What's up with the Matrix?

[sixone]

Originally posted by: jjones

Originally posted by: Slick5150

Originally posted by: JS80
nice spoiler in the topic

Oh please. You lose spoiler rights after a year of the movie being on DVD. If you haven't seen it by then, its your own fault.

Rosebud is the name of his sled by the way, in case you haven't seen that one either.

WTF? This blurting out of spoilers is really getting out of hand. Next thing you know, someone's going to tell me Frosty melts.

Santa asks Rudolph to lead the other reindeer.

 

[jjones]

Originally posted by: AnyMal
Actually, of all the plot's twists and turns this on made sense to me. It is true, humans produce a certain amount of BTU's which theoretically can be converted into energy. Using humans as the energy source requires much less "manufacturing" effort (self-reproduction) and upkeep (feeding tubes) and a single pair of humans can reproduce dozens of times over the lifetime.

Just my theory 🙂

Well, I don't know how good of an energy source we are, but it seems like the machines would expend much more energy in producing and maintaining humans than they would get in return. I mean they have all of mother earth to use as an energy resource without any environmental concerns whatsoever. I would think they would dispense with humans altogether, but then there wouldn't be a movie. 😛

 

[AnyMal]

Originally posted by: jjones

Originally posted by: AnyMal
Actually, of all the plot's twists and turns this on made sense to me. It is true, humans produce a certain amount of BTU's which theoretically can be converted into energy. Using humans as the energy source requires much less "manufacturing" effort (self-reproduction) and upkeep (feeding tubes) and a single pair of humans can reproduce dozens of times over the lifetime.

Just my theory 🙂

Well, I don't know how good of an energy source we are, but it seems like the machines would expend much more energy in producing and maintaining humans than they would get in return. I mean they have all of mother earth to use as an energy resource without any environmental concerns whatsoever. I would think they would dispense with humans altogether, but then there wouldn't be a movie. 😛

The movie was shot in California and Australia. I hear they have very strict environmental and fuel efficiency standards, so it makes sense :laugh:

 

[Legendary]

Turns out Wireless N is short for Wireless NEO.
That's right, you can buy tech from movies in your own home!

 

[scootermaster]

Thanks for some of the suggestions. honestly, I haven't been this confused since that guy just caps Leo DiCaprio at the end of The Departed because he's an agent for Jack Nicholson too.

 

[mpitts]

Originally posted by: theprodigalrebel
Spoilers? Who, on a tech forum, hasn't seen The Matrix movies?

I was just thinking the same thing.. If you need a spoiler alert for an 8 year old movie that just about every tech nerd has seen, then you just need to get over yourself. 😀

 

[rockyct]

Originally posted by: sixone

Originally posted by: jjones

Originally posted by: Slick5150

Originally posted by: JS80
nice spoiler in the topic

Oh please. You lose spoiler rights after a year of the movie being on DVD. If you haven't seen it by then, its your own fault.

Rosebud is the name of his sled by the way, in case you haven't seen that one either.

WTF? This blurting out of spoilers is really getting out of hand. Next thing you know, someone's going to tell me Frosty melts.

Santa asks Rudolph to lead the other reindeer.

and Bruce Willis is dead

 

[FallenHero]

Originally posted by: scootermaster
Thanks for some of the suggestions. HUGE SPOILER

Now you're just being a giant dick.

 

[3chordcharlie]

Originally posted by: 2Xtreme21

Originally posted by: jman19
Oh you mean after Sephiroth stabs her at the end of disc 1 of FF7??

Wow I think if I had not played the game, I'd find a way to murder you. That was the biggest bomb in like any video game ever... and yes I cried when it happened the first time I played it.

Oh yeah, thanks.

*throws out copy of FF7*

I guess I don't need to get around to playing that one...

 

[TheChort]

Originally posted by: FallenHero

Originally posted by: scootermaster
Thanks for some of the suggestions. HUGE SPOILER

Now you're just being a giant dick.

no, that was the end of boogie nights

 

[scootermaster]

Originally posted by: TheChort

Originally posted by: FallenHero

Originally posted by: scootermaster
Thanks for some of the suggestions. HUGE SPOILER

Now you're just being a giant dick.

no, that was the end of boogie nights

That made me laugh!

And it reminded me of the middle of Inside Man where it turns out Chris Plummer made money by helping the Nazis and it wasn't really a bank robbery at all.

 

[Howard]

Originally posted by: jjones

Originally posted by: AnyMal
Actually, of all the plot's twists and turns this on made sense to me. It is true, humans produce a certain amount of BTU's which theoretically can be converted into energy. Using humans as the energy source requires much less "manufacturing" effort (self-reproduction) and upkeep (feeding tubes) and a single pair of humans can reproduce dozens of times over the lifetime.

Just my theory 🙂

Well, I don't know how good of an energy source we are, but it seems like the machines would expend much more energy in producing and maintaining humans than they would get in return. I mean they have all of mother earth to use as an energy resource without any environmental concerns whatsoever. I would think they would dispense with humans altogether, but then there wouldn't be a movie. 😛

Whatever energy we would be able to produce (assuming a possible method of extraction) would have be first extracted from the food we eat. Of course, this is not a perfectly efficient process, so they would never even come close to breaking even.

Where does all the food come from, anyway? There's no sunlight, so either the food is chemically generated, which requires another source of energy... or sunlight is artifically produced, which again requires a source of energy, most likely electricity. Wind, nuclear, geothermal, fossil etc. power are viable, but none of these are mentioned in the films IIRC.

 

[Legendary]

Originally posted by: Howard

Originally posted by: jjones

Originally posted by: AnyMal
Actually, of all the plot's twists and turns this on made sense to me. It is true, humans produce a certain amount of BTU's which theoretically can be converted into energy. Using humans as the energy source requires much less "manufacturing" effort (self-reproduction) and upkeep (feeding tubes) and a single pair of humans can reproduce dozens of times over the lifetime.

Just my theory 🙂

Well, I don't know how good of an energy source we are, but it seems like the machines would expend much more energy in producing and maintaining humans than they would get in return. I mean they have all of mother earth to use as an energy resource without any environmental concerns whatsoever. I would think they would dispense with humans altogether, but then there wouldn't be a movie. 😛

Whatever energy we would be able to produce (assuming a possible method of extraction) would have be first extracted from the food we eat. Of course, this is not a perfectly efficient process, so they would never even come close to breaking even.

Where does all the food come from, anyway? There's no sunlight, so either the food is chemically generated, which requires another source of energy... or sunlight is artifically produced, which again requires a source of energy, most likely electricity. Wind, nuclear, geothermal, fossil etc. power are viable, but none of these are mentioned in the films IIRC.

The movie specified that the dead are "fed intravenously to the living"

 

[3chordcharlie]

Originally posted by: Howard

Originally posted by: jjones

Originally posted by: AnyMal
Actually, of all the plot's twists and turns this on made sense to me. It is true, humans produce a certain amount of BTU's which theoretically can be converted into energy. Using humans as the energy source requires much less "manufacturing" effort (self-reproduction) and upkeep (feeding tubes) and a single pair of humans can reproduce dozens of times over the lifetime.

Just my theory 🙂

Well, I don't know how good of an energy source we are, but it seems like the machines would expend much more energy in producing and maintaining humans than they would get in return. I mean they have all of mother earth to use as an energy resource without any environmental concerns whatsoever. I would think they would dispense with humans altogether, but then there wouldn't be a movie. 😛

Whatever energy we would be able to produce (assuming a possible method of extraction) would have be first extracted from the food we eat. Of course, this is not a perfectly efficient process, so they would never even come close to breaking even.

Where does all the food come from, anyway? There's no sunlight, so either the food is chemically generated, which requires another source of energy... or sunlight is artifically produced, which again requires a source of energy, most likely electricity. Wind, nuclear, geothermal, fossil etc. power are viable, but none of these are mentioned in the films IIRC.

Don't you remember? They fed the dead people to the live people.

Normally, we would see this as a serious violation of the first law of thermodynamics. But since the machines were more or less in charge, they could have their own congress, and make any law they wanted. So it's fine.

 

[Jeff7]

Originally posted by: Paratus
Dlink 802.11WTFBBQ Xtreme edition

With a Sentinel Firewall


Concerning energy, I don't know why they went with inefficient humans as a source of power. Our digestive tracts are not particularly efficient, and the machines had fusion technology. It seemed like they had to invest a LOT of resources in maintaining their human farm. If they insist on using USDA Certified organic power, wouldn't it have made more sense to keep another species captive, maybe one without sentience? Maybe keep a bunch of horses, or better yet, cows. The Matrix would just be a big pasture, like the default WindowsXP background. They get their power source, there's no need for a huge resource-intensive computer simulation, and the "generators" are too stupid to do much of anything except eat and sleep.

 

[IHateMyJob2004]

Originally posted by: angminas
Ok, here's what's up with the Matrix. The first movie was a masterpiece, and the other two were embarrassing messianic derivative crap.

Stop thinking about 2 and 3. They're just plain dumb.

And change the summary. Spoilers are not cool. Suppose you were the last person on earth who hadn't seen the Matrix series (an office you apparently held quite recently) and you happened upon that before watching the first movie. It would ruin the whole experience, which is the point. Movies like The Matrix don't come along very often, and you can never get unspoiled.

1 - perfection

2 - only good as a lead into 3

2 and 3 really have to be watched together non-stop.

Before 3 was in theaters, it was fun reading about theories knowing what 1 and 2 were about. 3 answers ALOT of questions.

 

[Howard]

Originally posted by: Legendary

Originally posted by: Howard

Originally posted by: jjones

Originally posted by: AnyMal
Actually, of all the plot's twists and turns this on made sense to me. It is true, humans produce a certain amount of BTU's which theoretically can be converted into energy. Using humans as the energy source requires much less "manufacturing" effort (self-reproduction) and upkeep (feeding tubes) and a single pair of humans can reproduce dozens of times over the lifetime.

Just my theory 🙂

Well, I don't know how good of an energy source we are, but it seems like the machines would expend much more energy in producing and maintaining humans than they would get in return. I mean they have all of mother earth to use as an energy resource without any environmental concerns whatsoever. I would think they would dispense with humans altogether, but then there wouldn't be a movie. 😛

Whatever energy we would be able to produce (assuming a possible method of extraction) would have be first extracted from the food we eat. Of course, this is not a perfectly efficient process, so they would never even come close to breaking even.

Where does all the food come from, anyway? There's no sunlight, so either the food is chemically generated, which requires another source of energy... or sunlight is artifically produced, which again requires a source of energy, most likely electricity. Wind, nuclear, geothermal, fossil etc. power are viable, but none of these are mentioned in the films IIRC.

The movie specified that the dead are "fed intravenously to the living"

The energy balance is still negative.

 

[irishScott]

To actually answer the OPs question: See the 3rd matrix

 

[irishScott]

Originally posted by: Howard

Originally posted by: Legendary

Originally posted by: Howard

Originally posted by: jjones

Originally posted by: AnyMal
Actually, of all the plot's twists and turns this on made sense to me. It is true, humans produce a certain amount of BTU's which theoretically can be converted into energy. Using humans as the energy source requires much less "manufacturing" effort (self-reproduction) and upkeep (feeding tubes) and a single pair of humans can reproduce dozens of times over the lifetime.

Just my theory 🙂

Well, I don't know how good of an energy source we are, but it seems like the machines would expend much more energy in producing and maintaining humans than they would get in return. I mean they have all of mother earth to use as an energy resource without any environmental concerns whatsoever. I would think they would dispense with humans altogether, but then there wouldn't be a movie. 😛

Whatever energy we would be able to produce (assuming a possible method of extraction) would have be first extracted from the food we eat. Of course, this is not a perfectly efficient process, so they would never even come close to breaking even.

Where does all the food come from, anyway? There's no sunlight, so either the food is chemically generated, which requires another source of energy... or sunlight is artifically produced, which again requires a source of energy, most likely electricity. Wind, nuclear, geothermal, fossil etc. power are viable, but none of these are mentioned in the films IIRC.

The movie specified that the dead are "fed intravenously to the living"

The energy balance is still negative.

They're running off the amount of body heat and bio-electricity we produce. Not the ATP produced within the cells.

 

[villageidiot111]

Originally posted by: irishScott

Originally posted by: Howard

Originally posted by: Legendary

Originally posted by: Howard

Originally posted by: jjones

Originally posted by: AnyMal
Actually, of all the plot's twists and turns this on made sense to me. It is true, humans produce a certain amount of BTU's which theoretically can be converted into energy. Using humans as the energy source requires much less "manufacturing" effort (self-reproduction) and upkeep (feeding tubes) and a single pair of humans can reproduce dozens of times over the lifetime.

Just my theory 🙂

Well, I don't know how good of an energy source we are, but it seems like the machines would expend much more energy in producing and maintaining humans than they would get in return. I mean they have all of mother earth to use as an energy resource without any environmental concerns whatsoever. I would think they would dispense with humans altogether, but then there wouldn't be a movie. 😛

Whatever energy we would be able to produce (assuming a possible method of extraction) would have be first extracted from the food we eat. Of course, this is not a perfectly efficient process, so they would never even come close to breaking even.

Where does all the food come from, anyway? There's no sunlight, so either the food is chemically generated, which requires another source of energy... or sunlight is artifically produced, which again requires a source of energy, most likely electricity. Wind, nuclear, geothermal, fossil etc. power are viable, but none of these are mentioned in the films IIRC.

The movie specified that the dead are "fed intravenously to the living"

The energy balance is still negative.

They're running off the amount of body heat and bio-electricity we produce. Not the ATP produced within the cells.

While using humans as an energy source might not be the best option, I tend to think of it as the machines' ultimate revenge.

 

[irishScott]

Originally posted by: villageidiot111

Originally posted by: irishScott

Originally posted by: Howard

Originally posted by: Legendary

Originally posted by: Howard

Originally posted by: jjones

Originally posted by: AnyMal
Actually, of all the plot's twists and turns this on made sense to me. It is true, humans produce a certain amount of BTU's which theoretically can be converted into energy. Using humans as the energy source requires much less "manufacturing" effort (self-reproduction) and upkeep (feeding tubes) and a single pair of humans can reproduce dozens of times over the lifetime.

Just my theory 🙂

Well, I don't know how good of an energy source we are, but it seems like the machines would expend much more energy in producing and maintaining humans than they would get in return. I mean they have all of mother earth to use as an energy resource without any environmental concerns whatsoever. I would think they would dispense with humans altogether, but then there wouldn't be a movie. 😛

Whatever energy we would be able to produce (assuming a possible method of extraction) would have be first extracted from the food we eat. Of course, this is not a perfectly efficient process, so they would never even come close to breaking even.

Where does all the food come from, anyway? There's no sunlight, so either the food is chemically generated, which requires another source of energy... or sunlight is artifically produced, which again requires a source of energy, most likely electricity. Wind, nuclear, geothermal, fossil etc. power are viable, but none of these are mentioned in the films IIRC.

The movie specified that the dead are "fed intravenously to the living"

The energy balance is still negative.

They're running off the amount of body heat and bio-electricity we produce. Not the ATP produced within the cells.

While using humans as an energy source might not be the best option, I tend to think of it as the machines' ultimate revenge.

That, and the first also states that the process is "combined with a form of fusion"

 

[Howard]

Originally posted by: irishScott

Originally posted by: Howard

Originally posted by: Legendary

Originally posted by: Howard

Originally posted by: jjones

Originally posted by: AnyMal
Actually, of all the plot's twists and turns this on made sense to me. It is true, humans produce a certain amount of BTU's which theoretically can be converted into energy. Using humans as the energy source requires much less "manufacturing" effort (self-reproduction) and upkeep (feeding tubes) and a single pair of humans can reproduce dozens of times over the lifetime.

Just my theory 🙂

Well, I don't know how good of an energy source we are, but it seems like the machines would expend much more energy in producing and maintaining humans than they would get in return. I mean they have all of mother earth to use as an energy resource without any environmental concerns whatsoever. I would think they would dispense with humans altogether, but then there wouldn't be a movie. 😛

Whatever energy we would be able to produce (assuming a possible method of extraction) would have be first extracted from the food we eat. Of course, this is not a perfectly efficient process, so they would never even come close to breaking even.

Where does all the food come from, anyway? There's no sunlight, so either the food is chemically generated, which requires another source of energy... or sunlight is artifically produced, which again requires a source of energy, most likely electricity. Wind, nuclear, geothermal, fossil etc. power are viable, but none of these are mentioned in the films IIRC.

The movie specified that the dead are "fed intravenously to the living"

The energy balance is still negative.

They're running off the amount of body heat and bio-electricity we produce. Not the ATP produced within the cells.

Where does the body heat come from? And how much "bio-electricity" can we even produce?

 

[Atheus]

I always thought they were telling us that the 'real world' is actually another matrix, and that's why he still has his powers, or at least some powers.

 

[AMDZen]

Originally posted by: Jeff7
Neo upgraded to wireless in for the other two movies, so he's got a persistent linkup to the machine world. He's in the real world, but he can still exert control over the machines.

LOL i like that one

 

[Wuffsunie]

Originally posted by: Atheus
I always thought they were telling us that the 'real world' is actually another matrix, and that's why he still has his powers, or at least some powers.

Bingo. The "real world" was no more real than the Matrix.

Just look at what the Oracle told Neo about the history of the Matrix. The early incarnations failed because mankind rejected the principle of matrix, they knew it was fake. So, in order to achieve a stable system, mankind had to choose to willingly submit to it.

The solution eventually arrived at was to create two levels to the matrix. One, it the patently fake world of the Matrix. The other is a very good imitation of what truly exists, The Real World. At least in terms of physical laws. Mankind was thus given a choice between an obvious fake and a near fake. As seen at the end, they chose the near fake, without ever realizing it was no more real than the Matrix. Neo was developed at the catalyst to bring about that choice.

It's debatable whether Neo was human or not, though I would have to say Not. His influence of machines and vision in the Real World would seem to tie him closer to the machines than humanity. Besides, Smith demonstrated that a machine can move from the Matrix to the Real World and take on a body. Neo was just a machine that started in the Real World. That also explains the conversations with the Architect and Merovingian, about Neo being one in a series.

The Real World being fake also neatly explains the recreation of Zion several times and why the machines never left the surface of the earth after winning the war. Also why there is only the singular machine city and matrix. Seems kind of silly when you have a planet at your disposal.

This is why at the end of Revolutions, I wanted the Architect to walk up to the Oracle in the park and say something along the lines of "Despite everything that happened, none of them caught on that none of this was real." It would have been the best line to end on and would have truly fvcked with the fans.