as an option would be introducing any new nutritional danger.

She didn't say much in response, but THE NEXT WEEK chocolate milk showed up unannounced in the cafeteria. I told my buddies I was responsible for that. Naturally, they didn't believe me! :D
 
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In 1964, though, I was wildly behind Barry Goldwater! I just really liked the guy's refreshingly blunt honesty and didn't really care about anything else. Hey, I was in 9th grade, what did I know? :p

This support went against the LBJ tsunami prevalent then throughout the land, even in my historically Republican area. Through my efforts, the 9th grade boys (for some reason, they tallied the votes in each grade separately by gender) were the only group, male or female, in the entire 7th-12th grade Jr/Sr High to go for Goldwater!
Holy shit....Goldwater?!? Who'd have thunk!

Seriously, thanks for sharing a little about yourself.
 

Nemesis 1

Lifer
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Just guessed since you come across as a spoiled/entitled kid on here. Figured there was an authority issue in your youth - this thread confirmed it. I find many people on the left who look for more gov't have had this issue. They didn't have the security of a trustworthy authority in their youth and yet now look to have a big blankey provided by uncle sam.

Not always true by any stretch but it's been my experience talking with a great many liberals like you it stems from some youth "trauma"(atleast in their minds). So while it may not be in your case(and you'll likely deny it now anyway), it is for many others.

So true They are cheaper by the doozen . As you said there are exceptions . If your old posting here all day I understand . If your not old you either work nights or post on company time. OR your a dead beat . I preferr the dead beat to the guys that post on the company dime .
 

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Being a youth of the 80s radicalized me to some degree I am sure, Iran Contra, seeing my president lie through his teeth like that was bad. Nicaragua, Chernobyl accident, Tienanmen Square, Afgan war (the SU one)....the cold war...always being ready for the big white flash, or just knowing it was always there waiting to happen. Something luckily the kids nowadays do not grow up with. (although imo things are more dangerous on that front then when I was a kid, but I digress)

My first vote was for Nader, I voted for a Dem all of once since (and that was a protest vote against bush sr) I did not vote for Obama as to me he is a corporate tool. My democrat friends pooh pooed me about it in 08, every one of them has since said I was right.

Obama was a weird election night, all my close friends (non-democrats) were booing him getting elected because "he is a part of the capitalist corrupt system" I thought this was a shitty way to celebrate the page turning in a superficial way I guess of our racist past in the USA. I walked out of their little Anarcho-gathering and went out into the streets to celebrate with the hoards of dems in the streets.

The victory always seemed really hollow to me, only cool thing is that they played the whole version of "this land is your land" at the inauguration. Besides him kicking our enemies ass which is good (I am a bit of a war hawk) he will not get my vote this time either. (not that it matters, I live in a 98% Dem district lol)

Since I have been old enough really to be into political science (my dad would always leave his college books for me to read) I have not liked ANY president. This puts me square in the "Indy" category I guess.

Nowadays when I think about the long term prospects of the USA politically it usually includes an escape plan to a more civilized country. Not saying a lot for my opinion of the system.

The verse, a slice of our folk history long since discarded by the American working class: Used like a cheap 2 dollar prostitute then forgotten again by Obama's rise to power, but I caught it!


Nobody living can ever stop me,
As I go walking that freedom highway;
Nobody living can ever make me turn back
This land was made for you and me.

In the squares of the city, In the shadow of a steeple;
By the relief office, I'd seen my people.
As they stood there hungry, I stood there asking,
Is this land made for you and me?

As I went walking I saw a sign there
And on the sign it said "No Trespassing."
But on the other side it didn't say nothing,
That side was made for you and me.
 
