Yes. And I think there's nothing that great about the school. The only thing that has it going is great football and alums. Other than that, UCLA rules it hands down in terms of quality of education. Now if you go there for an MBA at Marshall, then it's a different story.
Yes. And I think there's nothing that great about the school. The only thing that has it going is great football and alums. Other than that, UCLA rules it hands down in terms of quality of education. Now if you go there for an MBA at Marshall, then it's a different story.
zinfamous
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graduate? You're approaching this like you're going for undergrad. You look at the specific program, not the school. Which faculty is there? Are you doing research? Is the program relevant to your research--is the top person in the field on their faculty? etc....
stop thinking "USC" and think "Engineering grad program." School reputation means shit for grad school. (does hold sway for med school, of course...but that isn't grad school, now is it.
)According to CollegeBoard.com, you're only half right. UCLA has a much higher percentage of kids with a >3.75 GPA. On the other hand, USC has higher SAT scores. It appears that the schools look for different things in their applicants.
Inaccurate statement. UCLA quality of education is not that much better than USC. UCLA doesn't even have an undergrad business program. I had to settle for Econ/minor accounting. And you have it opposite for b-school. I'd say Anderson has a better alumni base than Marshall.
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an undergrad business program is one of the most useless degrees out there. Even amongst places like KPMG, McKinsey, Accenture, etc, you can apply as an intern with virtually any undergrad degree as you'll be trained in-house while everyone is fully aware that undergrad business majors learn nothing.
In my opinion, business should be a graduate school major for people who are actually established in the field and want enhance their current line of work.
I disagree. Within an undergraduate business program, there are specializations. Finance, Accounting, MIS, etc. You can learn more than you think. I don't see it any less useless than an econ or polisci degree
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UCLA is known to be the most holistic of the UC's. Last I heard, more people apply to UCLA than any other school in California, so even with similar academic numbers, they have the flexibility of sifting through a ton of other factors in determining who gets in. That is why so many people have amazing personnal stories there.
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I myself am an engineer, and worked as a consultant, and have plenty of engineering friends end up working in finance, and remarkably applied for positions at an advantage over finance majors because major corporations 'like the way engineers think.' What I'm saying is, while those specializations exist within business, having the major gives very little advantage over those with a degree in something else. Sorry to say, but it's just not a very deep major, and companies know that training a business major vs training any other technical major will yield largely the same product.
I can't really speak more on this subject as this is the extent of my knowledge on it, but I'm sure you get the point.
zinfamous
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uh...no. it's fucking useless.
you're essentially wasting 4 years of time "learning" what is essentially common sense to most people, and an elevated understanding to successful business people. i.e, the ones that didn't waste their time in BS business bachelors degrees and are earning money.
business is experience, NOT academics. Don't waste your time, don't waste a University's time/money for something so useless as a BA in business. they even try to claim it as a "science" these days. fucking ridiculous.
econ is rote statistics. business is about manipulating the numbers to effect your client, or your group. econ, if you're any good, is about ignoring meaningless correlations and trusting the numbers that matter.
Business deviates as far from science as it possibly can, and still wants to call itself science. "Marketing" degree? WTF is that?
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Eh, the math in the SAT's dont go higher than Algebra II. SAT is not about what you know about the subject content, its about if you know how to take a test. Not defending GPA either. You can take all easy classes and easily get a 4.0 or you can take AP classes and get a 3.0. These schools try to take a look at the bigger picture, which is hard since all schooling in this country has been all about standardized testing now.
I got accepted into UCLA for the fall, and my unweighted GPA was 3.4 and my SAT scores were 1790, far below the average.
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Originally posted by: zinfamous
graduate? You're approaching this like you're going for undergrad. You look at the specific program, not the school. Which faculty is there? Are you doing research? Is the program relevant to your research--is the top person in the field on their faculty? etc....
stop thinking "USC" and think "Engineering grad program." School reputation means shit for grad school. (does hold sway for med school, of course...but that isn't grad school, now is it.
^^^
Bingo.
Think about THE Dept. you're studying. USC Grad Engineering is good (look at their placement dept. for relevant info.). NO OTHER SIDE FACTORS matter (i.e. undergrad rep, college life, etc).
