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What's Wrong with the People in Michigan?

TalonStrike

TalonStrike

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What is the world? Willard "Mitt" Romney says "Let Detroit go bankrupt" and the Repubs vote for him anyway? And the county where Detroit is located also voted for him? What? I don't know what is wrong with Repubs anymore. It seems like if a candidate went to a state, and said, "I hate all of you. I hope you all fail and burn in hell," that candidate would somehow win that state.
 
Two problems: lack of a good alternative, who has the money to buy many ads. Do they want Romney, or 'Kennedy makes him throw up separating church and state' Santorum?
 
TalonStrike said:
What is the world? Willard "Mitt" Romney says "Let Detroit go bankrupt" and the Repubs vote for him anyway?
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Conservatives stand against bailouts. We believe in letting failures go bankrupt so healthy replacements can be made.

You should have known that. This isn't a general election.
 
TalonStrike said:
What is the world? Willard "Mitt" Romney says "Let Detroit go bankrupt" and the Repubs vote for him anyway? And the county where Detroit is located also voted for him? What? I don't know what is wrong with Repubs anymore. It seems like if a candidate went to a state, and said, "I hate all of you. I hope you all fail and burn in hell," that candidate would somehow win that state.
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Hate is a powerful motivator.
 
1) Santorum and Romney both took public stands against the Detroit bailout (admittedly Romney's stand was much more public).

2) I suspect a lot of these GOP voters have nothing to do with the auto industry or are retirees. Look at the total turnout-pretty small for a decent size state.

3) Santorum is pretty crazy, and doubled down on his craziness just before the primary with his bashing on JFK's seperation of church and state (was Santorum arguing the Pope should dictate to the President what to do?) and his attack on the American Dream, higher education for your kid.

Check back after November, Obama will trounce whoever the GOP nominee is in Michigan.
 
TalonStrike said:
What is the world? Willard "Mitt" Romney says "Let Detroit go bankrupt" and the Repubs vote for him anyway? And the county where Detroit is located also voted for him? What? I don't know what is wrong with Repubs anymore. It seems like if a candidate went to a state, and said, "I hate all of you. I hope you all fail and burn in hell," that candidate would somehow win that state.
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Large part of Michigan sees the UAW as the reason for the big 3 problems and bankruptcy allows to drop the standing contracts.
 
Jaskalas said:
Conservatives stand against bailouts. We believe in letting failures go bankrupt so healthy replacements can be made.

You should have known that. This isn't a general election.
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Conservatives are idiots if that's the case.

The under-regulation - something else 'conservatives' say they're for - of the financial industry allowed bad things to happen, resulting in a massive phony 'insurance' of all the institutions owing each other huge sums, and a crash in which credit was frozen, threatening the auto industry as collateral damage.

There was no value to 'letting the auto industry fail' - only more destruction from the financial crash. The government could and did take steps to protect the industry.

In so doing, the auto industry and the many industries dependent on it were saved, and the economy greatly benefited by this.

'Conservatives' were wrong. Those who supported the policy to protect the industry from the financial industry disaster were right.

Industry wasn't entirely blameless - and government made management changes as part of the bailout plan, changes that worked.

'Conservatives' claimed this was the government trying to become the new owner of the auto industry, socializing it. Wrong again.

Romney said the bailout would basically guarantee the destruction of the auto industry. Wrong again.

Now he's trying to lie that what the government did is what he suggested. Typical of him, lying for votes.

Santorum was wrong also but I haven't heard his spin on why he got it wrong. Maybe he's more honest, but I doubt it.

This was about an attack on the unions, because they're the political enemies of Republicans who want to cut wages.
 
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TalonStrike said:
What is the world? Willard "Mitt" Romney says "Let Detroit go bankrupt" and the Repubs vote for him anyway? And the county where Detroit is located also voted for him? What? I don't know what is wrong with Repubs anymore. It seems like if a candidate went to a state, and said, "I hate all of you. I hope you all fail and burn in hell," that candidate would somehow win that state.
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Maybe the Talon Strike epic fail is in his thread title, when he should be asking why the GOP gave no better alternative to the voters in Michigan.

After all, current election laws does not put none of the above on the ballot, a slam dunk winner now in any GOP primary.
 
TalonStrike said:
What is the world? Willard "Mitt" Romney says "Let Detroit go bankrupt" and the Repubs vote for him anyway? And the county where Detroit is located also voted for him? What? I don't know what is wrong with Repubs anymore. It seems like if a candidate went to a state, and said, "I hate all of you. I hope you all fail and burn in hell," that candidate would somehow win that state.
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So Republicans, in a Republican primary, voted for a guy who took a popular conservative position against bailouts?

Why am I not shocked by this.
 
Craig234 said:
Conservatives are idiots if that's the case.

