What's wrong with sex ed?

[piasabird]

Sex should not be a normal part of a 14 year old's life unless it is self induced.

As soon as you learn how sex works, wouldnt it be natural to try it?

Curiosity killed the cat!

There have been other countries or states or locations where they probably tried this. So there must be some study showing sex survey results either decreased or increased after the education was implemented. You got a study showing anything good as a result of sex education?

 

[BlancoNino]

Originally posted by: Red Dawn
Translation; I've never had sex and probably never will.

I've been with a TON of girls! And without the use of government-subsidized birth control methods...IMAGINE THAT! I have a brain on my shoulders...and I didn't need sex eds help either. I'm clean as a whistle and am nothing more than an Uncle (My sister and her husband just had their first kid a few days ago).

 

[GeNome]

Originally posted by: BlancoNino

Originally posted by: GeNome
Blanco, you're completely missing all our points. Of course sex is instinctual, otherwise we wouldn't be here. Knowlege about sex, on the other hand, is not. People aren't born knowing how to use provention methods. It's something that has to be taught.

As for your other claim..WTF does that have to do with any of it? O.0

I'm saying kids go to school to learn about things that they will need for their future careers. Sex ed, DARE, etc...those things have no place in schools.

Uh..yeah. What about all the people that don't have a career because of an unwanted pregnancy? I just don't see where you're coming from. How is teaching sex ed bad?

Edit: Wait, wait..common sense, right? Well duh! Of course it should be obvious to everybody how to use a condom, or a diaphragm, or whatever.

Welcome to the minority.

 

[BlancoNino]

Originally posted by: piasabird
Sex should not be a normal part of a 14 year old's life unless it is self induced.

As soon as you learn how sex works, wouldnt it be natural to try it?

Curiosity killed the cat!

D.A.R.E. Anyone?

 

[Red Dawn]

Originally posted by: BlancoNino

Originally posted by: GeNome
Blanco, you're completely missing all our points. Of course sex is instinctual, otherwise we wouldn't be here. Knowlege about sex, on the other hand, is not. People aren't born knowing how to use provention methods. It's something that has to be taught.

As for your other claim..WTF does that have to do with any of it? O.0

I'm saying kids go to school to learn about things that they will need for their future careers. Sex ed, DARE, etc...those things have no place in schools.

Yes it does, it's called life skills. It's too important to trust withtoday's parents

 

[BlancoNino]

Originally posted by: GeNome
Uh..yeah. What about all the people that don't have a career because of an unwanted pregnancy? I just don't see where you're coming from. How is teaching sex ed bad?

What about all the people that don't have a career because they're in jail? Should we dedicate classes why we shouldn't rob a convenience store? Then maybe convenience store robberies will drop by 5% while our science and math scores drop another 10%.

 

[piasabird]

At what age do you propose we teach youngsters about sex and what should be taught at what age other than not to have sex.

 

[BlancoNino]

Originally posted by: Red Dawn

Originally posted by: BlancoNino

Originally posted by: GeNome
Blanco, you're completely missing all our points. Of course sex is instinctual, otherwise we wouldn't be here. Knowlege about sex, on the other hand, is not. People aren't born knowing how to use provention methods. It's something that has to be taught.

As for your other claim..WTF does that have to do with any of it? O.0

I'm saying kids go to school to learn about things that they will need for their future careers. Sex ed, DARE, etc...those things have no place in schools.

Yes it does, it's called life skills. It's too important to trust withtoday's parents

Because you think parents are idiots? Idiot proofing by forcing children to learn them in schools? Remember...make something idiot-proof, and someone will make a better idiot.

 

[piasabird]

So who approves this curriculum?

Honestly, my daughter learned more watching PBS and Nature Shows.

One Spring on a farm and you can learn all you need to know!!!

 

[GeNome]

Originally posted by: piasabird
At what age do you propose we teach youngsters about sex and what should be taught at what age other than not to have sex.

Like I said in my first post, it should be required to graduate middle school. Kids are old enough by then to know about it. For that matter, how many kids that age don't already know about it? Pr0n isn't that hard to come by.

Blanco: Robbery and sex ed are totally unrelated things. Except that a lot of robberies are commited by children that were had because of unsafe sex.

 

[piasabird]

By some people's thoughts we should have a gun range at school and teach kids how to handle firearms.

Middle School is like Jr High?? 7th Grade.

 

[TGS]

Originally posted by: BlancoNino

Originally posted by: Red Dawn
Translation; I've never had sex and probably never will.

I've been with a TON of girls! And without the use of government-subsidized birth control methods...IMAGINE THAT! I have a brain on my shoulders...and I didn't need sex eds help either. I'm clean as a whistle and am nothing more than an Uncle (My sister and her husband just had their first kid a few days ago).

I find it humurous that you point at kids for being whores...yet you even go to the length of placing emphasis on the *TON* of women you've been with. *Flex...flex...flex* The studs been with *tons* of women * flex...flex...flex* Sigh...

I've been with a single women. The women I would later marry and have children with. Sappy? Perhaps. Typically behavior...? Not likely. Did we use protection until we wanted to have children? Yes, but I believe a great deal of the emphasis was placed on us in school to be "Smart" about how we engaged in sex.

