Question What's your opinion about PSU Tier list on Linustechtips?

[torlen11cc]

Hello,

I am looking at buying Antec High Current Gamer 650W power supply.

Seems decent for that price, but it's a Tier D unit according to the tier list over on linustechtips.
Should I get the Gigabyte P650B? What would be the better choice?

Thanks.

 

[EliteRetard]

I wish somebody would pick up where JonnyGuru left off...

We really do need somebody to do quality reviews of PSUs
It sure feels like the quality is getting worse and prices are way up.

As for a suggestion, how about this Corsair CX650 for $50 after rebate:

Are you a human?

www.newegg.com

Though the CX550 is almost identical and $10 less (do you really need 650w?)

 

[torlen11cc]

I just wanna know if I can trust the PSU tier list on Linustechtips or should I trust the reviews on the web?

 

[BoomerD]

How did they rate them? What criteria? Who did the testing?

 

[biostud]

Op maybe a link to the list?

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[BoomerD]

Op maybe a link to the list?

[EOL] PSU Tier List rev. 14.8

PSU Tier List 4.0 rev. 14.8 (END OF LIFE) Last Update: 27-07-2021 Legend : Gray - EoL/obsolete and/or otherwise not recommended for purchase. Green - small form-factor (gold and blue colors are disregarded due to scarcity of SFX PSUs) Gold - best units in the tier (includes requirements for blue ...

linustechtips.com

 

[torlen11cc]

How did they rate them? What criteria? Who did the testing?

They use toms own reviews about the G3 series as their reasoning while simultaneously ignoring toms still recommendation for it IN THOSE SAME REVIEWS. they all of a sudden don't care about the authors opinion. they pick and choose what they want to hear and spread misinformation and instill paranoia and fear mongering into people. and also flat-out ignore jonnyguru reviews for it as well. while simultaneously using jonny's reviews for recommending other power supplies.

 

[Campy]

There are good Seasonic PSUs with 10 year warranties in the "D+, potentially dangerous" tier so I wouldn't take that list seriously.

 

[serpretetsky]

I wish somebody would pick up where JonnyGuru left off...

We really do need somebody to do quality reviews of PSUs
It sure feels like the quality is getting worse and prices are way up.

I always liked hardocp PSU reviews. Since hardocp went down most of the reviewers (including PSU) moved to thefpsreview.com

Paul Johnson Intro and PSU Review Format

In this introductory editorial, Brent Justice introduces himself and sets up the basics of how we will review GPUs on The FPS Review.

www.thefpsreview.com

 

[Campy]

I know Gamersnexus have purchased gear for PSU testing, but they haven't started doing actual reviews yet, probably due to being overworked as is. I'm looking forward to when they do start reviewing PSUs though because I know they'll do a good job.

 

[LukeSavenije]

How did they rate them? What criteria? Who did the testing?

Testing is spread across various reviewers, i don't have the tools for testing myself at the moment of writing

They use toms own reviews about the G3 series as their reasoning while simultaneously ignoring toms still recommendation for it IN THOSE SAME REVIEWS.

yeah... a psu dying and a partly melting cap is fine, sure... it has a tier d+ placement because of high set protections, not because i consider it a bomb

There are good Seasonic PSUs with 10 year warranties in the "D+, potentially dangerous" tier so I wouldn't take that list seriously.

oh no, my precious Seasonic isn't in a higher tier. they had problems with the 2017 second revision, where it would do 268 mv of ripple at 120%. this counts for the HCG too, as it's based off the psu. this is fixed with the new line (gx/gm/sgx/px), which have been placed in tier a

do your research before criticizing me

 

[Campy]

oh no, my precious Seasonic isn't in a higher tier. they had problems with the 2017 second revision, where it would do 268 mv of ripple at 120%. this counts for the HCG too, as it's based off the psu. this is fixed with the new line (gx/gm/sgx/px), which have been placed in tier a

do your research before criticizing me

Butthurt much? Lol.

Oh, and I don't own one of those units.

 

[LukeSavenije]

Butthurt much? Lol.

nah, just bored and googling around, but thanks for asking

 

[EliteRetard]

nah, just bored and googling around, but thanks for asking

 

[Torn Mind]

Too much emphasis on "performance" and not enough on longevity. Heatsinking and cooling is more important that miniscule differences in noise/ripple for longevity.

And for basic boxes, spending more than 50 dollars is foolishness if you are hands on with the desktop and interact with it. If you're not going interact with it, i.e built for someone far away, then burned in used PSUs are better.

 

[dlerious]

I prefer to go to the original manufacturer rather than a 3rd party who has the OEM build it for them.

 

[JEDIYoda]

Too much emphasis on "performance" and not enough on longevity. Heatsinking and cooling is more important that miniscule differences in noise/ripple for longevity.-- what is the sense in longevity if the PSU does not perform up to specs??

And for basic boxes, spending more than 50 dollars is foolishness if you are hands on with the desktop and interact with it. If you're not going interact with it, i.e built for someone far away, then burned in used PSUs are better. -- Spending less that $50 is risking your build! Cheap is never better!
You need to spend money on a good - not descent , but good PSU!!

You never scrimp on your PSU!1 If you do not have the money for a good PSU then I contend you have no business building a computer!!

