What's wrong with AM2 and 5200+

[Heinrich]

What's wrong with this puppy married to an AM2 board compared to a core2 duo

AMD

vs

Intel

I actually found myself considering a Core 2 Duo, and I just put a Creative product into my box when I swore off them never again - I truly feel like I'm supporting companies that don't give a rats buttocks about any single consumer whatsoever

 

[jpeyton]

If you're buying AMD right now, buy a Brisbane 65nm CPU.

X2 3600+ @ 3.1GHz on stock air isn't bad at all for a ~$100 chip.

AMDs only strength right now are with their budget CPUs. Once you start to spend more than $180 for a CPU, you might as well buy an Allendale or Conroe.

 

[Avalon]

Originally posted by: jpeyton
If you're buying AMD right now, buy a Brisbane 65nm CPU.

X2 3600+ @ 3.1GHz on stock air isn't bad at all for a ~$100 chip.

AMDs only strength right now are with their budget CPUs. Once you start to spend more than $180 for a CPU, you might as well buy an Allendale or Conroe.

Damn...wish they had that little beasty for 939. Pretty damn tempting.

 

[Diogenes2]

Originally posted by: Avalon

Originally posted by: jpeyton
If you're buying AMD right now, buy a Brisbane 65nm CPU.

X2 3600+ @ 3.1GHz on stock air isn't bad at all for a ~$100 chip.

AMDs only strength right now are with their budget CPUs. Once you start to spend more than $180 for a CPU, you might as well buy an Allendale or Conroe.

Damn...wish they had that little beasty for 939. Pretty damn tempting.

This combo at Newegg still looks pretty tempting to me ...

I would say it should really compete with the ECS/4300 combos that have been the rage lately ..


http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16819103036

Of course, if you don't have DDR2 , the price goes up ....

The Biostar MB has pretty favorable reviews, especially when you consider the price..

I just might have to check this out..

 

[Markfw]

Is this a from scratch build ? Are you going to overclock ? a little or a lot if so...

If you need DDR2 (scratch build) then C2D is the only way to go. What you do with it, and how much you OC depends on which one you should get. If you OC a bit, a E6400 @ 3.4 is easy to do, and not too exspensive and will leave the 3600 X2@3.1 in the dust.

 

[sdsdv10]

Originally posted by: Heinrich
What's wrong with this puppy married to an AM2 board compared to a core2 duo

AMD

vs

Intel

I actually found myself considering a Core 2 Duo, and I just put a Creative product into my box when I swore off them never again - I truly feel like I'm supporting companies that don't give a rats buttocks about any single consumer whatsoever

Nothing against AMD, but what has Intel done since the Core 2 launch to make you believe they, as you say,

"don't give a rats buttocks about any single consumer whatsoever"

Intel has slashed prices, forcing AMD to do the same, and really ramped up their update release schedule, again causing AMD to respond in some fashion. Intels version of Quad core was out less than 6 months after the Core 2 Duo release, etc....

Now, if you want to debate whether Intel is doing this benefit the customer or hurt AMD, well that is a different discussion. What I believe you can not aurgue with, is that it certainly helps anyone currently buying or building a new rig.

As for AMD or Intel CPUS, buy whatever you like...

 

[Diogenes2]

Originally posted by: Markfw900
............ a E6400 @ 3.4 is easy to do, and not too exspensive and will leave the 3600 X2@3.1 in the dust.

I guess I'll have to see ...

" In the dust ... " Sounds a bit of a stretch ..

 

[jpeyton]

Originally posted by: Diogenes2

Originally posted by: Markfw900
............ a E6400 @ 3.4 is easy to do, and not too exspensive and will leave the 3600 X2@3.1 in the dust.

I guess I'll have to see ...

" In the dust ... " Sounds a bit of a stretch ..

Mark is right to some degree, but we're comparing apples to oranges. $100 X2 3600+ vs. $220 E6400; of course the latter will win out.

 

[Markfw]

OK, lets make it a 4300@130 ($149 frys deal, sell mobo, then buy good mobo) OC'ed to 3.4 vs that X2. 30-50% improvement is a blowout IMO.

 

[Zap]

Originally posted by: Diogenes2
The Biostar MB has pretty favorable reviews, especially when you consider the price..

One reviewer claimed to have gotten around 326MHz HTT, mucn more than I got. I hit a wall at around 270MHz. This guy said that there was a trick to it. Eh, too bad I sold my board - would have tried it to see.

 

[Diogenes2]

Originally posted by: Markfw900
OK, lets make it a 4300@130 ($149 frys deal, sell mobo, then buy good mobo) OC'ed to 3.4 vs that X2. 30-50% improvement is a blowout IMO.

O.K., Then show me an average 4300 OC of 3.4 and you will have a point..
From what people are reporting here, it's not happening...

Of course it remains to be seen if the 3600 Brisbane will average 3.1 also ...


I've ordered the combo, so I'll let you know how it goes....

 

[Heinrich]

Originally posted by: Markfw900
Is this a from scratch build ? Are you going to overclock ? a little or a lot if so...

If you need DDR2 (scratch build) then C2D is the only way to go. What you do with it, and how much you OC depends on which one you should get. If you OC a bit, a E6400 @ 3.4 is easy to do, and not too exspensive and will leave the 3600 X2@3.1 in the dust.

I want a very fast but *reasonably* affordable PC and I do need to upgrade. This is not 'from scratch" I have a 939 based system now with a 512MB 7800GTX (that will not be upgraded until the next generation.)