Originally posted by: BlancoNino

Originally posted by: piasabird
Sex should not be a normal part of a 14 year old's life unless it is self induced.

As soon as you learn how sex works, wouldnt it be natural to try it?

Curiosity killed the cat!

D.A.R.E. Anyone?

The parallel to dare would be similiar to an abstinence only class. Both would be colossal failures. Society puts a blanket taboo on "illegal" drug use, so people have no options on how to use drugs responsibly.


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Originally posted by: BlancoNino

Originally posted by: piasabird
At what age do you propose we teach youngsters about sex and what should be taught at what age other than not to have sex.

This is a great question, because all kids come from different environments, situations, and have different personalities. A girl at age 14 might really need to know about sex, whereas a girl at 16 might be too timid to have ever been in a situation. Therefore, if we teach them all at the exact same time and age...it's only going to influence a select few who are interested in it. Parents can be the deciding factor...for they can see the changes coming about in their children (who they are hanging around with...what they are wearing, etc). Besides, there is quite an incentive for parents to talk to their kids...and that is because if their underage daughter has a baby...they will have to take care of it.

Frankly I would like to see that schools push it at an earlier age, and middle school sounds like the age at which kids are open to experimenting with sex. If the school is going to push the issue, then perhaps the parents will open discussion channels with the child on these type of subjects. You jump to the conclusion that all parents are responsible enough to approach these subjects with their children before a school has the time.

 

[BlancoNino]

Originally posted by: piasabird
At what age do you propose we teach youngsters about sex and what should be taught at what age other than not to have sex.

This is a great question, because all kids come from different environments, situations, and have different personalities. A girl at age 14 might really need to know about sex, whereas a girl at 16 might be too timid to have ever been in a situation. Therefore, if we teach them all at the exact same time and age...it's only going to influence a select few who are interested in it. Parents can be the deciding factor...for they can see the changes coming about in their children (who they are hanging around with...what they are wearing, etc). Besides, there is quite an incentive for parents to talk to their kids...and that is because if their underage daughter has a baby...they will have to take care of it.

 

[LumbergTech]

Originally posted by: TGS

Originally posted by: BlancoNino

Originally posted by: Red Dawn
Translation; I've never had sex and probably never will.

I've been with a TON of girls! And without the use of government-subsidized birth control methods...IMAGINE THAT! I have a brain on my shoulders...and I didn't need sex eds help either. I'm clean as a whistle and am nothing more than an Uncle (My sister and her husband just had their first kid a few days ago).

I find it humurous that you point at kids for being whores...yet you even go to the length of placing emphasis on the *TON* of women you've been with. *Flex...flex...flex* The studs been with *tons* of women * flex...flex...flex* Sigh...

I've been with a single women. The women I would later marry and have children with. Sappy? Perhaps. Typically behavior...? Not likely. Did we use protection until we wanted to have children? Yes, but I believe a great deal of the emphasis was placed on us in school to be "Smart" about how we engaged in sex.

Originally posted by: BlancoNino

Originally posted by: piasabird
Sex should not be a normal part of a 14 year old's life unless it is self induced.

As soon as you learn how sex works, wouldnt it be natural to try it?

Curiosity killed the cat!

D.A.R.E. Anyone?

The parallel to dare would be similiar to an abstinence only class. Both would be collasal failures. Society puts a blanket taboo on "illegal" drug use, so people have no options on how to use drugs responsibly.

exactly, people are going to do certain things and its much better to prevent some horrible situation than to try to preach to them

 

[Red Dawn]

Originally posted by: BlancoNino

Originally posted by: Red Dawn

Originally posted by: BlancoNino

Originally posted by: GeNome
Blanco, you're completely missing all our points. Of course sex is instinctual, otherwise we wouldn't be here. Knowlege about sex, on the other hand, is not. People aren't born knowing how to use provention methods. It's something that has to be taught.

As for your other claim..WTF does that have to do with any of it? O.0

I'm saying kids go to school to learn about things that they will need for their future careers. Sex ed, DARE, etc...those things have no place in schools.

Yes it does, it's called life skills. It's too important to trust withtoday's parents

Because you think parents are idiots? Idiot proofing by forcing children to learn them in schools? Remember...make something idiot-proof, and someone will make a better idiot.

As you demonstrate so well.

 

[BlancoNino]

Originally posted by: GeNome

Originally posted by: piasabird
At what age do you propose we teach youngsters about sex and what should be taught at what age other than not to have sex.

Like I said in my first post, it should be required to graduate middle school. Kids are old enough by then to know about it. For that matter, how many kids that age don't already know about it? Pr0n isn't that hard to come by.

Blanco: Robbery and sex ed are totally unrelated things. Except that a lot of robberies are commited by children that were had because of unsafe sex.

LOL. Aren't most of us created by people who had unsafe sex?

 

[zendari]

Originally posted by: TGS
The parallel to dare would be similiar to an abstinence only class. Both would be colossal failures. Society puts a blanket taboo on "illegal" drug use, so people have no options on how to use drugs responsibly.