Now, saying this, I think the well known USC undergrad pimping/spinning stats for USNWR is a joke. They admit TONS of kids in Spring semester with way lower stats which would substantially skew their "reported" average. The admission dept. also only reports the best Verbal and Math SAT from different sittings to further pad their stats. Rep-wise nationwide, it's nowhere near UCLA. UCLA, as a whole, is waaay stronger--even USNWR shows the much higher academic rep value. All these ignorant statements about undergrad connections is silly--a student has to go out and source a job--just b/c you went to school X doesn't mean preferential treatment (you still need the requisite work background and gpa). On the East Coast, a UCLA degree will get you an interview at a bank....a USC degree, never, unless the student had a 4.0 and interned every summer. The disparity is a backbreaker.
<----no relation to either school.
Originally posted by: dr150
Originally posted by: zinfamous
graduate? You're approaching this like you're going for undergrad. You look at the specific program, not the school. Which faculty is there? Are you doing research? Is the program relevant to your research--is the top person in the field on their faculty? etc....
stop thinking "USC" and think "Engineering grad program." School reputation means shit for grad school. (does hold sway for med school, of course...but that isn't grad school, now is it.
^^^
Bingo.
Think about THE Dept. you're studying. USC Grad Engineering is good (look at their placement dept. for relevant info.). NO OTHER SIDE FACTORS matter (i.e. undergrad rep, college life, etc).
Now, saying this, I think the well known USC undergrad pimping/spinning stats for USNWR is a joke. They admit TONS of kids in Spring semester with way lower stats which would substantially skew their "reported" average. The admission dept. also only reports the best Verbal and Math SAT from different sittings to further pad their stats. Rep-wise nationwide, it's nowhere near UCLA. UCLA, as a whole, is waaay stronger--even USNWR shows the much higher academic rep value. All these ignorant statements about undergrad connections is silly--a student has to go out and source a job--just b/c you went to school X doesn't mean preferential treatment (you still need the requisite work background and gpa). On the East Coast, a UCLA degree will get you an interview at a bank....a USC degree, never, unless the student had a 4.0 and interned every summer. The disparity is a backbreaker.
<----no relation to either school.
I know the grad engineering program is pretty decent and it will open more doors for me (I plan to live and work in the southern cali area), but a USC degree is not that recognized on the east coast?
dr150
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Originally posted by: Dear Summer
Originally posted by: dr150
Originally posted by: zinfamous
graduate? You're approaching this like you're going for undergrad. You look at the specific program, not the school. Which faculty is there? Are you doing research? Is the program relevant to your research--is the top person in the field on their faculty? etc....
stop thinking "USC" and think "Engineering grad program." School reputation means shit for grad school. (does hold sway for med school, of course...but that isn't grad school, now is it.
^^^
Bingo.
Think about THE Dept. you're studying. USC Grad Engineering is good (look at their placement dept. for relevant info.). NO OTHER SIDE FACTORS matter (i.e. undergrad rep, college life, etc).
Now, saying this, I think the well known USC undergrad pimping/spinning stats for USNWR is a joke. They admit TONS of kids in Spring semester with way lower stats which would substantially skew their "reported" average. The admission dept. also only reports the best Verbal and Math SAT from different sittings to further pad their stats. Rep-wise nationwide, it's nowhere near UCLA. UCLA, as a whole, is waaay stronger--even USNWR shows the much higher academic rep value. All these ignorant statements about undergrad connections is silly--a student has to go out and source a job--just b/c you went to school X doesn't mean preferential treatment (you still need the requisite work background and gpa). On the East Coast, a UCLA degree will get you an interview at a bank....a USC degree, never, unless the student had a 4.0 and interned every summer. The disparity is a backbreaker.
<----no relation to either school.
I know the grad engineering program is pretty decent and it will open more doors for me (I plan to live and work in the southern cali area), but a USC degree is not that recognized on the east coast?
You misunderstand. I'm talking undergrad.
Your specific GRADUATE DEGREE from SC Engineering is a WHOLLY DIFFERENT SITUATION. The engineering grad dept. is respected and can, in a good economy, get you an interview back East in your field (provided you have the requisite work background). You wouldn't be applying to Goldman Sachs (unless you're Applied Math)....you'd be applying to GE or Honeywell.
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Originally posted by: Dear Summer
I know the grad engineering program is pretty decent and it will open more doors for me (I plan to live and work in the southern cali area), but a USC degree is not that recognized on the east coast?
Yeah 'SC definitely holds more cred on the westcoast.
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