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JulesMaximus

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Originally posted by: GalvanizedYankee
Originally posted by: Amused
Originally posted by: mercanucaribe
If you want an American bike, buy an Indian. Then you won't have the crappy engineering and overmerchandising-weekend-warrior-yuppie stigma.

No, you'll just be buying from a company that's gone under not once, not twice, but three times.

No support, rare parts and no dealers.

Yeah, there's a good idea.

Finally, there are no Indians in his price range.

And you gave this horrible advice all because you have this irrational hatred of Harley.

You could have at least suggested Victory... At least they are still in business.

For those of us that know or care...The real Indian Co. went out of business in 1954=FACT.
Amused, I stand by my reasons for disliking The Motor Co. ;) Here in downtown Long Beach, Ca. signs have been posted warning of ticketing for loud pipes. People are fed up with loud pipes saving lives. The way I figure it, straight piped Harleys have saved the world population several times over. We are tired of being saved. :p

Mosh, over 50% of what represents a HD motorcycle is NOT made in the USA. ;) Owning a Harley does NOT make one a better patriot...or does it. HD riders are just posers for the most part. Real riders dream of http://www.ironbutt.com/

OP, Sporties are for physically small people and can not be riden in comfort two up.

Avoid all 4 speed Sportsters because thier trannies WILL go bad.


...Galvanized

So, if I buy a Harley I'm just a poser but if I buy an Indian I'm somehow not a poser even though my motivation is exactly the same? :confused:

The new Sportster is a 5spd, fuel injected and the Custom model has a 4.5 gallon tank and forward controls (the standard model I felt too cramped on the foot controls).

The bike was not loud at all either and I have no desire to change the pipes or grow a beard or long hair or start drinking beer and develop a beer gut. I'm 5'11" and in very good shape. In fact, I rode 100 miles on a bicycle (yes, all in one day) a few weeks ago.
 

Maxspeed996

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I'll pipe back in about now I guess. I'm 30 years old and live in the midwest. I've been on bikes most of my life. My father has been drag racing since before I was born , and has very good friends that that race in the GP races. So I've seen both sides of the street. I've been on sportbikes (Honda's) growing up. Nothing like the performance.
I've watched my dad win 6 championships growing up , and seen all the biker world has to offer. I also watched my dad 3 years ago settle down to build his own Harley. and started with nothing but a frame and built his own. Something I would reccomend anyone with a decent head for mechanics for what it will teach you about your bike.
Up until 4 years ago I rode with a group of Sportbike stunt riders in my city , known as TiltedVisions. They were the guys that some people talk smack about for what they did. Stuntriding on motorcycles. The problem is , the practice that was done , and the stuntriding that was done , was all done at race tracks , and a closed airstrip outside of town. Controlled situations. The rest of the young guys , that would see the video's that were for sale at the local bike shops all tried to emulate this on the street. The idiots you see cutting you off on the street in a wheelie , or busting out stoppies at red lights/stop signs. This developed a really bad attitude with the local police force , when if they would have had their facts straight , would have know that we were advocating safe responsible riding practices to all riders. All members were licensed and insured , and wore the protective gear necessary to keep safe.
Until I saw one of our own killed in an accident..Timothy Alberton 6-23-03 he was 20 years old , and out trying to race while in a large group. I've never seen a more diverse group of riders come together to show support. Over 700 bikes at his funeral ....the police escorted us across town from the bike shop he worked at , to the funeral home , and to his final resting place , over 2 miles of bikes alone. That's when I stopped caring about who rode what. Everyone who really RIDES , rides for fun , because they enjoy it. There are buttheads with attitudes out there sure. But for the most part , what you ride , be it the stereotypical "japanese" sportbike , or the "american muscle" Harley - Victory - Indian...what have you....you'll find a good group of people too.
Galvanized is right....stay away from the small tranny 4-speeds...you'll not see many of these anymore however. The smallest you really see anymore is going to be a 5 speed...
sportbikes 6 speed.....take your time , and really do your homework and make sure you know you are getting what you REALLY want. That will make all the difference in the world.
 

JulesMaximus

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Originally posted by: Maxspeed996take your time , and really do your homework and make sure you know you are getting what you REALLY want. That will make all the difference in the world.

See, that's what I've been doing. I've checked out and ridden dozens of bikes from used and new cruisers to nakeds to touring bikes. I'm set on the Harley. I like the simplicity of the design and the V-twin rumble. There's just something about a V-twin that I'm drawn to.

I haven't been riding for many years but I do know what I want. I also know what I don't want and that's a big heavy bike (over 600lbs). The 2007 Sportster XL1200C is perfect for me.

