What's the right way to stop China's development on high-tech?

[Ken g6]

Wouldn't it be nice if we could disabuse ourselves of the idea of "intellectual property"? I've heard a Libertarian argument that trade secrets are a better way to go than patents. If a trade secret is stolen, there is no recourse; it has to be carefully guarded or given up on. American companies sharing their trade secrets just need to make sure they are properly compensated first.

 

[JohnsonLeo]

More strict and widely export control or technology embargo is the first thing America government can do.

The next should be more strict information access control. There are many free technology resources on the internet. They are free for the people who respect personal freedom. It should not be free for the country who restrict their people‘s freedom of speech and block them to access the world wide internet. For this kind country, any help on improving their technology is crime.

 

[Maxima1]

sad and funny to see Americans getting their asses kicked by cultures and societies that still compete, prize education and intellectualism and don't believe everyone is entitled to a trophy (high paying job),

Notice how Canada ranks high? Why isn't the US considering the similarities? Oh, right. More minorities dragging the numbers down. So when you adjust, the US starts looking fine compared to the more homogeneous countries.

http://www.businessinsider.com/pisa-worldwide-ranking-of-math-science-reading-skills-2016-12
https://nces.ed.gov/surveys/pisa/pisa2015/pisa2015highlights_3f.asp

Another thing to consider is that there are many high paying jobs in the US that aren't dabbling in STEM subjects all that much. In addition, we take in many immigrants who cause downward pressure on STEM wages, which makes them less appealing. A lot of the elite like to act like there is a big shortage in STEM, but that's not really the truth.

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/11/01/education/edlife/stem-jobs-industry-careers.html

 

[WHAMPOM]

Maybe the question should be: how to prevent China from stealing other country's high technology？

Trade war or raise tariffs is not the right way. More strict export control, outbound investment control, information access control is the right way.

First you should read up the history of the USA stealing European patents and copyright materials in its first century and the boost in technology created after importing German scientists at the end of WW II.
The number of recent immigrants creating those American innovations will astound you too.

 

[brandonbull]

America will never beat china in anything ever again. You can just forget about that.


1.3 billion people raised in a far better education system and totally lacking "conservative" idiots to drag down their country.... OP you'll be begging to buy Chinese products instead of your overpriced non-tariffed "Made in USA" garbage in 10 years. You'll be driving a chinese car, using a chinese washing machine... but of course you'll also be wearing US made clothes (probably from Ivanka's clothing line) because those won't be tariffed. LOL.

We should start by removing the Liberal influence in our education and society. We are more worried about hurt feelings and being SJW than actual quality education and raising adults ready to compete against the world. In another 10 years, the US will be the undisputed leaders in safe spaces and white privilege, but don't ask about adding 1 plus 1 because little "whatstheirname" will get triggered.

 

[bshole]

Maybe the question should be: how to prevent China from stealing other country's high technology？

Trade war or raise tariffs is not the right way. More strict export control, outbound investment control, information access control is the right way.

China will OWN the United States in technology in a decade or two. The Chinese government is setting goals and meeting them. Objectively China's government is doing far far more for it's citizens than America's. They are going to be a mega-power that will be far more dominant than America was at its apex. I am completely sold on China. Their rise is the most startling occurrence in my lifetime. I just hope they don't decide to get some payback on Japan.

China’s push to take over global technology leadership is relentless. It wants to lead in computing, semiconductors, research and development, and clean energy. It is accelerating science investment as the U.S. retreats.

China may be planning a moon base. Surprised? Don’t be. It will soon have a manned space station. It is investing heavily in quantum technologies and it wants to be first to build an exascale supercomputer.

In 2010, Computerworld looked at “Five reasons why China will rule tech.” Here's an update, and the case for China has grown stronger.

A Chinese lunar base is a long way off. China has targeted 2036 for landing on the moon. But what these efforts illustrate is how China thinks big and long term. China has established a goal of becoming a global scientific power by 2050, according to a report prepared for the Economic and Security Review Commission in 2011.

While American politicians cut federal support to R&D, China sees science as the future and is investing heavily into it.

China’s investment in R&D is rising so rapidly that the country is expected to surpass the U.S. in overall spending by 2020.

Right now, China has the worlds most powerful computer:

China has the world’s fastest supercomputer at about 125 petaflops built with its own chips. A petaflop system can perform one quadrillion arithmetic operations per second. An exascale system is 1,000 petaflops, and China is on track to produce a system well before the U.S.

https://www.computerworld.com/artic...ns-why-china-will-rule-tech-2017-edition.html

 

[bshole]

We should start by removing the Liberal influence in our education and society. We are more worried about hurt feelings and being SJW than actual quality education and raising adults ready to compete against the world. In another 10 years, the US will be the undisputed leaders in safe spaces and white privilege, but don't ask about adding 1 plus 1 because little "whatstheirname" will get triggered.

But he is correct. The Chinese are in the top 10 for intelligence while America is not even in the top 25. While the Chinese are raising their greatest generation, we are raising our most useless one. Their government is completely sold on tech and investing heavily into it. China overtaking and dominating America is a given at this point. What is unknown is exactly how far will America will fall. I could see other countries passing up America in the future.

Honestly I believe Asians represent humanity's best chance for the future... if they don't get infected with the lazy drone culture of America. I see this in my own children and it makes me physically ill. Shit tons of empathy but not a god damn shred of competence, personal agency or intellectual curiosity.

 

[jmagg]

Honestly I believe Asians represent humanity's best chance for the future... if they don't get infected with the lazy drone culture of America. I see this in my own children and it makes me physically ill. Shit tons of empathy but not a god damn shred of competence, personal agency or intellectual curiosity.

The things we teach our children at a young age shape their lives.

 

[thilanliyan]

We should start by removing the Liberal influence in our education and society.

If it wasn't for "liberals", we might still be forced to believe the sun revolves around the earth
Maybe if the people in power actually believed in science and facts, it might enable them to set some policy to actually compete, instead of propping up dead/dying industries.

 

[bshole]

If it wasn't for "liberals", we might still be forced to believe the sun revolves around the earth
Maybe if the people in power actually believed in science and facts, it might enable them to set some policy to actually compete, instead of propping up dead/dying industries.

While we point the blame at each other, China will lead.

From a horse-and-cart economy just three decades ago, China is not only being transformed: its lack of legacy technology infrastructure, and a ruthlessly hypercompetitive private sector, are leapfrogging in ways most of the rest of the world can barely imagine. China’s Huawei in 2015 became the world’s biggest issuer of new international patents. According to the World Intellectual Property Organisation, domestic patent applications inside China have soared from nothing at the start of the century to 928,000 in 2014 – 40 per cent more than the US’s 579,000 and almost three times Japan’s 326,000.

China’s engineers – whoops, party officials – have not simply been driven by the quest for technology leadership, or fear of reliance on technology from overseas. They hate its gigantic deficit in royalty and licence fees to foreign technology-holders. From zero payments for intellectual property in 2000, China today pays royalty and licence fees of almost US$20bn. Since its companies currently earn a meagre US$1 billion a year in such payments from foreign companies, that means an intellectual property deficit of over US$18bn.