What's up with all these israel/palestian threads?

[JJChicken]

Close to 50% of P&N threads are on the conflict. War is futile. You'd think we'd all realise this after so many thousand years. Some things never change

 

[Czar]

Thats because its bad PR for Israel on the world stage and some propaganda is in order.

 

[Fear No Evil]

Originally posted by: Barack Obama
Close to 50% of P&N threads are on the conflict. War is futile. You'd think we'd all realise this after so many thousand years. Some things never change

War is 'futile'? If you are going to spew left wing catch phrases please use one that isn't by definition wrong.

Here's the definition of futile:

1. incapable of producing any result; ineffective; useless; not successful: Attempting to force-feed the sick horse was futile.

2. trifling; frivolous; unimportant.

I'd say most wars are NOT futile by definition. Maybe just take another hit off the bong and say 'War sucks' instead?

 

[blackangst1]

Originally posted by: Fear No Evil

Originally posted by: Barack Obama
Close to 50% of P&N threads are on the conflict. War is futile. You'd think we'd all realise this after so many thousand years. Some things never change

War is 'futile'? If you are going to spew left wing catch phrases please use one that isn't by definition wrong.

Here's the definition of futile:

1. incapable of producing any result; ineffective; useless; not successful: Attempting to force-feed the sick horse was futile.

2. trifling; frivolous; unimportant.

I'd say most wars are NOT futile by definition. Maybe just take another hit off the bong and say 'War sucks' instead?

Agree. One would think one would realize war is what it is-conflict. This world will never be without it, and there will always be armchair generals pointing fingers, pursing lips, and remarking on how uncivilized the world is.

 

[badnewcastle]

Originally posted by: Fear No Evil

Originally posted by: Barack Obama
Close to 50% of P&N threads are on the conflict. War is futile. You'd think we'd all realise this after so many thousand years. Some things never change

War is 'futile'? If you are going to spew left wing catch phrases please use one that isn't by definition wrong.

Here's the definition of futile:

1. incapable of producing any result; ineffective; useless; not successful: Attempting to force-feed the sick horse was futile.

2. trifling; frivolous; unimportant.

I'd say most wars are NOT futile by definition. Maybe just take another hit off the bong and say 'War sucks' instead?

:thumbsup:

 

[Deptacon]

War is not futile... It solves problems... but only when carried out UNTIL THE END..... Whoever is left standing wins.... whoever isn't....if hit hard enough...is gone from the earth and just becomes words in a history book. Sounds harsh but thats how it is...Unfortunately, we can't fight wars like this anymore... its not humane....

 

[Deptacon]

Originally posted by: Fear No Evil

Originally posted by: Barack Obama
Close to 50% of P&N threads are on the conflict. War is futile. You'd think we'd all realise this after so many thousand years. Some things never change

War is 'futile'? If you are going to spew left wing catch phrases please use one that isn't by definition wrong.

Here's the definition of futile:

1. incapable of producing any result; ineffective; useless; not successful: Attempting to force-feed the sick horse was futile.

2. trifling; frivolous; unimportant.

I'd say most wars are NOT futile by definition. Maybe just take another hit off the bong and say 'War sucks' instead?

Your forgot..... "Dude"... at the end...

 

[MotF Bane]

Originally posted by: Barack Obama
Close to 50% of P&N threads are on the conflict. War is futile. You'd think we'd all realise this after so many thousand years. Some things never change

Why are you posting? Go work with your transition team.

 

[JS80]

Originally posted by: Deptacon
War is not futile... It solves problems... but only when carried out UNTIL THE END..... Whoever is left standing wins.... whoever isn't....if hit hard enough...is gone from the earth and just becomes words in a history book. Sounds harsh but thats how it is...Unfortunately, we can't fight wars like this anymore... its not humane....

I always wondered why God ordered the Israelites to completely destroy the Canaanites. But like you said, it's not humane to fight wars like that anymore.

 

[theflyingpig]

Originally posted by: Deptacon
War is not futile... It solves problems... but only when carried out UNTIL THE END..... Whoever is left standing wins.... whoever isn't....if hit hard enough...is gone from the earth and just becomes words in a history book. Sounds harsh but thats how it is...Unfortunately, we can't fight wars like this anymore... its not humane....

This is how war should be; brutal and inhumane. If we fought wars like that it would make everyone think twice before starting one.

 

[kylebisme]

Originally posted by: Fear No Evil
War is 'futile'? If you are going to spew left wing catch phrases please use one that isn't by definition wrong.

Here's the definition of futile:

1. incapable of producing any result; ineffective; useless; not successful: Attempting to force-feed the sick horse was futile.

2. trifling; frivolous; unimportant.

