What's your take of Hyperthreading?

[clevere1]

I'm curious .. what do you think of hyperthreading?

 

[infinite012]

It's coooooool. Everything feels snappier and loads a bit quicker than an equally rated Athlon XP. I'm currently saving the dough for an Intel rig.

 

[beatle]

It's great, especially for media encoding. I'd have an HT enabled chip if my wallet didn't argue with me so much.

 

[JonnyBlaze]

if it wernt for HT, i would have gone with dual p4 xeons. i only like duallie systems. HT makes it seem the same, except alot more affordable.

my last 2 systems were duals. ill wait for some xeons with a higher fsb and ill upgrade again

JB

 

[clevere1]

Does it make that much difference? I've got a 2.4C running HT and I don't see all that much difference.

 

[Lonyo]

Originally posted by: infinite012
It's coooooool. Everything feels snappier and loads a bit quicker than an equally rated Athlon XP. I'm currently saving the dough for an Intel rig.

That's just AMD sucking

 

[stardust]

i dun see that much difference either...
everything is fast..i think i got a bigger boost switching to RAID
installed winXP in 5-6min!

 

[Shimmishim]

Originally posted by: Lonyo

Originally posted by: infinite012
It's coooooool. Everything feels snappier and loads a bit quicker than an equally rated Athlon XP. I'm currently saving the dough for an Intel rig.

That's just AMD sucking

whoa whoa... why does everyone have to turn some topic about amd or intel into a flame war....

HT is nice... VERY VERY nice... even as an amd user, it'd be nice to see something like this or even SSE2 with amd processors...

oh well guess the athlon 64 will have to do...

 

[TerryMathews]

I'm just glad Intel brought SMPesque processing into the mainstream. Now we'll get more programs that will work equally well on my MPX system. Thanks, Intel!

BTW, I'd get a dually Intel if they wern't so damn expensive compared to AMD's duallys. I long for days past of dual P3s. What was Intel thinking???!?

 

[Duvie]

Originally posted by: clevere1
Does it make that much difference? I've got a 2.4C running HT and I don't see all that much difference.

well what are you making the comparison too??? Did you turn off HT and try it or did you have a 2.4b or 2.4a intel p4????

From what I have heard multitaskers will enjoy it tremendously and I am talking about noticeable gains from ppl I have talked too....I encode a lot as well as do other cpu intensive acts and like to do them at the same time while not dragging the time of the encoding down or making everything else seem choppy or non-responsive...

 

[zephyrprime]

What was Intel thinking???!?

They were thinking "Let's bilk businesses".

 

[Regs]

Isn't duel CPU worthless for the home desktop? Server or workstation of course, but for home use? Explain to me what advantages duel cpu set ups have for the home user. Something that justifies the cost of it please.

Im guessing multi-tasking, but you would have to be one hefty multi tasker to ever use such performance.

 

[AnImuS]

Originally posted by: Regs
Isn't duel CPU worthless for the home desktop? Server or workstation of course, but for home use? Explain to me what advantages duel cpu set ups have for the home user. Something that justifies the cost of it please.

Im guessing multi-tasking, but you would have to be one hefty multi tasker to ever use such performance.

Right now the most affordable 2 cpu system is the AMD athlons. You can be burning cd/dvd and playing video games at the same time without any slowdowns. Encoding and graphics is were SMP shines. As you get a boost having two procs doing the work instead of only one. Basicly it takes more work for your system to slow down when doing heavy computer tasks. And i dont mean using outlook and websurfing...

 

[TerryMathews]

Originally posted by: Regs
Explain to me what advantages duel cpu set ups have for the home user. Something that justifies the cost of it please.

What cost? Dually AMD boards are really more expensive than their uniproc bretheren, so your only 'extra' cost is that second processor. In my case, the A7M266-D was $100, and I paid $100/pc for 2100+ Tbred Bs that overclocked to 2220MHz. Each.

For Xeon, the cost isn't justified for the desktop, as DP Xeon boards are $250+ as procs (worth having anyway) are $200+/pc. There's no way to use standard P4s in place of Xeons either, to cut cost.

I get gains on the order of 80% extra when doing most SMP-aware tasks, like encoding video using TMPGenc which coincendentally is the best tool to convert DivX/XviD to MPEG2 DVDs. Also works wonders with Distributed Folding.

Now that Intel has introduced HyperThreading, you're going to see more SMP aware apps. Most encoders, both audio and video, already are SMP aware. Some games are, and compatability is only going to get better.

Best way to look at it: Uniprocessor is for gaming. SMP is for real work. Think about what you want to do and go from there.