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Nemesis 1

Lifer
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Look I don't mean change topic and really aren't . But LIES LIES LIES . Don't you get Its almost all lies. Look This is as simple as it gets . Lets talk about lies . Moses an egyptian Prince. Who he was You have to read more than Hebrew History I won't cover that aspect. I will however tell you about the God of the Prince of eygpt. and why when asked his name the reply was I am what I become, (I am That I am)

At the end of prayer under the Holy Roman empire we say Amen . Ceaser(god) Cleopatra (godess Isis) Union Child = Caesarion(son of god ) Rome =sun worship.
Union of egyptian gods Ra and This god
Some assume that Amun (Amen, Amon) was a relatively modern god within the context of ancient Egyptian religion. His worship at Thebes, where the earliest known Temple dedicated to him was located, is only documented from the 11th Dynasty onward.



It is true that he gained most of his prestige after replacing the war god Montu as the principle god of Thebes during Egypt's New Kingdom, when he was recognized as the "King of Gods". At that time, because of Egypt's influence in the world, he actually became a universal god. In fact, by the 25th Dynasty, Amun-Re was even the chief god of the Nubian Kingdom of Napata and by the Ptolemic, or Greek period, he was regarded as the Egyptian equivalent of Zeus. However, he is actually mentioned in the pyramid text from the Old Kingdom (5th Dynasty, Unas - line 558), which show him to be a primeval deity and a symbol of creative force. This text seems to assign great antiquity to his existence.



Amun-Re grew so important spiritually and politically by the time of the New Kingdom that Egypt became something of a Theocracy. At the apex of his worship, Egyptian religion approached monotheism. The other gods became mere symbols of his power, or manifestations of Amun-Re. In essence, he became the one and only supreme deity.



He was one of the eight Heh gods of the Ogdoad of Hermopolis, where his original consort was Amaunet (Ament). His worship may have originated at Hermopolis, but another possibility was that he functioned early on as a less prominent god at Thebes, where he eventually flourished. The Nubians, however, believed that he originated at Gebel Barkal, located in the modern north of the Sudan.



In the middle of the 16th Dynasty, with the expulsion of the Hyksos rulers of Egypt, Amun's growth was accelerated due to the vindication of both Egyptian power and Amun-Re as a protector of both the Egyptian state and the Monarchy. At that time, temples were built and dedicated to Amun throughout Egypt, including the Luxor Temple and the Great Temple at Karnak. His importance during this and later periods is evidenced by the grander and extravagance of these temples. They were enlarged and enriched over the centuries by rulers of Egypt who were eager to express their devotion to Amun-Re.



In fact, his growth to that of a national god mirrored the growth of Thebes in importance. This growth was accelerated when Amenemhet I took control of the thrown at Thebes, and founded the 12th Dynasty. However, the apex of his worship probably occurred during the New Kingdom onward at Thebes, where the important Opet festival was dedicated to Amun. During the Opet festival, the statue of Amun was conveyed by boat from the temple of Karnak to Luxor in order to celebrate Amun's marriage to Mut in his aspect of Ka-mut-ef (literally, "bull of his mother"). In this capacity, Amun was recognized for his procreative function. Together, Amun and Mut conceived their son, Khonsu, a moon god, to make of the Thebes Triad.



The sacred animal of Amun was originally the Goose, and like Geb, he was sometimes known as the "Great Cackler". Later, Amun was more closely associated with the Ram, a symbol of fertility. At various times he also sometimes appears as a man with the head of a frog, the head of a uraeus, the head of a crocodile, or as an ape. However, when depicted as a king, he wears the crown of two plumes, a symbol borrowed from Min, and often sits on a throne. In this form, he is one of nine deities who compose the company of gods of Amen-Ra. In the Greek period (and somewhat earlier, in order to ascribe many attributes to Amun-Re, he was sometimes depicted in bronze with the bearded head of a man, the body of a beetle with the wings of a hawk, the legs of a man and the toes and claws of a lion. He was further provided with four hands and arms and four wings.

AMEN RA union Power = Holy spirit of combined gods

Lies you haven't a clue about lies but ever so slowly the whole truth and testimony has been given , Its almost done now . Lies you are clueless
 

MotF Bane

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Ooookay, somebody forgot to take their meds today.

For the topic - 2000, Bush v. Gore. I don't remember why exactly I became interested (I was 11), but I've been paying attention ever since then.
 

ComradeBeck

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This is bad! Oh no!