Sorry to hear about your friend.
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GalvanizedYankee

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Jules, since 1954 a new Indian motorcycle could not be had, only a used or restored bike could be bought. I have posted this fact more than once ;)

It is a fact that feet forward controlls offer less stability and control over a bike than controlls near it's center of gravity. I rode with a guy that had a bobbed Pan with FF controls, he had a second set of ridged pegs near the cg ;) He would get on those and stand up a bit when heading for a big bump :D WORKS.!
The spine takes a real beating when riding feet forward.

A for real non-poser http://www.amazon.com/Riding-Edge-Dave-Barr/dp/1879854112
I saw his bike, heard him give a 3.5 hour presentation and then read the book. :thumbsup:

Good luck with the Sportie...I'd buy a Ducati Monster instead :p


...Galvanized
 

JulesMaximus

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Originally posted by: GalvanizedYankee
Jules, since 1954 a new Indian motorcycle could not be had, only a used or restored bike could be bought. I have posted this fact more than once ;)

It is a fact that feet forward controlls offer less stability and control over a bike than controlls near it's center of gravity. I rode with a guy that had a bobbed Pan with FF controls, he had a second set of ridged pegs near the cg ;) He would get on those and stand up a bit when heading for a big bump :D WORKS.!
The spine takes a real beating when riding feet forward.

A for real non-poser http://www.amazon.com/Riding-Edge-Dave-Barr/dp/1879854112
I saw his bike, heard him give a 3.5 hour presentation and then read the book. :thumbsup:

Good luck with the Sportie...I'd buy a Ducati Monster instead :p


...Galvanized

I'm not riding long distances at a time on this bike. I'll be riding it to work and on weekends but that's about it...at least to start with. :D

The roads aren't bad around here. I ride a very rigid road racing bicycle to and from work now. A Harley will be like riding a lounge chair in comparison.

Edit-Thanks for the info though. I'll definitely check out that book.
 

Demon-Xanth

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The thing that cruisers have over sport bikes is that they are mechanical. Sport bikes cover up all of thier inner workings and thier outer workings aren't works of art. When you look at a cruiser, you can point out all of the parts on it from five feet away. Seeing machines facinates people.
 

Maxspeed996

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Originally posted by: JulesMaximus
Originally posted by: Maxspeed996take your time , and really do your homework and make sure you know you are getting what you REALLY want. That will make all the difference in the world.

See, that's what I've been doing. I've checked out and ridden dozens of bikes from used and new cruisers to nakeds to touring bikes. I'm set on the Harley. I like the simplicity of the design and the V-twin rumble. There's just something about a V-twin that I'm drawn to.

I haven't been riding for many years but I do know what I want. I also know what I don't want and that's a big heavy bike (over 600lbs). The 2007 Sportster XL1200C is perfect for me.

Sorry to hear about your friend.
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no prob. and thanks. By the way , I know what you mean about the sound of a V-twin..my last bike 99' Honda VTR 1000 was my first V-twin and a sportbike for that matter. I'll get some pics of it , but it ended up being an endless money pit for customizing..I had 18k wrapped up in the bike when I sold it for $5200 last July. not a good turnover. But not bad for a 6 year old sportbike. Dude , nothing sounds like running 4-5k RPM in like 3 gear....and downshifting into second gear , and letting the compression of the engine slow you down ....that rumble going through downtown is sweet. It does tick some people off though , so it's all about respect.
Just remember to be as polite as possible all the time , the way you act and ride is an indirect reflection of how other people are going to perceive the entire "biker" genre.
 

loic2003

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Originally posted by: Amused
I don't have a "gang." I have friends.

I rode sport bikes for 20+ years. Now I ride a Harley. What is the number one problem we have at bike shows and meets? Squids. Sport bikers have more than thier fair share of attutude.

Try waving instead of nodding.

A fair enough point, although I try not to take my hands off the bars if I can help... safety and all that. Weirdly, in Europe (France and italy for sure) bikers don't nod or wave, instead they shake a leg.

So here's some options for alternatives to harleys if you're not 20 something and crazy:

CBF 1000

Z750s

1200ST

F800ST

Moto Guzzi Norge 1200

The above are comfortable, nimble, gorgeous and show that you've put a bit of thought into your bike instead of just going out and buying the first thing that comes into mind. it's like when people come into a lot of money and just go out an buy a ferrari. Sure, it's nice, but it screams 'nouveau riche'. Now, if they had bought a Sagaris, or Noble instead, it'd turn equal numbers of heads, but people in the know will actually want to speak to the owner as he's clearly more of a conniseur...