 

[UsandThem]

Too much emphasis on "performance" and not enough on longevity. Heatsinking and cooling is more important that miniscule differences in noise/ripple for longevity.

And for basic boxes, spending more than 50 dollars is foolishness if you are hands on with the desktop and interact with it. If you're not going interact with it, i.e built for someone far away, then burned in used PSUs are better.

I've never bought a "burned in", used, or refurbished PSU before. I've only bought new units, and if they aren't DOA or fail quickly after being installed, the odds will be they should last a long time. Just because a person doesn't directly interact with a component doesn't mean that it doesn't makes sense to spend what is needed for each individual's needs. Things like nicer motherboards, after-market coolers, gold/platinum/titanium power supplies.

$50 is not a lot for a PSU, and that's what a lot of the no-name junk units are priced at on places like Amazon or Newegg. Especially after the tariffs, PSU pricing has gone up quite a bit over the last 18 months or so. In fact, here are the first eight sorted-by-price units (650w - 750w) sold and shipped by Newegg:

 

[Hans Gruber]

I have a tier D power supply according to their charts. It's deemed potentially dangerous but only in specific situations.

 

[JEDIYoda]

My PSU isnt even on the list!! I bought it back in 2005 and it just keeps purring along!
PC Power and Cooling 500 watt!!

 

[Hans Gruber]

Look at this glowing review of my old OCZ 700w power supply Known to have bad internals that would fail within 6-18 months. My lasted about 14 month. I had it in storage for what seemed like 4 or 5 years. The only power supply that I have ever had that cooked itself out. It took with it zero components. I knew going into that it would die young.

OCZ GameXStream 700W Review

OCZ is well known for their great overclocking memory. But they also had a PSU product a long time ago. Now the power supply line of products gets a refresh with new products. The first of them is the OCZ GameXStream 700W which is designed with gamers in mind. It is SLI Ready and certified by...

www.techpowerup.com

 

[BoomerD]

Testing is spread across various reviewers, i don't have the tools for testing myself at the moment of writing

and that's exactly my problem with lists like this. Tested by different people/groups, with different test equipment, different testing procedures, different criteria, and maybe...just maybe, some...corporate sponsorship" of the units being testd.

Gawd I miss Jonny Guru and Oklahoma Wolf...

 

[LukeSavenije]

and that's exactly my problem with lists like this. Tested by different people/groups, with different test equipment, different testing procedures, different criteria, and maybe...just maybe, some...corporate sponsorship" of the units being testd.

Gawd I miss Jonny Guru and Oklahoma Wolf...

if i were to bound myself to a single reviewer, i would only be able to do less than half of the psus currently in the list. I look at the data, not the thoughts of the reviewer in question for once, so that's already a bit off. secondly, making a review look better than it is would be against the law, so i don't think many do

and you know... aris honestly does better testing than both have ever done

I prefer to go to the original manufacturer rather than a 3rd party who has the OEM build it for them.

there aren't many on the market that do this though... for many Seasonic and Superflower come to mind, but those partly outsource as well, in this case to RSY. FSP does make them in house for what i know, but honestly there's too little difference between buying from the producer itself, or from the designer/reseller in my eyes, but opinion may vary

I have a tier D power supply according to their charts. It's deemed potentially dangerous but only in specific situations.

thing is with m12ii, it uses group regulation and has a lack of under voltage protection on 12v. i wrote some info about the first here: https://linustechtips.com/main/topi...-units-shouldnt-be-boughtsold-in-2019-and-on/

Too much emphasis on "performance" and not enough on longevity.

where do you see my focus on ripple or even electrical performance in general? i just see protections, topology, crossloads for c6/c7 and so on

 

[JEDIYoda]

if i were to bound myself to a single reviewer, i would only be able to do less than half of the psus currently in the list. I look at the data, not the thoughts of the reviewer in question for once, so that's already a bit off. secondly, making a review look better than it is would be against the law, so i don't think many do

and you know... aris honestly does better testing than both have ever done

there aren't many on the market that do this though... for many Seasonic and Superflower come to mind, but those partly outsource as well, in this case to RSY. FSP does make them in house for what i know, but honestly there's too little difference between buying from the producer itself, or from the designer/reseller in my eyes, but opinion may vary


thing is with m12ii, it uses group regulation and has a lack of under voltage protection on 12v. i wrote some info about the first here: https://linustechtips.com/main/topi...-units-shouldnt-be-boughtsold-in-2019-and-on/


where do you see my focus on ripple or even electrical performance in general? i just see protections, topology, crossloads for c6/c7 and so on

What your doing is good! But the thing about Jonny`s site is they use the same equipment to test PSU!! On every PSU!! IMO it makes a difference! No it does not invalidate what you do so much as it just can lead to errors@!

 

[LukeSavenije]

What your doing is good! But the thing about Jonny`s site is they use the same equipment to test PSU!! On every PSU!! IMO it makes a difference! No it does not invalidate what you do so much as it just can lead to errors@!

as much as i respect Jon, Okla and Tazz, their testing is good, but it's limited

then again, they're fortunately not the only one doing testing

and errors can always happen, that's why i'm trying to be as open as possible to suggestions. unfortunately limiting myself to a single reviewer isn't one i'm currently open to