Those idiots over at the Abortion factories probably forgot to tell the "keep the black man down in the liberal plantation" guys to tell ACORN to not forget to close the damn door on the fridge where we keep the Egyptian pharaoh DNA us at the World Communist Children Programming Center used to clone our savior Obama. OH TEH NOES! I swear, they are always too busy thinking about teh ghey sexorz to get anythign done. We must up the dose of fluoride!

Nemesis, you know too much comrade. Come with us, we are from the government. We know what is best for you.
 
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shira

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i'm 39 and don't give a crap about politics.
most of the people who 'care' about politics, do so from their armchair, like the whackjobs in p&n.

if you 'care' about politics, you're running a campaign. you're not complaining about it from the sidelines.

I like your reasoning. I think it could be generalized. Let's see:

If you "care" about professional football, you're a pro quarterback; you're not watching from the sidelines.

Wow, this is EXACTLY what the NFL wants to hear.
 

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Lifer
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Ooookay, somebody forgot to take their meds today.

For the topic - 2000, Bush v. Gore. I don't remember why exactly I became interested (I was 11), but I've been paying attention ever since then.

Common lighten up. Here watch this . I will get why I posted this . on edit.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v5YjbQFIIVs

The sacred animal of Amun was originally the Goose, and like Geb, he was sometimes known as the "Great Cackler". Later, Amun was more closely associated with the Ram

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w6QgjfCdw6U&feature=related

It really isn't rational to jump to conclusions that the present conditions were experiencing aren't all ready known to those who have power over history and what that history was . It is ignorance in the assumption that you have any meaning full intellect. I will go get a post I made some time ago . Than I want you to pay close attention,

Here is the AT topic .

http://forums.anandtech.com/showthread.php?t=2147938&page=3


Here is a link from the second page . Listen closely as I weave this tale . The music is nice the lyrics are revealing .

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qHpGXOGurj0&feature=related

The post you made funny at . It wasn't meant to be funny . Take care . The present world governments knows exactly whats going on . I did forget another link that should have been the 3rd link . I will get that .

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o0CB1J9Opvc&feature=results_video&playnext=1&list=PL58DF04FCFE4C6EC8
 
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mammador

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My personality (I like to think about big issues) and fact. Politics affects everything; can anybody live in any society and not be in some way affected by the governance within? It's just retarded popular culture that makes people think politics is some overly intellectual and esoteric item.
 

monovillage

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Big Rock Candy Mountain would be a better song for the OWS crowd. Especially the final stanza.

" The punk rolled up his big blue eyes
And said to the jocker, "Sandy,
I've hiked and hiked and wandered too,
But I ain't seen any candy.
I've hiked and hiked till my feet are sore
And I'll be damned if I hike any more
To be buggered sore like a hobo's whore
In the Big Rock Candy Mountains."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Big_Rock_Candy_Mountain
 

hal2kilo

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Approximately 1968 when Vietnam really began to ramp up (and I was a few years from draft age). Became an obsession from Watergate on-Watergate was the best TV series ever.

Oh, the memories. Similar experience. I was fourteen then.

My maternal grandmother was the secretary for the Arlington County Republican Party and both my parents were involved in conservative politics.

Dinner time with the evening news on (and the daily body count) typically ended in some sort of shouting match. Couldn't wait to get the fuck out of there.

Used to piss my dad off that his mom was a died in the wool FDR democrat.
 

Nebor

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I never did and I still don't. I'm a proud non-voter. I do find other peoples' reactions to politics fascinating though. And the anonymity of the internet really unleashes the beast in a lot of them. Most of the loudmouths here probably don't even make eye contact with people in the real world.
 

HamburgerBoy

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Elementary school. My parents were voting Republican, so I wanted to as well. Our teacher had us make up little slogans and such for the candidate we supported, and we had a class election (which was 14 Bush, 14 Gore, 1 Nader). My political bit was a whiteboard drawing of Al Gore killing a bunch of people into a pile of gore, and Bush standing next to a burning bush of certain Biblical significance with a halo over his head.