I'd say most wars are NOT futile by definition. Maybe just take another hit off the bong and say 'War sucks' instead?

Exactly, was is conducted to serve a purpose. Those people who's purpose ware serves will perpetuate by any means possible as long as it continues to produce the results they desire. If we want to end a war, we have to look to see who those people, as only then can we stop the ongoing accomplishments which drive the conflict.

In this case, the only tangible results gained though this continued conflict is Israel's ongoing colonization of the Palestinian land in the West Bank, which has gone unabated for four decades now. If we wait around for those who insist on Israel's colonization Palestinian land, this conflict will likely last decades more until the Palestinian are reduced to tiny reservations like Native Americans are today. However, I doubt most of us want it to end like that or even realize the direction it is headed, and hence have no desire to stop it. That is how the West was won in history the US, and that is how the West Bank is being won by Israel now. Can we please put at stop to this madness now?

 

[her209]

Originally posted by: theflyingpig
This is how war should be; brutal and inhumane. If we fought wars like that it would make everyone think twice before starting one.

Points to Africa.

 

[Craig234]

Originally posted by: Deptacon
War is not futile... It solves problems... but only when carried out UNTIL THE END..... Whoever is left standing wins.... whoever isn't....if hit hard enough...is gone from the earth and just becomes words in a history book. Sounds harsh but thats how it is...Unfortunately, we can't fight wars like this anymore... its not humane....

One boggles that such neanderthal views can be held by anyone today. If yoiu called for legalizing rape and slavery, I'd see it as no less bad.

We hace some monstrously evil people still among us, it's clear, whatever lessons we might think war has taught us.

It appears there are always people hwo are lacking some character and quality who need to be redeemed by the spilling of blood to deal with their own insecurities.

If they can just call for justifying enough violence, somehow, it'll prove their courage or whatever it is they are missing.

Of course, the men who actually have a clue don't share that flaw:

There was never a good war or a bad peace.

Benjamin Franklin

The dangerous patriot...drifts into chauvinism and exhibits blind enthusiasm for military actions.

The dangerous patriot...is a defender of militarism and its ideals of war and glory.

Chauvinism is a proud and bellicose form of patriotism...which equates the national honor with military victory.

~Colonel James A. Donovan, Marine Corps

I hate war as only a soldier who has lived it can, only as one who has seen its brutality, its futility, its stupidity.

This world of ours...must avoid becoming a community of dreadful fear and hate, and be, instead, a proud confederation of mutual trust and respect.

~Dwight D. Eisenhower

 

[theflyingpig]

Originally posted by: her209

Originally posted by: theflyingpig
This is how war should be; brutal and inhumane. If we fought wars like that it would make everyone think twice before starting one.

Points to Africa.

No one cares about Africa.

 

[piasabird]

War is just one form of the struggle.

You can die free or you can live as a slave to communism, poverty, Facism or some other controlling factor.

Africa can solve its own problems. They have the same resources the rest of the world does!

 

[SamurAchzar]

Originally posted by: Craig234

Originally posted by: Deptacon
War is not futile... It solves problems... but only when carried out UNTIL THE END..... Whoever is left standing wins.... whoever isn't....if hit hard enough...is gone from the earth and just becomes words in a history book. Sounds harsh but thats how it is...Unfortunately, we can't fight wars like this anymore... its not humane....

One boggles that such neanderthal views can be held by anyone today. If yoiu called for legalizing rape and slavery, I'd see it as no less bad.

We hace some monstrously evil people still among us, it's clear, whatever lessons we might think war has taught us.

It appears there are always people hwo are lacking some character and quality who need to be redeemed by the spilling of blood to deal with their own insecurities.

If they can just call for justifying enough violence, somehow, it'll prove their courage or whatever it is they are missing.

Of course, the men who actually have a clue don't share that flaw:

There was never a good war or a bad peace.

Benjamin Franklin

The dangerous patriot...drifts into chauvinism and exhibits blind enthusiasm for military actions.

The dangerous patriot...is a defender of militarism and its ideals of war and glory.

Chauvinism is a proud and bellicose form of patriotism...which equates the national honor with military victory.

~Colonel James A. Donovan, Marine Corps

I hate war as only a soldier who has lived it can, only as one who has seen its brutality, its futility, its stupidity.

This world of ours...must avoid becoming a community of dreadful fear and hate, and be, instead, a proud confederation of mutual trust and respect.

~Dwight D. Eisenhower

How would you justify, then, bombing Hiroshima, or Dresden? Brutal, evil, whatever. It worked just fine, and that's what allows you to sit here and babble about new-age, allegedly universal moral values.
Who was the one saying something like "The only reason people can sleep soundly at night is because tough armed men are willing to commit horrible violence in their behalf" or something like that. Anyway, he was right.