Then they can suffer the consequences of illegal drug use.

 

[Red Dawn]

Originally posted by: BlancoNino

Originally posted by: GeNome

Originally posted by: piasabird
At what age do you propose we teach youngsters about sex and what should be taught at what age other than not to have sex.

Like I said in my first post, it should be required to graduate middle school. Kids are old enough by then to know about it. For that matter, how many kids that age don't already know about it? Pr0n isn't that hard to come by.

Blanco: Robbery and sex ed are totally unrelated things. Except that a lot of robberies are commited by children that were had because of unsafe sex.

LOL. Aren't most of us created by people who had unsafe sex?

No.

 

[RightIsWrong]

Originally posted by: BlancoNino

Originally posted by: piasabird
Sex should not be a normal part of a 14 year old's life unless it is self induced.

As soon as you learn how sex works, wouldnt it be natural to try it?

Curiosity killed the cat!

D.A.R.E. Anyone?

Do you have any idea how stupid your arguments are at times? My daughter learned how to wash dishes. Do you think that, because she learned how, that she is immediately volunteering to do them or sneaking around behind our backs and scrubbing away?

Does she want to do the same thing because she "learned how it works"? Not a chance.

You ASSume that, just because your natural instincts and inclinations are to try anything and everything that you learn that everyone else shares the same lack of self control. Think again.

 

[GeNome]

Originally posted by: BlancoNino

Originally posted by: piasabird
At what age do you propose we teach youngsters about sex and what should be taught at what age other than not to have sex.

This is a great question, because all kids come from different environments, situations, and have different personalities. A girl at age 14 might really need to know about sex, whereas a girl at 16 might be too timid to have ever been in a situation. Therefore, if we teach them all at the exact same time and age...it's only going to influence a select few who are interested in it. Parents can be the deciding factor...for they can see the changes coming about in their children (who they are hanging around with...what they are wearing, etc). Besides, there is quite an incentive for parents to talk to their kids...and that is because if their underage daughter has a baby...they will have to take care of it.

Ah, I see now. You're putting way to much confidence to parents, trust me. Most, no, all of the kids I know have done or seen something that their parents don't know about. Not anything as drastic as sex, but other things. At the age kids will be needing information is the same age that the parents turn into "enemies", if you will. Or have you forgotten?

 

[BlancoNino]

You guys are missing my point. It's 100 times better for children to learn about drugs, sex, anything like that from their parents. If we keep teaching it in schools, then that's just one more step toward parents feeling like they don't have to do a damned thing...hence the better idiots coming along.

 

[piasabird]

Actually some preagnant kids may just be kicked out of the house, and No the parents are not responsible for their children's children. If that were the case maybe they would not be out running wild or on dates before they were 16 to begin with. There are always parents who let their kids run wild who arent mature enough to take care of their own lives much less their children or their children's children.

 

[BlancoNino]

Originally posted by: RightIsWrong

Do you have any idea how stupid your arguments are at times? My daughter learned how to wash dishes. Do you think that, because she learned how, that she is immediately volunteering to do them or sneaking around behind our backs and scrubbing away?

Does she want to do the same thing because she "learned how it works"? Not a chance.

You ASSume that, just because your natural instincts and inclinations are to try anything and everything that you learn that everyone else shares the same lack of self control. Think again.

Um I do believe that it was proven that D.A.R.E students showed an increased percentage of drug use...now we don't have it here anymore because of that reason.

 

[BlancoNino]

Originally posted by: GeNome
Ah, I see now. You're putting way to much confidence to parents, trust me. Most, no, all of the kids I know have done or seen something that their parents don't know about. Not anything as drastic as sex, but other things. At the age kids will be needing information is the same age that the parents turn into "enemies", if you will. Or have you forgotten?

And the schools and teachers aren't kids' enemies? Teens tend to hate school and their teachers.

You're putting way too much confidence into public schools.

 

[Strk]

Originally posted by: GeNome

Originally posted by: BlancoNino

Originally posted by: piasabird
At what age do you propose we teach youngsters about sex and what should be taught at what age other than not to have sex.

This is a great question, because all kids come from different environments, situations, and have different personalities. A girl at age 14 might really need to know about sex, whereas a girl at 16 might be too timid to have ever been in a situation. Therefore, if we teach them all at the exact same time and age...it's only going to influence a select few who are interested in it. Parents can be the deciding factor...for they can see the changes coming about in their children (who they are hanging around with...what they are wearing, etc). Besides, there is quite an incentive for parents to talk to their kids...and that is because if their underage daughter has a baby...they will have to take care of it.

Ah, I see now. You're putting way to much confidence to parents, trust me. Most, no, all of the kids I know have done or seen something that their parents don't know about. Not anything as drastic as sex, but other things. At the age kids will be needing information is the same age that the parents turn into "enemies", if you will. Or have you forgotten?

Hell, if they have older brothers, odds are many have seen porn. And seriously, why do some argue "if they are taught about it, they will want to do it" comes from? They already want to do it, or do some people forget what it was like when they were 13 or 14? At that point, if you're male, odds are you're relieving yourself on a regular basis.