The under-regulation - something else 'conservatives' say they're for - of the financial industry allowed bad things to happen, resulting in a massive phony 'insurance' of all the institutions owing each other huge sums, and a crash in which credit was frozen, threatening the auto industry as collateral damage.
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Bailing the banks out financially was always a bad idea, and the financial industry was helped far more simply by adjusting the regulatory environment; for example, providing regulatory forebearance on "mark to market" rules that don't work in an environment where the market has frozen up thus not allowing price discovery. The firms that were insolvent even with the forebearance should have been liquidated - adding Bank of America and Citigroup to the list along with Washington Mutual, Wachovia, and others would have been better in the long run.

There was no value to 'letting the auto industry fail' - only more destruction from the financial crash. The government could and did take steps to protect the industry.
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The government "saved" two badly mismanaged firms, GM and Chrysler. Ford and other automakers are doing fine, and would have been doing better had they been able to seize more market share from the other two. GM would have been fine in a normal Chapter 11 bankruptcy restructuring, and Chrysler's death is simply being postponed via massive cash infusion from Washington DC.

In so doing, the auto industry and the many industries dependent on it were saved, and the economy greatly benefited by this.

'Conservatives' were wrong. Those who supported the policy to protect the industry from the financial industry disaster were right.
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All debatable. It's just as likely that in a normal bankruptcy, new and better ownership would have taken over GM and/or Chrysler and they'd be in better shape long-term. Instead, the same clueless wonders who ran them into the ground get more Uncle Sam dollars to throw into the bottomless pit of their incompetence.

Industry wasn't entirely blameless - and government made management changes as part of the bailout plan, changes that worked.

'Conservatives' claimed this was the government trying to become the new owner of the auto industry, socializing it. Wrong again.

Romney said the bailout would basically guarantee the destruction of the auto industry. Wrong again.

Now he's trying to lie that what the government did is what he suggested. Typical of him, lying for votes.

Santorum was wrong also but I haven't heard his spin on why he got it wrong. Maybe he's more honest, but I doubt it.

This was about an attack on the unions, because they're the political enemies of Republicans who want to cut wages.
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Unions are dying off despite Republicans, not because of them. And yes, I guess you can say Romney was wrong - if you give billions of tax dollars to crappy companies, they might not go out of business for a time. Thank God GM will be given the chance to develop the next wonder-car follow up to the GM Volt; maybe it will sell a few thousand copies and have the styling and appeal of the Pontiac Aztek.
 
TalonStrike said:
What is the world? Willard "Mitt" Romney says "Let Detroit go bankrupt" and the Repubs vote for him anyway? And the county where Detroit is located also voted for him? What? I don't know what is wrong with Repubs anymore. It seems like if a candidate went to a state, and said, "I hate all of you. I hope you all fail and burn in hell," that candidate would somehow win that state.
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Would Romney out spending everyone ten to one have something to do with it?
 
And for every American company that fails, there is a Romney and Bain Capital that can make a fortune while causing massive American unemployment.

Shame on Obama and dimocrats for persevering American jobs. And God knows, its a failed experiment as GM emerges as the number one world wide producers of automobiles. Lordie what a GOP tragedy and insult, all those GM jobs not on the unemployment line. re elect the GOP and they can cure that. Silly American rabbits, don't everyone know out sourcing American jobs over seas will lead to full American employment for only the very rich.
 
I don't really understand why people kept talking about Romney not supporting the auto bailouts, at least within the context of the primary.

Romney: against the bailout
Santorum: against the bailout
Ron Paul: against the bailout
Gingrich: bailout money should have been used for a lunar colony

against Obama in the general election is a different story, but that's not what voters were voting for on Tuesday.
 
GM is the world's #1 auto producer again....WITH union labor. LOL That must REALLY piss off the Repubs who kept harping on how the unions destroyed the auto industry. Well, right back at' chuh! 😛

The unions sacrified and gave concessions when they had to, and despite that, management kept scratching their heads trying desperately to jettison the unions without losing THEIR jobs, and their bonuses, and their corporate jets and their golden parachutes, etc. etc. etc. They were willing to let their companies go down the tubes to get rid of the unions and then the bailouts came which saved the unions with management left denied and in denial that their plan backfired. They saw their opportunity when the economy tanked, tried to capitalize on it and had it thrown back in their faces by the (as described by the Repubs) black commie socialist foreigner would-be dictator that's destroying (their?) our nation as (they?) we know it. 😀

So when things went bad, the unions got the blame. Now that that things are back on track, shouldn't the unions also get the credit? Don't work that way huh? LOL

As previously mentioned, not only were the union jobs saved, but thousands and thousands of non-union jobs related to the auto industry were saved, and they vote too.

I have no idea what party/pres. candidate will win in November, but it sure don't look too good for the Repubs in that state. And it doesn't really matter what Repub gets the nod, as they were all for letting the auto makers go under....just to get the unions ousted in one clean sweep.

