What's wrong with bank failures if you're not a bankster and not in significant debt?

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Anarchist420

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What makes me so damn angry is that depositors don't have any damn rights anywhere in the entire world thanks to central banking; only debtors or creditors have rights, it goes back and forth between the two.

Say we had let the bad banks fail. People would've lost a lot of their money, but much of that didn't exist and prices would've gone down enough for all but those who were in as much debt as the bad banks themselves, right? In addition to that, wouldn't those sorry ass Lehman Brothers have learned a lesson? Why should the depositors and taxpayers be required to subsidize the bad banks and the other extreme debtors?

Central banking is the antithesis of property rights. I do not consent to having my savings embezzled and even worse, the people are forced to bail out the banks who mismanage their embezzlements of your property.

It's better to just have the banks fail without a lender of last resort and without deposit insurance granted by the tax payer. Like I said, the Southern states, which required banks to have higher reserve ratios, did fine when the deficit-running northern states were in a huge panic (I heard that Lincoln initially proposed a system of failed banks to print money and manage credit to fund the Counterrevolution). If the state legislature requires banks to have tight credit policies, then there is no problem because there is limited or no borrowing and maximum saving, so no bank failures. If they over extend credit, then the state legislature can transfer the ownership of the banks to the depositors.
 

Infohawk

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You should separate out "what happens to customers if the bank fails" from "what happens to shareholders if the banks fail."

A modest deposit insurance program (like the kind we have now) doesn't bother me. If people weren't confident in their deposits they wouldn't put their money in banks and the economy would suffer from a lack of lending capacity.

I have no problem with the shareholders losing everything when a company makes a mistake. We can't let banks think that they'll get bailed out every time they overreach. Otherwise, there is only incentive to overreach. (win-win).
 

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Letting the banks fail would have done more than just cause some people to lose money. It would have dried up credit which in turn would have limited capital available for investment and business development in a staggered economy. Oh, and Lehman Brothers WAS allowed to fail and actually did.

BTW if you don't mind me asking, who is responsible for this condition you are in? Was it a professor, a book you read, some websites? I can guarenty you that are your age these are not your ideas but someone else's ideas that you seem to have imbibed in toto without filtering it through any process of critical thought.
 

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Infohawk, I think the FDIC backing hurts us bank customers and hides the fact that these banks might be to risky to invest in. Banks would probably pull back on their risk if they knew they couldn't afford to lose their customers money. That said, I am all for banks that fail failing as I am for anything failing if they fail.
 

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It's better to just have the banks fail without a lender of last resort and without deposit insurance granted by the tax payer.

No, that's what happened to Leman Brothers. They were allowed to go down which resulted in a world-wide crisis. Large banks should be regulated to ensure they have more in-house cash, but they must not be allowed to fall if things go dire. This is what the fuss is about in Greece right now (where a default would bring the entire national banking system down along with a good portion of the French and German). Letting banks go is not a good idea, as shown fall 2008.
 

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Letting the banks fail would have done more than just cause some people to lose money. It would have dried up credit which in turn would have limited capital available for investment and business development in a staggered economy. Oh, and Lehman Brothers WAS allowed to fail and actually did.

BTW if you don't mind me asking, who is responsible for this condition you are in? Was it a professor, a book you read, some websites? I can guarenty you that are your age these are not your ideas but someone else's ideas that you seem to have imbibed in toto without filtering it through any process of critical thought.
What's wrong with dried up credit? In addition to that, what good did the stimulus do? Unemployment may have gone up to 20% for maybe up to a maximum of 1 year after 2008, but bad debts would've been liquidated, and we'd currently be seeing about maybe 3% unemployment if we had just let the inevitable happen when should have happened.

Whenever credit is overextended, it is necessary for the credit to be contracted, although credit should never be overextended in the first place. After the credit is contracted, they should continue to contract, rather than reinflate. Interest rates have been low ever since the bubble collapsed in 08, and unemployment has remained the same and many people are still faced with losing their jobs. They certainly will when this current bubble explodes, unless there has been a lot of saving and very little borrowing, which is unlikely, since a lot of people are having to borrow due to price increases, due to inflation.
That said, the sooner this bubble we're in is popped and never reinflated, the better off we'll be, because people will be spending some of the money they have and saving the rest.

