What's the point of serving life in prison?

[Codewiz]

The ignorance here is AMAZING.

The death penalty costs more to implement for a prisoner than just keeping them in prison for life. So all you whiners about cost, you should be supporting life in prison over death penalty.....

 

[IceBergSLiM]

Originally posted by: Codewiz
The ignorance here is AMAZING.

The death penalty costs more to implement for a prisoner than just keeping them in prison for life. So all you whiners about cost, you should be supporting life in prison over death penalty.....

no we should be supporting cheaper implementations of hte death penalty. It should not cost more than a handful of bullets.

 

[FoBoT]

Originally posted by: Codewiz
The ignorance here is AMAZING.

The death penalty costs more to implement for a prisoner than just keeping them in prison for life. So all you whiners about cost, you should be supporting life in prison over death penalty.....

it wouldn't if you just shot them after they were convicted

 

[yowolabi]

Originally posted by: FoBoT

Originally posted by: Codewiz
The ignorance here is AMAZING.

The death penalty costs more to implement for a prisoner than just keeping them in prison for life. So all you whiners about cost, you should be supporting life in prison over death penalty.....

it wouldn't if you just shot them after they were convicted

Will you volunteer yourself or a relative as the first person to be shot immediately after being falsely convicted?

 

[captains]

to waste tax payer dollars

 

[IceBergSLiM]

Originally posted by: yowolabi

Originally posted by: FoBoT

Originally posted by: Codewiz
The ignorance here is AMAZING.

The death penalty costs more to implement for a prisoner than just keeping them in prison for life. So all you whiners about cost, you should be supporting life in prison over death penalty.....

it wouldn't if you just shot them after they were convicted

Will you volunteer yourself or a relative as the first person to be shot immediately after being falsely convicted?

thats becoming more and more rare with dna and forensics.

 

[Codewiz]

Originally posted by: IcebergSlim

Originally posted by: yowolabi

Originally posted by: FoBoT

Originally posted by: Codewiz
The ignorance here is AMAZING.

The death penalty costs more to implement for a prisoner than just keeping them in prison for life. So all you whiners about cost, you should be supporting life in prison over death penalty.....

it wouldn't if you just shot them after they were convicted

Will you volunteer yourself or a relative as the first person to be shot immediately after being falsely convicted?

thats becoming more and more rare with dna and forensics.

Actually it is becoming more and more obvious that we have falsely imprisoned people......

It is still a fact today that innocent people are sent to jail. Until our justice system is changed to make the death penalty cheaper, life in prison is the best option financially.

You can run your amount about how the death penalty should be cheaper but that isn't the reality that we live in. Until that becomes a reality, you have zero argument.

life in prison is the way to go when it comes to the tax payers dollar.

 

[JeffreyLebowski]

Originally posted by: cherrytwist
To find God.

Well Jesus is 2 cells down. He'll help you find God.

As far as forgiveness, that's only if you selectively choose parts of the bible to follow. Remember, in the Old Testament, God was wrathful and vengful, but that doesn't make you feel so good does it?

 

[alkemyst]

Originally posted by: vital
From a prisoner's perspective, what's the point? wouldn't you rather just die than to get assraped and have nothing to look forward to in life?

There is always the chance of parole no matter how many sentences. Some people can still run their lives from prison and not all are the victims in it.

It still is not a place anyone wants to be.

 

[BeauJangles]

Originally posted by: Modelworks

Originally posted by: BlinderBomber



First, I doubt it had a 90% success rate. What does a 90% success rate even mean?

Second, life in prison, back in the day, frequently meant a 20 - 25 year sentence with the possibility of parole. It was believed that after so many years the prisoner would no longer be a reasonable threat to society. Only recently (past 20 years), has the justice system started making life in prison mean life in prison and, often, this change keeps prisoners who aren't big threats to society anymore behind bars at an enormous cost to the taxpayer.

It had a 90% success rate.
Meaning that 90% of those that completed the program did not return to prison.

Do you have any sources for this claim? I find it hard to believe that such a study even exists. I also have a hard time believing it says anything at all about the success of this program. the results would be biased based on who was placed into this program. For example, if you told me that most of the guys were white collar criminals, or stupid suburban punk kids, I might believe your 90% success rate. In that case, though, what has the study really proven? If I am 80% unlikely to return to jail and this program simply boosts my chances of not returning by 10%, that isn't really anything worth writing home about.

Now, if, on the other hand, the program took high-risk individuals who were 90% likely to return to jail and transformed that into 90% unlikely to return, then I'd be impressed.

My point is, don't place too much faith in these 'tough love' programs. Correctional facilities have been trying to use them for years, and there's a reason they don't have widespread implementation.

 

[Gunslinger08]

Life in prison without the possibility of parole really makes no sense to me. It's a waste of tax payers' money and of other peoples' lives. If you're already a lifer, you have no reason to not kill anyone who pisses you off or could win you some favor.

 

[fisheerman]

I say put them all to work. Hard labor.

We need roads built, streets cleaned, etc.

If i ran the prison system there would be no free rides.

I think that is what is wrong with the "prison sentence" as a deterant.

As long as there are criminals sitting around we shouldn't have any trash in the streets

 

[FoBoT]

we all have to die sometime/no one is innocent

 

[DangerAardvark]

Originally posted by: FoBoT
we all have to die sometime/no one is innocent

Are you volunteering?

 

[ViviTheMage]

think about what you've done

 

[BooGiMaN]

like someone said people fear death

you have no idea of what happens after you die so you cling to life....at least you have a clue of what going to prison for the rest of your life is going to be like....

people fear the unknown and death in this case is irreversible..it not like you can change your mind and opt for life once you are dead

 

[Modelworks]

Originally posted by: BlinderBomber

Do you have any sources for this claim? I find it hard to believe that such a study even exists. I also have a hard time believing it says anything at all about the success of this program. the results would be biased based on who was placed into this program. For example, if you told me that most of the guys were white collar criminals, or stupid suburban punk kids, I might believe your 90% success rate. In that case, though, what has the study really proven? If I am 80% unlikely to return to jail and this program simply boosts my chances of not returning by 10%, that isn't really anything worth writing home about.

Now, if, on the other hand, the program took high-risk individuals who were 90% likely to return to jail and transformed that into 90% unlikely to return, then I'd be impressed.

My point is, don't place too much faith in these 'tough love' programs. Correctional facilities have been trying to use them for years, and there's a reason they don't have widespread implementation.

The source is the program lockdown on msnbc.
The program was tried at a prison for two years before being dismantled because of cries that it was going back to slavery, that they were breaking peoples rights.
The people in the program were given the choice of complete the program or spend 20 years in jail. Most were repeat offenders. It wasn't a tough love type program or a program to put people down.

Instead it was a program that took everything away from the inmate and made them earn the right to have everything, including food. Once they got to a certain point they would work on building self esteem by showing the inmates that they could excel at things if they applied themselves.

I think I have seen every episode of lockdown and its an eye opener.
There are prisoners who hold up in cells and store feces in toothpaste tubes just so they can squeeze it out at guards.
Those same prisoners are handled with care, given tv in cells, canteen, coffee makers in the cells, they got everything they need why wouldn't they want to come back.

jails like they are now are based on being penitent , hence the name penitentiary
Its a concept that died years ago, people now a days don't give a damn what God thinks.

Instead I think the above program is the right idea.
Build that person back up from the start, show them they can be someone decent.
But then, your breaking peoples rights if you don't baby them.