 

[ayabe]

Originally posted by: piasabird
War is just one form of the struggle.

You can die free or you can live as a slave to communism, poverty, Facism or some other controlling factor.

Africa can solve its own problems. They have the same resources the rest of the world does!

Sure if you ignore colonialism and slavery - that's easy for people like you. So have at it.

 

[JTsyo]

I don't think what the pro-war posters were trying to say that you kill everyone and salt the lands. But if the situation is bad enough that you have to go to war, go to war with the intention to win, not with one hand tied behind your back. If anything Vietnam, should have taught us this. If you are not willing to commit to that, then don't go to war. It is very unfair to our soldiers to get involved in such wars and not give them the best chances for victory.

 

[kylebisme]

Originally posted by: SamurAchzar
How would you justify, then, bombing Hiroshima, or Dresden?

Neither were justified.

That is the whole point of the Geneva Conventions disabling such indiscriminate attacks on civilian populations, both sides in WWII committed atrocities, and the men who ended that war took what they learned from that experience to create international law in the hopes that we should never have bring such hardship on the world again.

Originally posted by: SamurAchzar
Brutal, evil, whatever. It worked just fine, and that's what allows you to sit here and babble about new-age, allegedly universal moral values.
Who was the one saying something like "The only reason people can sleep soundly at night is because tough armed men are willing to commit horrible violence in their behalf" or something like that. Anyway, he was right.

It seems you assume the only way we ever could have gotten to where we are is how we did, but the laws established for us by the men who ended WWII show they knew otherwise.

Ends never justfy means.

 

[RabidMongoose]

Originally posted by: SamurAchzar
How would you justify, then, bombing Hiroshima, or Dresden? Brutal, evil, whatever. It worked just fine, and that's what allows you to sit here and babble about new-age, allegedly universal moral values.
Who was the one saying something like "The only reason people can sleep soundly at night is because tough armed men are willing to commit horrible violence in their behalf" or something like that. Anyway, he was right.

In today's world, the bombings of Hiroshima and Dresden would be classified as a war crime and against the international laws of war.

 

[SamurAchzar]

Originally posted by: RabidMongoose

Originally posted by: SamurAchzar
How would you justify, then, bombing Hiroshima, or Dresden? Brutal, evil, whatever. It worked just fine, and that's what allows you to sit here and babble about new-age, allegedly universal moral values.
Who was the one saying something like "The only reason people can sleep soundly at night is because tough armed men are willing to commit horrible violence in their behalf" or something like that. Anyway, he was right.

In today's world, the bombings of Hiroshima and Dresden would be classified as a war crime and against the international laws of war.

That's exactly why the international laws of war are irrelevant. When it comes to defending your citizens, the only judge is the end result, not a panel in Hague.

 

[Ozoned]

Originally posted by: Barack Obama
Close to 50% of P&N threads are on the conflict. War is futile. You'd think we'd all realise this after so many thousand years. Some things never change

War has shaped the world you live in, the borders of the world map, and made possible, the basic freedoms that most people enjoy. Nobody lives a thousand years. We want what we want within our lifetime. To believe that we have evolved (as a civilization) beyond that is futile.

 

[RabidMongoose]

Originally posted by: SamurAchzar

Originally posted by: RabidMongoose

Originally posted by: SamurAchzar
How would you justify, then, bombing Hiroshima, or Dresden? Brutal, evil, whatever. It worked just fine, and that's what allows you to sit here and babble about new-age, allegedly universal moral values.
Who was the one saying something like "The only reason people can sleep soundly at night is because tough armed men are willing to commit horrible violence in their behalf" or something like that. Anyway, he was right.

In today's world, the bombings of Hiroshima and Dresden would be classified as a war crime and against the international laws of war.

That's exactly why the international laws of war are irrelevant. When it comes to defending your citizens, the only judge is the end result, not a panel in Hague.

You don't seem to understand international law. Israel can choose to violate the international laws of war if it decides to and there is no international force that can directly punish Israel for such illegal acts. However, the violation of the international laws of war will justify actions from other countries against Israel.

 

[kylebisme]

Originally posted by: RabidMongoose
You don't seem to understand international law. Israel can choose to violate the international laws of war if it decides to and there is no international force that can directly punish Israel for such illegal acts.

Israel has, since it's inception, here is a short list:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/L...ions_concerning_Israel

Originally posted by: RabidMongoose
However, the violation of the international laws of war will justify actions from other countries against Israel.

Yet no one willing to go up against Israel has the power to accomplish anything by doing so.

 

[SamurAchzar]

You just reinforce my position that the international law is irrelevant. It's not enforceable and not practical. Do you really think the US would consider the international law if it stands in its way to its goals?