Nice try. Next?
 
loki8481 said:
I don't really understand why people kept talking about Romney not supporting the auto bailouts, at least within the context of the primary.

Romney: against the bailout
Santorum: against the bailout
Ron Paul: against the bailout
Gingrich: bailout money should have been used for a lunar colony

against Obama in the general election is a different story, but that's not what voters were voting for on Tuesday.
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Three reasons:

1. Romney was by far the loudest against the bailouts, writing a national op-ed.

2. Romney's central campaign theme is that he has skills to fix the economy

3. Santorum is busy with things like saying JFK's separation of church and state makes him want to throw up.
 
monovillage said:
Detroit is an armpit because liberal Democrats made it that way, everyone knows this.
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Tru dat. A city under control of Democrats since 1962. 50 years, in case anyone wonders how long it takes.

On another note, an article, video or something other than words pulled out of thin air supposedly spoken by Romney would really conform more to the requirements of P&N. The OP has spun a yarn based on what?

Every major city in Michigan that has been under long term control of Democrats is under emergency management. Detroit it appears may soon follow. That, despite a mayor who shuns the limelight, has no controversy surrounding him, keeps his dick in his pants and doesn't think it's all about him. Which means that he's a 180 from Kwame. He was probably Detroit's best chance out of those willing to wade into the sewage.

Put Obama in for another four years and the nation may need to be under emergency management. Who will that be? The Chinese?
 
Why do you think OP that there is something wrong with people of Mich. Look at the Map . Rick carried the state in all areas . Except in the large populated areas were election fraud could be carried out. Romney winning the detroit area is a smoking gun . That just makes no sense . Ricky is in this think for one thing and one think only . To get Pauls votes threw election fraud . ND. and Alaska will be carried by Paul as the population is so small election fraud would been easily found . IF GOP somehow gets election fraud in these 2 states the Path of destruction across the USA will be like something out of your worse nightmare . So it was written so it shall be done.
 
Nemesis 1 said:
Why do you think OP that there is something wrong with people of Mich. Look at the Map . Rick carried the state in all areas . Except in the large populated areas were election fraud could be carried out. Romney winning the detroit area is a smoking gun . That just makes no sense . Ricky is in this think for one thing and one think only . To get Pauls votes threw election fraud . ND. and Alaska will be carried by Paul as the population is so small election fraud would been easily found . IF GOP somehow gets election fraud in these 2 states the Path of destruction across the USA will be like something out of your worse nightmare . So it was written so it shall be done.
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I want to know what it's like to live in your head.
 
tweaker2 said:
GM is the world's #1 auto producer again....WITH union labor. LOL That must REALLY piss off the Repubs who kept harping on how the unions destroyed the auto industry. Well, right back at' chuh! 😛

The unions sacrified and gave concessions when they had to, and despite that, management kept scratching their heads trying desperately to jettison the unions without losing THEIR jobs, and their bonuses, and their corporate jets and their golden parachutes, etc. etc. etc. They were willing to let their companies go down the tubes to get rid of the unions and then the bailouts came which saved the unions with management left denied and in denial that their plan backfired. They saw their opportunity when the economy tanked, tried to capitalize on it and had it thrown back in their faces by the (as described by the Repubs) black commie socialist foreigner would-be dictator that's destroying (their?) our nation as (they?) we know it. 😀

So when things went bad, the unions got the blame. Now that that things are back on track, shouldn't the unions also get the credit? Don't work that way huh? LOL

As previously mentioned, not only were the union jobs saved, but thousands and thousands of non-union jobs related to the auto industry were saved, and they vote too.

I have no idea what party/pres. candidate will win in November, but it sure don't look too good for the Repubs in that state. And it doesn't really matter what Repub gets the nod, as they were all for letting the auto makers go under....just to get the unions ousted in one clean sweep.

Nice try. Next?
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It's good to see someone recogonize the auto bailouts for what they were - a bailout of the UAW (and to a lesser extent white collar management), not GM or Chrysler as a whole.

Even if GM or Chrysler had gone into liquidation their factories, tooling, IP, and skilled labor (i.e. engineers, skilled trades) wouldn't have disappeared. They would have moved on to someone who could have managed them properly. It's really the unskilled labor (assembly line workers, managers) that would have been out on their rear, and that's who was bailed out.
 
TalonStrike said:
What is the world? Willard "Mitt" Romney says "Let Detroit go bankrupt" and the Repubs vote for him anyway? And the county where Detroit is located also voted for him? What? I don't know what is wrong with Repubs anymore. It seems like if a candidate went to a state, and said, "I hate all of you. I hope you all fail and burn in hell," that candidate would somehow win that state.
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Are you trying to say Santorum is better somehow? Michigan is also considered Mitt's home state. Furthermore Detroit is not the only part of Michigan
 
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