What's wrong with sex ed?

[sandorski]

My first Sex Ed class was when I was in Grade 4. I was 9/10ish at the time. The class was basically focussed on the Biology of it all, the varying parts, what they did, etc. I don't recall any Birth Control discussion(was way back in the mid-70's), but I think STDs were discussed.


I can attest that none of us kids ran out of class and started having sex. We were all somewhat uncomfortable learning about it, somewhat curious at the same time, but we didn't get our horn-on because of it. At that time in my life I was attracted to girls and kissing one would have been the realization of a dream, but the thought of getting naked with one was the most distant thing from my mind. In fact, even after taking Sex-Ed it seemed odd that anyone would actually want to do that.

A few years later(Grade 7) I had another Sex-Ed class. Though the subject matter was essentially the same, it was viewed quite a bit differently. This time most of us had reached an age where Sexual Instinct was begining kick in and we were all(pretty much) quite aware of the growing desire to have Sex. Even so, after the class ended, we didn't all rush out and start having Sex.

The idea that Sex-Ed corrupts children or encourages them to have Sex is utter BS. As someone trying to speak against Sex-Ed said, Sex is Instinctual. If you let children follow their Instinct without Education on the subject they're still going to have Sex, they'll just do it not knowing the potential consequences of it. Raising children that way is just plain Stupid.

 

[TGS]

Originally posted by: zendari

Originally posted by: shira

Originally posted by: zendari
The problems aren't caused by lack of education. They are caused by these individuals who make their lifestyle choices.

People's choices are limited by their knowledge. If you deprive children of useful knowledge, you are guaranteeing that they will make unwise choices.

It's not our responsibility to provide such knowledge.

So now you are against teaching your children, and against state or federal teaching as well? So when your son or daughter comes home with the news, how will that work out at the Zendari house hold?


edit:

To your edit,

There is no guarantee of unwise choice. Kids are told not to do drugs and have sex and certainly have the option of choosing what they are told.

What exactly will you be teaching your children? You don't want to impart knowledge firsthand, and you do not want schools to teach the subject. Is it hope that kids will be too wrapped up in math and science to have time to engage in sex?

 

[EatSpam]

Originally posted by: BlancoNino
Too expensive to teach it at school and do a good job at it. I say leave it for the parents. We figured out what sex was before they taught it in school.

Parents? Wow. Most kids would get the standard 3 word parental sex ed lecture. "Don't do it." Some kids might get the "If you come home pregnant/get a girl pregnant, I'm breaking your legs."

Face it, most parents don't want to even think about their kids getting lucky, let alone talk to them about it, in any context. Most parents I know say, "Don't they teach that in school?", as if they are relieved to be free of the responsibility.

Although the "abstinence ed" religion crap the fundies are pushing is just as bad as the 3 word sex ed lecture.

 

[RightIsWrong]

Originally posted by: zendari

Originally posted by: shira

Originally posted by: zendari
The problems aren't caused by lack of education. They are caused by these individuals who make their lifestyle choices.

People's choices are limited by their knowledge. If you deprive children of useful knowledge, you are guaranteeing that they will make unwise choices.

It's not our responsibility to provide such knowledge.

There is no guarantee of unwise choice. Kids are told not to do drugs and have sex and certainly have the option of choosing what they are told.

That (the bolded statement) might just be the stupidest, most ignorant thing that you have ever said. And that is saying something.

 

[EatSpam]

Originally posted by: zendari
Lack of funding. Property taxes are high enough as it is.

You shouldnt be screwing other people if you cant figure out how to put a condom on your dick.

Cheaper than the state paying for unwanted kids?

 

[EatSpam]

Originally posted by: zendari
The cost isn't just money, its time. How much farther behind india and china must we fall in math and science?

Yet you guys want to teach Intelligent Design and Christianity in school.

 

[zendari]

Originally posted by: TGS

What exactly will you be teaching your children? You don't want to impart knowledge firsthand, and you do not want schools to teach the subject. Is it hope that kids will be too wrapped up in math and science to have time to engage in sex?

I don't have any children; by the time I do I'll have a proper method of telling them what they need to know myself.

 

[TGS]

Originally posted by: zendari

Originally posted by: TGS

What exactly will you be teaching your children? You don't want to impart knowledge firsthand, and you do not want schools to teach the subject. Is it hope that kids will be too wrapped up in math and science to have time to engage in sex?

I don't have any children; by the time I do I'll have a proper method of telling them what they need to know myself.

So it would be *your* responsibility to teach them now? I mean it is page 5 and all, but a few responses ago I swore I saw someone say...

Originally posted by: zendari


It's not our responsibility to provide such knowledge.

Edit: I'm always glad those without children, are always coming up with great solutions for those with children.

 

[EatSpam]

Originally posted by: zendari

Originally posted by: TGS

What exactly will you be teaching your children? You don't want to impart knowledge firsthand, and you do not want schools to teach the subject. Is it hope that kids will be too wrapped up in math and science to have time to engage in sex?

I don't have any children; by the time I do I'll have a proper method of telling them what they need to know myself.

Then you're unusual for an American parent.

 

[zendari]

Originally posted by: TGS

Originally posted by: zendari

Originally posted by: TGS

What exactly will you be teaching your children? You don't want to impart knowledge firsthand, and you do not want schools to teach the subject. Is it hope that kids will be too wrapped up in math and science to have time to engage in sex?

I don't have any children; by the time I do I'll have a proper method of telling them what they need to know myself.

So it would be *your* responsibility to teach them now? I mean it is page 5 and all, but a few responses ago I swore I saw someone say...

Originally posted by: zendari


It's not our responsibility to provide such knowledge.

"Our" was referring to the schooling system and the state.

If you don't want my solution, kindly return my tax dollars. With interest.

 

[TGS]

Originally posted by: zendari

Originally posted by: TGS

Originally posted by: zendari

Originally posted by: TGS

What exactly will you be teaching your children? You don't want to impart knowledge firsthand, and you do not want schools to teach the subject. Is it hope that kids will be too wrapped up in math and science to have time to engage in sex?

I don't have any children; by the time I do I'll have a proper method of telling them what they need to know myself.

So it would be *your* responsibility to teach them now? I mean it is page 5 and all, but a few responses ago I swore I saw someone say...

Originally posted by: zendari


It's not our responsibility to provide such knowledge.

"Our" was referring to the schooling system and the state.

So you won't be involved in your childs school related activities? Why do you entrust a school to teach a child with math and science, but not sexual education?

If you don't want my solution, kindly return my tax dollars. With interest.

Actually my good chum, those are my tax dollars as well. That's why it's a societal issue, not a Zendari issue.

 

[zendari]

Originally posted by: TGS

So you won't be involved in your childs school related activities? Why do you entrust a school to teach a child with math and science, but not sexual education?

The purpose of schooling is to teach math and science and the critical thinking ability that comes with the the two and related subjects.

Becaues its a societal issue, ill feel free to comment whether I have kids or not. Thanks.

 

[TGS]

Originally posted by: zendari

Originally posted by: TGS

So you won't be involved in your childs school related activities? Why do you entrust a school to teach a child with math and science, but not sexual education?

The purpose of schooling is to teach math and science and the critical thinking ability that comes with the the two and related subjects.

Becaues its a societal issue, ill feel free to comment whether I have kids or not. Thanks.

No, strangely enough I've had these apparently ridiculous classes on humanities, history, and economics. I'll do you one better, [Link] If you can find where it states school is only for math and science, I'll give you a big fresh cookie.

edit:

To your edit,

Being such, I would weigh the opinions of an actual parent far greater than those without.

Edit2:

The reason why I brought that up zendari, is by eliminating the opportunity of school based education you have already voided *my* type of opinion away. I on the other hand would leave it up to the individual parents to decide what is best for thier children. Though in my thinking, the school should be a failsafe for those parents not who themselves are not educated enough to properly teach their children. Once again we feel confortable to have other teach these *very* (non sarcastically, mind you) important subjects such as math, science, and literature. Why would we omit sexual education, as a voluntary subject.

 

[GeNome]

Your link is broken, TGS.

I think the trouble we're having is that Zendari and Blanco truly believe that parents will talk to their kids about sex and everything that goes with it. Speaking on behalf of myself and everyone I know, I can say for a fact that this is far from the truth. It's sad, yes, but true. So if you have some kind of evidence that supports what you're saying, please let us know.

Edit: TGS makes a good point in pointing out that a lot of parents don't even have all the information neseccary to teach/talk about the subject. Which isn't really any better then not talking about it at all. If the parent does know everything there is to know about it, sure, that's fine. We're just saying that that's not the case for a majority of parents out there.

 

[Red Dawn]

Originally posted by: zendari

Originally posted by: TGS

What exactly will you be teaching your children? You don't want to impart knowledge firsthand, and you do not want schools to teach the subject. Is it hope that kids will be too wrapped up in math and science to have time to engage in sex?

I don't have any children; by the time I do I'll have a proper method of telling them what they need to know myself.

What makes you think you'll do any better than your parents?

 

[zendari]

Originally posted by: Red Dawn

Originally posted by: zendari

Originally posted by: TGS

What exactly will you be teaching your children? You don't want to impart knowledge firsthand, and you do not want schools to teach the subject. Is it hope that kids will be too wrapped up in math and science to have time to engage in sex?

I don't have any children; by the time I do I'll have a proper method of telling them what they need to know myself.

What makes you think you'll do any better than your parents?

I probably won't. Your generation spoiled mine growing up; its difficult to combat the sense of entitlement that comes with that.

My younger sister is 16 and whining that she doesnt have a new car.

 

[TGS]

Originally posted by: zendari

Originally posted by: Red Dawn

Originally posted by: zendari

Originally posted by: TGS

What exactly will you be teaching your children? You don't want to impart knowledge firsthand, and you do not want schools to teach the subject. Is it hope that kids will be too wrapped up in math and science to have time to engage in sex?

I don't have any children; by the time I do I'll have a proper method of telling them what they need to know myself.

What makes you think you'll do any better than your parents?

I probably won't. Your generation spoiled mine growing up; its difficult to combat the sense of entitlement that comes with that.

My younger sister is 16 and whining that she doesnt have a new car.

edit
I know the quotes directed at red dawn, but...
/edit

I'm 24... I think that would put me in your generation? I've worked hard to get where I am, on a high school education. I make almost a 6 figure income, already own my house, two cars, I have a wife and two kids. There's no sense of entitlement here, sorry. Only the fact that a well rounded education willl undoubtedly make for smarter decision making down the road.

 

[dmcowen674]

Originally posted by: zendari

Originally posted by: Red Dawn

Originally posted by: zendari

Originally posted by: TGS

What exactly will you be teaching your children? You don't want to impart knowledge firsthand, and you do not want schools to teach the subject. Is it hope that kids will be too wrapped up in math and science to have time to engage in sex?

I don't have any children; by the time I do I'll have a proper method of telling them what they need to know myself.

What makes you think you'll do any better than your parents?

I probably won't. Your generation spoiled mine growing up; its difficult to combat the sense of entitlement that comes with that.

My younger sister is 16 and whining that she doesnt have a new car.

We know where she get's it from.

 

[ericlp]

Why we don't have good sex ed in our class rooms?

We hide from it. Remember when Janet Jackson's boob shot at the super bowl? I didn't see it, but supposedly the TVIO was the biggest jump in rewind history.

Anyway, in this Sick Christian nation? With a born again prez? He is yanking the carpet out from under these programs.

We can't have sex ed or condom machines in schools anymore hell that's like giving the keys to the car errr (sex)....

 

[Skanderberg]

What's wrong with sex ed?

There needs to be more practical, hands-on instruction.

"Demonstrator post!"

 

[Red Dawn]

Originally posted by: BlancoNino

Originally posted by: shira

Originally posted by: zendari
Lack of funding. Property taxes are high enough as it is.

You shouldnt be screwing other people if you cant figure out how to put a condom on your dick.

Oh, I see. Kids are supposed to know about sex by osmosis. No teaching required.

Let's use that approach for English, math, the sciences, history, and all the other subjects. too. We could cut our school budgets to zero.

Sex is an instinct. How did man first know what to do with the junk between his legs without a public school teacher?

Also, knowledge on sex doesn't really relate to any job professions. Unless you become a prostitute.

Obviously you could have benefited from Sex Ed.

 

[TGS]

Originally posted by: Red Dawn

Originally posted by: BlancoNino

Originally posted by: shira

Originally posted by: zendari
Lack of funding. Property taxes are high enough as it is.

You shouldnt be screwing other people if you cant figure out how to put a condom on your dick.

Oh, I see. Kids are supposed to know about sex by osmosis. No teaching required.

Let's use that approach for English, math, the sciences, history, and all the other subjects. too. We could cut our school budgets to zero.

Sex is an instinct. How did man first know what to do with the junk between his legs without a public school teacher?

Also, knowledge on sex doesn't really relate to any job professions. Unless you become a prostitute.

Obviously you could have benefited from Sex Ed.

Ouch...

Edit: For the record, how old are you and why are you sleeping with a 16 year old...yet you are calling her a whore? Though once again, you've been with *tons* of women...(girls?). There seems to be a huge disconnect in your opinions on sex ed, and what you are practicing in your sexual relationships.

 

[zendari]

Originally posted by: TGS

Originally posted by: zendari

Originally posted by: Red Dawn

Originally posted by: zendari

Originally posted by: TGS

What exactly will you be teaching your children? You don't want to impart knowledge firsthand, and you do not want schools to teach the subject. Is it hope that kids will be too wrapped up in math and science to have time to engage in sex?

I don't have any children; by the time I do I'll have a proper method of telling them what they need to know myself.

What makes you think you'll do any better than your parents?

I probably won't. Your generation spoiled mine growing up; its difficult to combat the sense of entitlement that comes with that.

My younger sister is 16 and whining that she doesnt have a new car.

edit
I know the quotes directed at red dawn, but...
/edit

I'm 24... I think that would put me in your generation? I've worked hard to get where I am, on a high school education. I make almost a 6 figure income, already own my house, two cars, I have a wife and two kids. There's no sense of entitlement here, sorry. Only the fact that a well rounded education willl undoubtedly make for smarter decision making down the road.

That makes you rather unique for our generation.