No problem with the question:) The writings of Murray Rothbard (he's a hero of mine) inspire me deeply. They make the most sense to me. Keynesian policies are dangerous to liberty and they don't work; they've been proven to not work. The Chicago School isn't right either. Why did the GD happen? Because monetarist policies were in effect during the roaring 20s. The bubble had to be popped and the government intervened too much after the bubble had been popped. They didn't deflate enough. The government could've raised every single banks' reserve ratio to 100% of the gold deposited and then transferred the ownership of the banks to the depositors. Some people would've had trouble paying off their debts, but they would've been liquidated within 1.5 years at most. Had the free market been allowed to correct itself, it would've.
 

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What's wrong with bank failures if you're not a bankster and not in significant debt?

Serious question - How the h3ll does a bank failure hurt you if you are in significant debt?

(I can only see it see it hurting (bank) investors. If you owe the bank money why give a damn if the bank fails?).

Fern
 

MovingTarget

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Infohawk, I think the FDIC backing hurts us bank customers and hides the fact that these banks might be to risky to invest in. Banks would probably pull back on their risk if they knew they couldn't afford to lose their customers money. That said, I am all for banks that fail failing as I am for anything failing if they fail.
People don't always look at banks as something to invest in, but merely as a business that provides a service. I could see your point if you were speaking only of investment banking. We used to separate these functions, and for the time it worked quite well.
 

bfdd

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People don't always look at banks as something to invest in, but merely as a business that provides a service. I could see your point if you were speaking only of investment banking. We used to separate these functions, and for the time it worked quite well.

Banking period. Banks take on risk every time they loan someone money, they would have to be much more stringent if they knew they couldn't back up their customers money with Federally insured money. I'm not saying I think it's the end all solution, I just happen to believe if the banks knew they had to front a lot more risk they would take less risks and this goes for all forms of banking. Sure we might see slightly lower interest rates on our accounts, but we would have a more realistic perception of which banks are safe and which aren't based on how they do with their customers money.
 

fskimospy

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What's wrong with dried up credit? In addition to that, what good did the stimulus do? Unemployment may have gone up to 20% for maybe up to a maximum of 1 year after 2008, but bad debts would've been liquidated, and we'd currently be seeing about maybe 3% unemployment if we had just let the inevitable happen when should have happened.

Whenever credit is overextended, it is necessary for the credit to be contracted, although credit should never be overextended in the first place. After the credit is contracted, they should continue to contract, rather than reinflate. Interest rates have been low ever since the bubble collapsed in 08, and unemployment has remained the same and many people are still faced with losing their jobs. They certainly will when this current bubble explodes, unless there has been a lot of saving and very little borrowing, which is unlikely, since a lot of people are having to borrow due to price increases, due to inflation.
That said, the sooner this bubble we're in is popped and never reinflated, the better off we'll be, because people will be spending some of the money they have and saving the rest.

No problem with the question:) The writings of Murray Rothbard (he's a hero of mine) inspire me deeply. They make the most sense to me. Keynesian policies are dangerous to liberty and they don't work; they've been proven to not work. The Chicago School isn't right either. Why did the GD happen? Because monetarist policies were in effect during the roaring 20s. The bubble had to be popped and the government intervened too much after the bubble had been popped. They didn't deflate enough. The government could've raised every single banks' reserve ratio to 100% of the gold deposited and then transferred the ownership of the banks to the depositors. Some people would've had trouble paying off their debts, but they would've been liquidated within 1.5 years at most. Had the free market been allowed to correct itself, it would've.

I'd really like to know why without the stimulus/bailouts you think US unemployment would have fallen to only half a percentage point higher than the lowest unemployment rate in recorded US history (which was goosed by massive federal spending on the Korean War). What figures are you basing this on? What analysis?

Oh wait, you subscribe to the venerable Austrian School of Economics, the group that isn't even considered real economists because they have abandoned science, math, and empirical evidence for shit they just make up. No wonder you went to a tier 4 school, you fucking retarded clown.
 
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