 

[Heinrich]

Originally posted by: sdsdv10

Originally posted by: Heinrich
What's wrong with this puppy married to an AM2 board compared to a core2 duo

AMD

vs

Intel

I actually found myself considering a Core 2 Duo, and I just put a Creative product into my box when I swore off them never again - I truly feel like I'm supporting companies that don't give a rats buttocks about any single consumer whatsoever

Nothing against AMD, but what has Intel done since the Core 2 launch to make you believe they, as you say,

"don't give a rats buttocks about any single consumer whatsoever"

Intel has slashed prices, forcing AMD to do the same, and really ramped up their update release schedule, again causing AMD to respond in some fashion. Intels version of Quad core was out less than 6 months after the Core 2 Duo release, etc....

Now, if you want to debate whether Intel is doing this benefit the customer or hurt AMD, well that is a different discussion. What I believe you can not aurgue with, is that it certainly helps anyone currently buying or building a new rig.

As for AMD or Intel CPUS, buy whatever you like...

When Intel was 'supposedly' 'secretly' threatening/paying off companies not to develop boards with AMD chipsets and 'apparently' paying Dell not to use AMD chips, to me this is dirty pool. I realize none of this is proven but these facts were in fact reported from multiple sources and with continued breaking news on this front (this week shareholder lawsuit against Dell) I believe them to be true.

I'm one of those horrible people who do assign some sort of internal "morality" rating on companies - I don't buy Exxon gas because of the Valdez and Exxon's attempts to shed their responsiblity; I don't buy Walmart because of their impact on American society, small businesses, trees, etc etc; and I still don't eat at Denny's or Cracker Barrel or drink Coors beer. What can I say. I think the world would be a much better place if people spent their money with more 'responsible' corporations.

As I also said, I can't believe that I just bought a Creative soundcard after their treatment of Aureal and their lack of realtime Dolby encoding AND their obese bloatware drivers....but I don't know that I can go the Intel route considering that there is at least a reasonable alternative available.

 

[coldpower27]

Originally posted by: Heinrich

Originally posted by: sdsdv10

Originally posted by: Heinrich
What's wrong with this puppy married to an AM2 board compared to a core2 duo

AMD

vs

Intel

I actually found myself considering a Core 2 Duo, and I just put a Creative product into my box when I swore off them never again - I truly feel like I'm supporting companies that don't give a rats buttocks about any single consumer whatsoever

Nothing against AMD, but what has Intel done since the Core 2 launch to make you believe they, as you say,

"don't give a rats buttocks about any single consumer whatsoever"

Intel has slashed prices, forcing AMD to do the same, and really ramped up their update release schedule, again causing AMD to respond in some fashion. Intels version of Quad core was out less than 6 months after the Core 2 Duo release, etc....

Now, if you want to debate whether Intel is doing this benefit the customer or hurt AMD, well that is a different discussion. What I believe you can not aurgue with, is that it certainly helps anyone currently buying or building a new rig.

As for AMD or Intel CPUS, buy whatever you like...

When Intel was 'supposedly' 'secretly' threatening/paying off companies not to develop boards with AMD chipsets and 'apparently' paying Dell not to use AMD chips, to me this is dirty pool. I realize none of this is proven but these facts were in fact reported from multiple sources and with continued breaking news on this front (this week shareholder lawsuit against Dell) I believe them to be true.

I'm one of those horrible people who do assign some sort of internal "morality" rating on companies - I don't buy Exxon gas because of the Valdez and Exxon's attempts to shed their responsiblity; I don't buy Walmart because of their impact on American society, small businesses, trees, etc etc; and I still don't eat at Denny's or Cracker Barrel or drink Coors beer. What can I say. I think the world would be a much better place if people spent their money with more 'responsible' corporations.

As I also said, I can't believe that I just bought a Creative soundcard after their treatment of Aureal and their lack of realtime Dolby encoding AND their obese bloatware drivers....but I don't know that I can go the Intel route considering that there is at least a reasonable alternative available.

If their unproven, their not facts, they are simply statements and accusations. You actually expect corporation to be ethical and moral eh? Good luck with that, as AMD is no saint either. For most it's either the company they have been using for the majority of their life, the company they simply favor, or price/performance.

 

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[DrMrLordX]

Originally posted by: jpeyton
If you're buying AMD right now, buy a Brisbane 65nm CPU.

X2 3600+ @ 3.1GHz on stock air isn't bad at all for a ~$100 chip.

AMDs only strength right now are with their budget CPUs. Once you start to spend more than $180 for a CPU, you might as well buy an Allendale or Conroe.

That chip they tested is strange. AMD said the chip's part number (tray) was ADO3600IAA5DD, but the IHS indicated it's ADO3600IAA5DL? I don't get it. I know ADO3600IAA5DD = Rev G1, but what's the part number for Rev G2? You'd think ADO3600IAA5DL would be it no? Yet CPU-z showed the tested CPU to be Rev G1 (I think?)

 

[Kur]

I find my AMD 3800+ x2 939 chip fine for everything I do. I game alot and don't really notice a difference and I have 6800GS card and play most of the newer games. I suggest just upgrading to a new S939 CPU but they are pretty hard to find and are going up in price because they no longer make the CPU's.

You guys can go back and forth all day that intel is better, unless you are a complete computer junkie and love encoding DVD's all day and are so picky about how fast X app loads go for intel. Myself don't really care as long as it runs.