You get the idea...

 

Red Dawn

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Originally posted by: GalvanizedYankee
Originally posted by: loic2003
Originally posted by: Amused
With an attitude like that do you really think you're any better than they are?

:roll:

The group I ride with is all under 40, all in shape and we welcome and wave to anything on two wheels.

Grow up.

This is my experience. I always give other bikes the nod, but not once have I gotten one back from your classic cliche harley rider, whereas i'd say 80%+ of the time other 'normal' bikers nod back. You may say your 'biker gang' is different, and that's fine, but I can only speak of what I've witnessed. And yeah, it p!sses me off that harley riders have their 'attitudes' all the time.... the whole harley clique seems, well... kinda lame to me.

YMMV

I agree with you Brit. I live on the SoCal coast and every weekend Pacific Coast Highway is loaded with Harley asshats. :p Loud pipes, hey look at me attitude. A real bunch of phonies. The bikes are used for bar hopping :p You ought to see these fools in the twisties :laugh: they fall all over the road. Piss poor riders for the most part.
Amused did say he rode sport bikes for 20 years so he is not the average Harley wanna be tough guy yuppie ;)


...Galvanized
No he is a real tough guy yuppie. You more or less have to be a good earner these days to afford a new Harley, especially a Harley like his.

Yeah there are a lot of posers out there on Harleys but there are just as many posers out there on sport bikes. One thing is true though, a lot of older guys are getting Harleys for their first bike and they can't handle them. In many states the death toll among Motorcyclists is going up due to these guys. Prior to this trend the majority of deaths on Motorcycles was due to idiots on sport bikes.

 

CombatChuk

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Originally posted by: JulesMaximus
Originally posted by: Maxspeed996take your time , and really do your homework and make sure you know you are getting what you REALLY want. That will make all the difference in the world.

See, that's what I've been doing. I've checked out and ridden dozens of bikes from used and new cruisers to nakeds to touring bikes. I'm set on the Harley. I like the simplicity of the design and the V-twin rumble. There's just something about a V-twin that I'm drawn to.

I haven't been riding for many years but I do know what I want. I also know what I don't want and that's a big heavy bike (over 600lbs). The 2007 Sportster XL1200C is perfect for me.

Sorry to hear about your friend.
rose.gif
:(

If you like a bike with character check out the Triumph Bonneville. The new 2007 models have a bigger 865cc engine.
 

CombatChuk

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Originally posted by: Red Dawn
Originally posted by: GalvanizedYankee
Originally posted by: loic2003
Originally posted by: Amused
With an attitude like that do you really think you're any better than they are?

:roll:

The group I ride with is all under 40, all in shape and we welcome and wave to anything on two wheels.

Grow up.

This is my experience. I always give other bikes the nod, but not once have I gotten one back from your classic cliche harley rider, whereas i'd say 80%+ of the time other 'normal' bikers nod back. You may say your 'biker gang' is different, and that's fine, but I can only speak of what I've witnessed. And yeah, it p!sses me off that harley riders have their 'attitudes' all the time.... the whole harley clique seems, well... kinda lame to me.

YMMV

I agree with you Brit. I live on the SoCal coast and every weekend Pacific Coast Highway is loaded with Harley asshats. :p Loud pipes, hey look at me attitude. A real bunch of phonies. The bikes are used for bar hopping :p You ought to see these fools in the twisties :laugh: they fall all over the road. Piss poor riders for the most part.
Amused did say he rode sport bikes for 20 years so he is not the average Harley wanna be tough guy yuppie ;)


...Galvanized
No he is a real tough guy yuppie. You more or less have to be a good earner these days to afford a new Harley, especially a Harley like his.

Yeah there are a lot of posers out there on Harleys but there are just as many posers out there on sport bikes. One thing is true though, a lot of older guys are getting Harleys for their first bike and they can't handle them. In many states the death toll among Motorcyclists is going up due to these guys. Prior to this trend the majority of deaths on Motorcycles was due to idiots on sport bikes.


Coupled with not wearing helmets for the "image"...
 

Red Dawn

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Originally posted by: CombatChuk
Originally posted by: Red Dawn
Originally posted by: GalvanizedYankee
Originally posted by: loic2003
Originally posted by: Amused
With an attitude like that do you really think you're any better than they are?

:roll:

The group I ride with is all under 40, all in shape and we welcome and wave to anything on two wheels.

Grow up.

This is my experience. I always give other bikes the nod, but not once have I gotten one back from your classic cliche harley rider, whereas i'd say 80%+ of the time other 'normal' bikers nod back. You may say your 'biker gang' is different, and that's fine, but I can only speak of what I've witnessed. And yeah, it p!sses me off that harley riders have their 'attitudes' all the time.... the whole harley clique seems, well... kinda lame to me.

YMMV

I agree with you Brit. I live on the SoCal coast and every weekend Pacific Coast Highway is loaded with Harley asshats. :p Loud pipes, hey look at me attitude. A real bunch of phonies. The bikes are used for bar hopping :p You ought to see these fools in the twisties :laugh: they fall all over the road. Piss poor riders for the most part.
Amused did say he rode sport bikes for 20 years so he is not the average Harley wanna be tough guy yuppie ;)


...Galvanized
No he is a real tough guy yuppie. You more or less have to be a good earner these days to afford a new Harley, especially a Harley like his.

Yeah there are a lot of posers out there on Harleys but there are just as many posers out there on sport bikes. One thing is true though, a lot of older guys are getting Harleys for their first bike and they can't handle them. In many states the death toll among Motorcyclists is going up due to these guys. Prior to this trend the majority of deaths on Motorcycles was due to idiots on sport bikes.


Coupled with not wearing helmets for the "image"...
Plus the advent of Cell Phones.

 

GalvanizedYankee

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I had to do it :p http://www.msu.edu/~big/gary_busey.htm

Yes! I wear a DOT helmet and foam ear plugs when I ride. Noise IS fatiguing=fact.

The Harley guys here in SoCal wear those beanie helmets with a ball cap under it. :p

Red, posers exist every where. Some of our best back roads have been ruined by squids :(

Hey Ioic2003, that F800ST is 420# dry weight. That's sweet.


...Galvanized
 

BAMAVOO

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Originally posted by: moshquerade
Originally posted by: loic2003
See, harley for me screams mid-life crisis, or leather-clad homosexual. Sorry, but it's jsut the way it is. Check out any bike meet, then check out a harley meet. The harley riders all have puerile gear with skulls and flames all over, and are in black leather with tassles complete with village-people style mustaches. Beer guts run rife.

The bikes themselves are simply about posing: they're shiny and make a lot of noise, but in reality don't go quick nor handle at all. It's a huge "Hey look at me! I'm still young/not camp, 'cos I have me a motorbike!" to the world. The riders are usually miserable a-holes, too, trying to be 'bad-to-the-bone' bad-boys that they remember back in 1948 when harleys were actually still cool: on my race bike, other riders always give a 'nod', but harley riders always have a face like a slapped arse.

If you imagine the top gear cool wall, harleys class under really, really, really uncool.

Go for soemthing half decent, like the Honda CBF-600 or 1000. That way, women will think they have a chance with you instead of writing you off as a knob-jockey.
Harley for me says, "i'm an American and i'm going to buy American"
that's all.


Some of the bike parts are now made in Japan.



 

Bulk Beef

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Galvanized:
Is there any other bike that is over 50% American made?
(And I'm just blind faith believing that you have that stat from a reliable source)
Probably not, but Galvanized is more or less correct. If you took all of the Japanese components off of a H-D, it wouldn't run, roll, or stop. Or hold up its own weight, for that matter. And not only are those components Japanese, many of them come from Honda subsidiaries.

<comfortable w/ my Speed Triple (which has the same Japanese stuff)
 

Amused

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Originally posted by: Red Dawn
Originally posted by: Amused
Originally posted by: Red Dawn
Originally posted by: GalvanizedYankee
Amused did say he rode sport bikes for 20 years so he is not the average Harley wanna be tough guy yuppie ;)
No he is a real tough guy yuppie.

:confused:
Is that a compliment, or an insult?

:p
More like an apt description. I wasn't trying to insult you.

LOL, that's cool. :)

I'm not young (sob). I'm not urban. And everyone tells me I'm the least "professional" person they know. :p
 

JulesMaximus

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Originally posted by: Amused
Originally posted by: Red Dawn
Originally posted by: Amused
Originally posted by: Red Dawn
Originally posted by: GalvanizedYankee
Amused did say he rode sport bikes for 20 years so he is not the average Harley wanna be tough guy yuppie ;)
No he is a real tough guy yuppie.

:confused:
Is that a compliment, or an insult?

:p
More like an apt description. I wasn't trying to insult you.

LOL, that's cool. :)

I'm not young (sob). I'm not urban. And everyone tells me I'm the least "professional" person they know. :p

Okay, you're an old washed up suburbanite. ;)