 

[clevere1]

Originally posted by: TerryMathews

Originally posted by: Regs
Explain to me what advantages duel cpu set ups have for the home user. Something that justifies the cost of it please.

What cost? Dually AMD boards are really more expensive than their uniproc bretheren, so your only 'extra' cost is that second processor. In my case, the A7M266-D was $100, and I paid $100/pc for 2100+ Tbred Bs that overclocked to 2220MHz. Each.

For Xeon, the cost isn't justified for the desktop, as DP Xeon boards are $250+ as procs (worth having anyway) are $200+/pc. There's no way to use standard P4s in place of Xeons either, to cut cost.

I get gains on the order of 80% extra when doing most SMP-aware tasks, like encoding video using TMPGenc which coincendentally is the best tool to convert DivX/XviD to MPEG2 DVDs. Also works wonders with Distributed Folding.

Now that Intel has introduced HyperThreading, you're going to see more SMP aware apps. Most encoders, both audio and video, already are SMP aware. Some games are, and compatability is only going to get better.

Best way to look at it: Uniprocessor is for gaming. SMP is for real work. Think about what you want to do and go from there.

But the nice thing about having Duel Xeons is that fact you get essentially (sp) 4 processors for the price of two. I looked at Athlon MP systems, and if the darn motherboards weren't so expensive, I'd go that route. I was curious as to what others thought of HT .. and yup, I've compared the two, and it does make a hell of a difference with cpu intensive processing ...

 

[Lyfer]

Its free, what's there to argue about?

 

[Remedy]

Originally posted by: Lyfer
Its free, what's there to argue about?

Because some applications, if not a good majority take an impact in performance with the HT enabled rather than Disabled. It's nice to have a feature that works, but if it is degrading performance with some applications, it's useless. This doesn't mean it shouldn't be praised. But in some 3D applications I've seen the performance was degraded. As stated above, if you multitask heavily, then it makes sense to buy a Pentium4 over a dual processor boxen(when looking at the logitivity factor.)

Here is a good example of the Multitasking with HT enabled. Looks pretty good when you actually mimic the bar graphs in realworld environment.

Note: I've dropped my Dual AMD's after 2 years last week for Pentium4's for audio work.

 

[AnImuS]

Originally posted by: ReMeDy{WcS}

Originally posted by: Lyfer
Its free, what's there to argue about?

Because some applications, if not a good majority take an impact in performance with the HT enabled rather than Disabled. It's nice to have a feature that works, but if it is degrading performance with some applications, it's useless. This doesn't mean it shouldn't be praised. But in some 3D applications I've seen the performance was degraded. As stated above, if you multitask heavily, then it makes sense to buy a Pentium4 over a dual processor boxen(when looking at the logitivity factor.)

Here is a good example of the Multitasking with HT enabled. Looks pretty good when you actually mimic the bar graphs in realworld environment.

Note: I've dropped my Dual AMD's after 2 years last week for Pentium4's for audio work.

What a surprise. Two weeks ago i was running a dual 2800+( were 1700's) and went to my current setup P4 @ 3.5GHZ. and Im 110% glad i did.

 

[Regs]

Well here is a good graph on anandtech that compares the CPU's encoding capabilities.

CPU Chart

 

[Fallengod]

Yeh I saw that. Its pretty sad when a intel 2.4ghz that costs $150 beats a amd cpu that costs $300 .

Even in the 3d rendering marks, a 2.2ghz intel was faster than the AMD 3200....Ok you can argue chipsets and crap like that all day, but when it comes down to it, intel has it and amd doesnt..

 

[soja]

Thats why you get a 40$ 1700+ tbred b and oc the hell out of it in hopes of beating that 2.4 intel

 

[orion7144]

Don't forget to add the cost for a decent HSF for the 1700+

Originally posted by: soja
Thats why you get a 40$ 1700+ tbred b and oc the hell out of it in hopes of beating that 2.4 intel

 

[jhites]

Originally posted by: clevere1
I'm curious .. what do you think of hyperthreading?

Back to the thread topic - Hyperthreading coupled with a good mobo using 875/865 chipset overclocked C chip is amazing when it comes to multi-tasking. The performance gain is minimal compared to some Granite Bay systems if you are just playing games.

 

[Boonesmi]

I'm curious .. what do you think of hyperthreading?

to be honest i wasnt that impressed... but then anything over 1.5ghz feels about the same to me

 

[DAPUNISHER]

Originally posted by: orion7144
Don't forget to add the cost for a decent HSF for the 1700+

Originally posted by: soja
Thats why you get a 40$ 1700+ tbred b and oc the hell out of it in hopes of beating that 2.4 intel

and the fact that the 2.4c is going to stomp a mud hole in the 1700+ once you've finished overclocking both :evil: