What's your opinion of 1and1 web hosting?

[burnedout]

I'm also looking at opening an account with HostPC because my ISP doesn't provide enough space (5 MB) for pictures and other files. Additionally, I don't like using servers that I admin here at work for that purpose.

This thread definitely confirms that HostPC is a pretty fair deal. I first read about the hosting service over in Hot Deals about a week ago.

 

[hjo3]

Originally posted by: Jzero

They have your address; that would be enough for mailing bills... and if you don't pay up, they could turn you over to a collections agency which could in turn ruin your credit rating, etc.

Assuming they have your real address.
Besides, I don't think they can do much to your credit rating without your SSN.

The point is that when you sign up with them you're basically entering into a contract that says they can, if they like, make you pay money to other entities. However they go about getting the necessary information to bill you, I don't know. Maybe they could record your IP and contact your ISP like the RIAA was doing.

I still don't see why they would bother doing this anyway.

Well, suppose they have a deal with a domain name registrar; maybe they get $5.00 for every user they get to sign up for the $20/year domain name service. But that's just an example. I'm just saying the service has strings attached.

 

[Rob9874]

Originally posted by: Hammer

Originally posted by: hjo3

Originally posted by: Jzero
I guess I can't figure out why they would do that and how that would be bad for me. So 1&1 registers a domain under my name....they just gave me a domain. I can't be charged for it because they have no billing information. It doesn't make sense....

They have your address; that would be enough for mailing bills... and if you don't pay up, they could turn you over to a collections agency which could in turn ruin your credit rating, etc.

Domain Names may be registered by 1&1 on your behalf through a variety of Domain Name Registration Services (each a "Registrar"). Each Registrar has its own terms and conditions concerning the registration and maintenance of domain names and you agree to be bound thereby.

Translation: We can sign you up for domain names through any company and you automatically agree to whatever those companies say you have to do.

LOL you moron. that's not what that means. all that means is that if you go on their site and register a domain name through them, they register it for you through a third party. you are authorizing them to do so. hahaha. jesus, you guys are something else.

Exactly what I was thinking! That means, "If you would like us to, we can register a domain on your behalf, but we use a 3rd party and you will have to abide by their conditions." That means if you want them to, they have the ability. Not, if we want to, we can do it without your permission.

 

[hjo3]

Originally posted by: Hammer
LOL you moron. that's not what that means. all that means is that if you go on their site and register a domain name through them, they register it for you through a third party. you are authorizing them to do so. hahaha. jesus, you guys are something else.

You obviously didn't read the terms and conditions, and thus have no idea what you're talking about. So STFU.

 

[hjo3]

Originally posted by: Rob9874
Exactly what I was thinking! That means, "If you would like us to, we can register a domain on your behalf, but we use a 3rd party and you will have to abide by their conditions." That means if you want them to, they have the ability. Not, if we want to, we can do it without your permission.

The wording is ambiguous though; "Domain Names may be registered by 1&1 on your behalf" can mean "domain names might be be registered by 1&1 on your behalf." "On your behalf" could mean "with us acting as an authorized agent." There's nothing in there about them needing your permission. You effectively give them your permission when you agree to their conditions.

 

[LikeLinus]

Originally posted by: hjo3

Originally posted by: Jzero

They have your address; that would be enough for mailing bills... and if you don't pay up, they could turn you over to a collections agency which could in turn ruin your credit rating, etc.

Assuming they have your real address.
Besides, I don't think they can do much to your credit rating without your SSN.

The point is that when you sign up with them you're basically entering into a contract that says they can, if they like, make you pay money to other entities. However they go about getting the necessary information to bill you, I don't know. Maybe they could record your IP and contact your ISP like the RIAA was doing.

I still don't see why they would bother doing this anyway.

Well, suppose they have a deal with a domain name registrar; maybe they get $5.00 for every user they get to sign up for the $20/year domain name service. But that's just an example. I'm just saying the service has strings attached.

I guess if you're a conspiracy theorist and think the worst is going to happen, then theoretically maybe they could? At the same time, you could totally be misjudging the wording.

Would 1&1, the largest ISP in Europe, honestly do that to their customers? You realize how fast lawsuits would spring up and their image would be shot to hell? Do you think they'd ruin their own business by doing something that low handed?

 

[AaronB]

From that partyproaz site.

Somehow I think this might have been in poor taste at some point in time. Kind of like a WTC "freefall" ride where you stand on top of an inflatable miniature replica of one of the towers and it falls out from under you. *shrug* Maybe that will be funny in ~100 years or so.

 

[Jzero]

It's worth pointing out, but I'm not concerned.

 

[hjo3]

Originally posted by: LikeLinus
I guess if you're a conspiracy theorist and think the worst is going to happen, then theoretically maybe they could? At the same time, you could totally be misjudging the wording.

Yeah, I'd concede to that; I'm not a lawyer, after all. It just looks kinda fishy/open ended to me.

Would 1&1, the largest ISP in Europe, honestly do that to their customers? You realize how fast lawsuits would spring up and their image would be shot to hell? Do you think they'd ruin their own business by doing something that low handed?

No, I agree, it is unlikely. But, personally, I wouldn't agree to a contract that potentially lets someone charge me for things without my knowledge beforehand unless I knew the company well. Before this offer, I'd never heard of 1and1.

 

[Hammer]

Originally posted by: hjo3

Originally posted by: Hammer
LOL you moron. that's not what that means. all that means is that if you go on their site and register a domain name through them, they register it for you through a third party. you are authorizing them to do so. hahaha. jesus, you guys are something else.

You obviously didn't read the terms and conditions, and thus have no idea what you're talking about. So STFU.

I did read it and my reading comprehension skills and common sense are superior to yours. I know exactly what I'm talking about, you fscking retard. Stop talking out of your ass. There's nothing wrong with those terms. You don't understand what it's saying.

 

[hjo3]

Originally posted by: Hammer

Originally posted by: hjo3

Originally posted by: Hammer
LOL you moron. that's not what that means. all that means is that if you go on their site and register a domain name through them, they register it for you through a third party. you are authorizing them to do so. hahaha. jesus, you guys are something else.

You obviously didn't read the terms and conditions, and thus have no idea what you're talking about. So STFU.

I did read it and my reading comprehension skills and common sense are superior to yours.

Gee, they must be. After all, you really act like a mature, educated person.

I know exactly what I'm talking about, you fscking retard. Stop talking out of your ass. There's nothing wrong with those terms. You don't understand what it's saying.

Uh huh... whatever. I think the way you talk pretty much precludes any possibility of you adding anything useful to the conversation, so just piss off. Kthxbye.

 

[GTaudiophile]

I signed up, so did many non-ATOT friends of mine.

Did anyone notice if there is a "cancel account" option somewhere? If so, I'm not worried. You always have the right to cancel service upon request, even if a time-sensitive contract is involved, which I do not think there is in this case.

 

[MBony]

Originally posted by: Jzero

Originally posted by: hjo3
Here's why I didn't go with 1and1 (cut-pasted from my site):

Section 3.3 of the Terms & Conditions:
Domain Names may be registered by 1&1 on your behalf through a variety of Domain Name Registration Services (each a "Registrar"). Each Registrar has its own terms and conditions concerning the registration and maintenance of domain names and you agree to be bound thereby.

Plus there's some ambiguous stuff about how they can insert advertisements anywhere they want and they can start charging you money with only 30 days notice at any time.

* * *

It does seem risky. What stops them from signing you up for some $3,000/month Domain Name Registration service? If you use their service, you've basically already given them the power to do that, right?

I'd rather use RippleHost ($9.99/year for 100 MB + 1 GB/mo.).

I registered my domain name through GoDaddy. 1&1 has no claim to it.

If they decide to start charging or start throwing ads in, I've lost nothing, I'll just get another hosting company.

I did the same thing. I see it as a win/win situation.

 

[Hammer]

Originally posted by: hjo3

Originally posted by: Hammer

Originally posted by: hjo3

Originally posted by: Hammer
LOL you moron. that's not what that means. all that means is that if you go on their site and register a domain name through them, they register it for you through a third party. you are authorizing them to do so. hahaha. jesus, you guys are something else.

You obviously didn't read the terms and conditions, and thus have no idea what you're talking about. So STFU.

I did read it and my reading comprehension skills and common sense are superior to yours.

Gee, they must be. After all, you really act like a mature, educated person.

I know exactly what I'm talking about, you fscking retard. Stop talking out of your ass. There's nothing wrong with those terms. You don't understand what it's saying.

Uh huh... whatever. I think the way you talk pretty much precludes any possibility of you adding anything useful to the conversation, so just piss off. Kthxbye.

i was putting into language you could understand since you still didn't seem to get it. i'll try using even smaller words next time. maybe you should know what you're talking about next time before you go on and on making statements about what you thinks the TOS means.

 

[Zenmervolt]

I signed up, have a good bit hosted there. Things have been working beautifully, I honestly could not be happier with the service.

ZV

 

[badmouse]

I suppose I'm just cynical, but I would't use it for anything critical. However, for playing around with hosting and design and stuff it's great, so far. My daughter has an account, it's her first experience with web site building and they've actually been great in the help department, with her newbie questions. Good experience. If it all goes south we're not out anything.

 

[JoeKing]

I know your not looking for hosting recommendations, but I really like AddAction.net great Cpanel, support, speed, and price (completly free for first 6 months then $6 per month afterward) THe guys r0x0rs. And no I'm not affiliated with them in anyway

 

[tm37]

Originally posted by: Joeyman
I know your not looking for hosting recommendations, but I really like AddAction.net great Cpanel, support, speed, and price (completly free for first 6 months then $6 per month afterward) THe guys r0x0rs. And no I'm not affiliated with them in anyway

do they still charge a set-up?

 

[amdskip]

I can't stand the slow and confusing control panel. You get what you pay for.

 

[QueBert]

I hate 1and1's control panel, but I'm not in it much so...
pop3 works beautifully ++
I installed phpBB in a matter of 10 minutes and it works flawlessly ++
everything seems to run nice and quick ++
only 100 megs of SQL Database space? I'm not sure how much phpBB can use up after time, but for FREE this hosting still ranks better then the last I had, which cost me 12 bucks a month.
I am amazed at this find. I've even even more amazed that after months have passed and thousands more people have signed up. I don't notice any slowdown. When my free 3 years is up, I would have no doubts about paying if the service stays working as well as it has been for me over the last 2 months.

 

[RossMAN]

Originally posted by: tm37

Originally posted by: Joeyman
I know your not looking for hosting recommendations, but I really like AddAction.net great Cpanel, support, speed, and price (completly free for first 6 months then $6 per month afterward) THe guys r0x0rs. And no I'm not affiliated with them in anyway

do they still charge a set-up?

Yep $9.95 setup which is to deter SPAMMERS from signing up for new accounts.

If Addaction.net offered free 6 months with no setup fee, they'd get thousands of new sign ups an hour.

They continue to host my web site and have been awesome!

 

[Hammer]

Originally posted by: amdskip
I can't stand the slow and confusing control panel. You get what you pay for.

yeah, im not big on their control panel. about it being slow. using IE, its really slow for me. on the same computer, i use firebird and its flawless. its really wierd.

 

[kuk]

The best thing about 1and1 is allowing shell access. I had trouble with the preinstalled GD library which Coppermine uses, so i just uploaded ImageMagick, installed in my folder and voilà, better quality thumbnails and no errors with my digicam's pics.

 

[Jzero]

Originally posted by: kuk
The best thing about 1and1 is allowing shell access. I had trouble with the preinstalled GD library which Coppermine uses, so i just uploaded ImageMagick, installed in my folder and voilà, better quality thumbnails and no errors with my digicam's pics.

Using Terminal Monkey I can access/edit my site from my Sidekick

 

[Hammer]

Originally posted by: hjo3

Originally posted by: Hammer
LOL you moron. that's not what that means. all that means is that if you go on their site and register a domain name through them, they register it for you through a third party. you are authorizing them to do so. hahaha. jesus, you guys are something else.

You obviously didn't read the terms and conditions, and thus have no idea what you're talking about. So STFU.

hjo3, why don't you try looking into things a little more thoroughly before you start talking out of your ass.

I did some checking. And here's what I found out about the company you say is scamming everyone.

1and1's parent company is United Internet, a huge company based out of Germany.
Main Site
Main Site in English

Here's the Hoovers entry on them:
Hoovers Financial Info

Here are their financials. If you read the overview, it explains their strategy behind the promotion and what they hope to accomplish.
Annual Report

Yeah, a company that had 330 million dollars in sales last year is going to be registering domain names in your name.

now you STFU