What's the problem? Artifacts and lock-ups on new nForce 2 and 2500+. Mobo back from RMA, still problem!

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Cerb

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Originally posted by: Swanny
Ok, it's had 1h30m wall time on Memtest and has passed 5 times. No errors.

I have not tried the AGP card yet. But what if the problem is the onboard video? This is a computer I'm building for someone else, so it needs to use the onboard video. Is the problem likely something I can fix or will the board have to be RMAed?
RMA for refund ASAP. Get a Asus or Biostar to replace it.
 

Cerb

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Originally posted by: Markfw900
I still think its the motherboard. You could some known working memory though, that is a distinct possibility. I have never seen a CPU do anything like that.
If it was RAM, though, he'd surely have some more random BSODs. No way there's that many errors (enough to cause lots of artifacts) and it runs just fine until he messes w/ video settings.

Originally posted by: mechBgon
Also try bumping the memory voltage to at least 2.6V if it isn't there already, and confirm that the WD is jumpered for Single-Drive (usually meaning, no jumper on the pins). And personally, MSI motherboards are something I'd steer clear of lately. Good luck Swanny :)
(emphasis added)

 

Markfw

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Originally posted by: MCrusty
doh...i just saw it..

Maybe try a more powerful power supply.

300 watt antec, listed at the top. Not a problem

Edit, and yes cerb, thats what I was thinks, and said that as my first guess.
 

Swanny

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But how could the integrated video be the problem if a seperate graphics had the problem too?

And yes, the two other sticks of RAM I tried are known to be working.
 

Swanny

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Now this is interesting. After a Windows reinstall I see no artifacts. This is a completely fresh install and I haven't put anything on yet. I guess I'll just see when it starts to display the artifacts again. Hopefully it doesn't and I can get this thing out the door.
 

Swanny

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Ok, the artifacts appeared just after installing the display drivers included on the CD from MSI. I got a blue screen, too. The message was:

*** win32k.sys - Address BF87AE0A at base BF800000
 

Cerb

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Originally posted by: Swanny
Ok, the artifacts appeared just after installing the display drivers included on the CD from MSI. I got a blue screen, too. The message was:



*** win32k.sys - Address BF87AE0A at base BF800000
What about Windows Update?
If newer drivers don't completely clear the problem, RMA the board.
 

Swanny

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Originally posted by: Cerb
Originally posted by: Swanny
Ok, the artifacts appeared just after installing the display drivers included on the CD from MSI. I got a blue screen, too. The message was:



*** win32k.sys - Address BF87AE0A at base BF800000
What about Windows Update?
If newer drivers don't completely clear the problem, RMA the board.

LOL, the board just got back from RMA yesterday!! Its predecesor did the same thing.
 

Cerb

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Originally posted by: Swanny
Originally posted by: Cerb
Originally posted by: Swanny
Ok, the artifacts appeared just after installing the display drivers included on the CD from MSI. I got a blue screen, too. The message was:

*** win32k.sys - Address BF87AE0A at base BF800000
What about Windows Update?

If newer drivers don't completely clear the problem, RMA the board.
LOL, the board just got back from RMA yesterday!! Its predecesor did the same thing.
I didn't notice the post dates, yikes...could you not get another board? There are cheaper w/ the same feature set.
I'd say the board doesn't like the PSU or RAM at this point. Not that it's a bad PSU or bad RAM. I built a PC w/ the last MSI board I used that didn't like a Sparkle 300w. Perfectly good PSU (currently running the house's file server), but wouldn't soft shut down or soft reboot. From previous experiences (2x fried K7T Pro2-A), and then that, I got to having mechBgon's opinion.
ECS, Asus, Abit and Shuttle have all been fine thus far (a few bad ECS boards, I'll admit, but they are obviously bad; never a hassle).
 

Dennis Travis

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At this point, I would say try another Power Supply. I have never seen a CPU do that with the video. Blue screens yes but not the video artifacts. You did say you tried other RAM so that rules that out. It did it with an AGP Video card so that rules out even the shared memory. The only thing left if the Power Supply. Do you have one you can try? Cerb is right that some boards don't like some PS's for some reason.

MSI has gone down hill the last say 2 years or so. Got a few for builds and had nothing but problems. If the Power Supply does not solve it I would say try to get a Refund and get an Asus or Abit NForce II board. You have gone through way too much trouble with that MSI.

 

Swanny

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Ok, I think I've got the problem narrowed down. Things don't start going wrong till I install display drivers. When I install the latest nVidia Dets, the artifacts start happening. When I system restore to before the Dets, they go away. Same thing with the drivers on the mobo CD.

So, what does this mean? Where can I find drivers that won't screw up my display? Maybe I should try installing the latest Catalysts!
 

ScrapSilicon

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this latest..is this a fresh install with XP(Home/Pro)..? see if this artifacting happens with 98/Me as well.. ..it is possible to have gotten another bad board..I think there was a thread on here where the guy ended up with 3 or 4 before got one that was good. <edit> just saw this..WD 800JB wasn't something about WD and nForce..yes..out there but ...:roll:
 

Swanny

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Originally posted by: ScrapSilicon
this latest..is this a fresh install with XP(Home/Pro)..? see if this artifacting happens with 98/Me as well.. ..it is possible to have gotten another bad board..I think there was a thread on here where the guy ended up with 3 or 4 before got one that was good. <edit> just saw this..WD 800JB wasn't something about WD and nForce..yes..out there but ...:roll:

OS is XP Home. And what's this about Western Digitals?
 

Swanny

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Ok, I might be wrong about the drivers. I'm seeing some transient artifacts even without the video drivers installed.

One strange thing:
With the video drivers installed, IE crashes randomly. I have no idea why.
 

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I have a side business building PC's. I have used many MSI boards, as well as other brands over the last 8 years. Although I can't remember running into artifacts appearing on screen, there is one thing I can say about MSI boards, at least for my experience. My biggest complaint is compatibility issues with other hardware. I have run into this problem with various pieces of hardware, not any brand or piece of hardware in particular. Just about 4 months ago, I was putting in a Toshiba DVD drive in for a customer with a MSI board. It caused erratic bahaviour in WinXP, even with all other hardware unplugged. I put the same drive in 6 other computers in my office and it worked flawless, and has been since. I've had similiar issues like this with memory, video cards, etc... It's possible this may be what's going on in your case.
 

sandorski

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Have you replaced the power supply yet(forgive me if I missed the answer if given)?
 

Mem

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OK, I followed everyone's advice and bought an Asus to replace the MSI. Guess what? SAME PROBLEM!!

What could possible be causing this? I saw artifacts in the GUI part of the windows install now!

The CPU is now the only thing I haven't changed out. Is it possible that this is a CPU problem?

It`s very possible,only way to rule that out is to try a different CPU,only other thing I can think of is IDE cables ,have you tried changing them,at this stage I would rule out every possible hardware however small or unimportant it may be.
 

Swanny

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Originally posted by: mechBgon
Tried a different monitor yet? :confused:

No, but the monitor is on a KVM switch and is known to be working. The tech I talked to at MSI said that if it works fine with my other computers (which it does) it shouldn't be a problem.