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PJABBER

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I want to say her approval rating amongst republicans is like 60%... but it's practically nil among independents.

The polling I see shows Her at around 30% with independents. Compare that with 40% for Obama.

If you add up a sweeping and enthusiastic Republican approval with that percentage of Independents, She has a very strong base to work from should She shift from being a kingmaker to a candidate. Which is Buchanan's point.

2012 is still a ways off should She even choose to run. It is likely that She can only go up in her approvals.

Obama, on the other hand, has a much harder hill to climb as his record is truly abysmal and likely to only grow worse.

The die hard libs will support him, of course, but with war coming to the Mid-East, with unemployment pegging near 10%, with another wave of home foreclosures due, with even more massive government spending on the way, with a whole slew of anti-energy, anti-jobs legislation and EPA edicts on the way while the Gulf oil spill comes home to roost at the White House, only the progressives will be charitable with one of the worst presidents of the modern era.
 
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PJABBER

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Thanks for that link. I read Politico almost daily as it is free here on the streets of DC but I must have skipped over that story.

While the story emphasizes the distinctions, it should point out that the agreements between the two "sides" are much more powerful than the disagreements.

The Tea Party is first and foremost about the government's fiscal irresponsibility and secondly about an overriding anger at big government's disenfranchisement of the taxpaying population. Everything else that gets thrown in there is not that important.

Independents may value the "everything else" more, but they are not immune to the growing dismay at the directions taken by the Dems.

Palin taps in that anger very well, so does Paul. Paul is unlikely to generate enough of a base to carry the Republican nomination. Palin, on the other hand, may.

If Palin continues to be a kingmaker and continues to gather chit after chit, she will have a very broad and powerful backing come primary time.

And the R's do vote more as a block than do the D's. It would only take a small percentage of Independents to go R and a small percentage of Ds to sit out the election for us to see an R back in the White House in 2012.

Obama has used up all of his chits. He has squandered, absolutely squandered the billions he has borrowed from China to prop up the Democrat's voting base. Imagine if he had actually spent those billions on construction rather than payoffs, how much more popular he would be right now? And how much better off the country would be?
 

PJABBER

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Fleecing Red Assed Wingnuts like you out of their hard earned money don't ya know

As a former stockbroker, ahem, investments adviser, I resent your implication that I even can be fleeced, much less need to be a wing nut to fleece anyone out of their hard earned money.

Fleecing is for tyros. My clients threw their money at me. Some stuck.
 
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bamacre

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Everything else that gets thrown in there is not that important.

Maybe not important to you, but important to many.

Independents may value the "everything else" more, but they are not immune to the growing dismay at the directions taken by the Dems.

It's the independents who decide elections. And her half, your half, don't offer the independents anything, at least not nearly enough. They are the ones who don't have short memories, the memories of the "big government" Republican party. That part of the party which hasn't changed, and doesn't seem to want to. That part of the party which doesn't seem to understand that the warfare state is just as "big government" as the welfare state, and that social conservatism and "limited government" just don't mix.
 

PJABBER

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Maybe not important to you, but important to many.

Well, less important to me, and likely because I am a finance guy.

It's the independents who decide elections. And her half, your half, don't offer the independents anything, at least not nearly enough. They are the ones who don't have short memories, the memories of the "big government" Republican party. That part of the party which hasn't changed, and doesn't seem to want to. That part of the party which doesn't seem to understand that the warfare state is just as "big government" as the welfare state, and that social conservatism and "limited government" just don't mix.
I rather think there is a pressing memory that the Republicans blew it when they reneged on the Contract With America. Doesn't mean they can't try again. Particularly when we have seen the Dems completely blow any expectation that they will be in the least constrained in their deficit spending.

A war, particularly a war in the oil producing region of the Middle East is a game changer. I don't care where you stand on the political spectrum, the country will have to deal with some extensive consequences and all the current best laid plans of mice and men will be for naught.

The political consequences are going to be the least of most people's concerns, but the fate of all politicians will rest on what they decide to do or not do.
 

Jhhnn

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Palin's just in it for the money, and she's made plenty since she jumped ship as Alaska's governor. She's now working for the big rightwing noise machine, and they pay exceedingly well, obviously.

She'll say and do whatever they want, because the money's right. It's prostitution at a whole different level.
 

CallMeJoe

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Ms. Palin's pragmatism in endorsing selected establishment Republican candidates may have unfortunate consequences for your current inamorata; an Associated Press story in this morning's Spartanburg Herald Journal notes significant Tea Party backlash against her betrayal of Conservative Principal. The Terry Branstad and Carly Fiorina endorsements seem to especially rankle the Tea Party Purists...
 

highland145

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Any idea what she got paid, if anything, by sticking her nose into S.C. politics? Barrett just about had the Gov's job in the bag until she supported that "beloved patriot.":sneaky: Appears like the wife is unemployed because of it.
 

CallMeJoe

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Any idea what she got paid, if anything, by sticking her nose into S.C. politics? Barrett just about had the Gov's job in the bag until she supported that "beloved patriot.":sneaky: Appears like the wife is unemployed because of it.
Representative Haley's third-party "Tea Party" ads were gaining traction even before the Palin endorsement - that's why Congressman Barrett (through proxies) sued the PAC to pull the ads. His lame "Drill Sergeant" ad was easily countered by the plethora of spots tarring him with his bailout votes. I don't think even South Carolina voters are gullible enough to fall for his "I voted for it when it was an Honest Republican Bailout but voted against it when it was an Evil Democrat Bailout" line.
My sympathies to your wife, but IMHO, Gresham Barrett is a political hack quite deserving of his involuntary retirement. Not that any of the other Goobers in the Goobernatorial race are very much more qualified for the job...
 

highland145

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Representative Haley's third-party "Tea Party" ads were gaining traction even before the Palin endorsement - that's why Congressman Barrett (through proxies) sued the PAC to pull the ads. His lame "Drill Sergeant" ad was easily countered by the plethora of spots tarring him with his bailout votes. I don't think even South Carolina voters are gullible enough to fall for his "I voted for it when it was an Honest Republican Bailout but voted against it when it was an Evil Democrat Bailout" line.
My sympathies to your wife, but IMHO, Gresham Barrett is a political hack quite deserving of his involuntary retirement. Not that any of the other Goobers in the Goobernatorial race are very much more qualified for the job...
I fully agree. Told her a long time ago that they had better come up with answers for the bail out and his "low number count" voting record. Not to mention the apparent "lack of campaigning." More that one person has asked me about it. He got an endorsement from Cheney(80% approval in S.C.) and I never heard it in the media. Poorly run at best.

But hey. He has tenure. Gets his congressional pay/insurance from now on. Thank you taxpayers.

Any idea if Palin got $$ for the endorsement?
 

jman19

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Interesting take.

Palin's problem is that she has been turned into a caricature by the media and she will have to figure out a way to over come that.

As long as the popular view of her is as an airhead she won't have a chance.

Her best bet would to become a power broker and waiting a few more cycles and maybe make a run in 2020 etc. She is still very young.

Yeah, it is the media's fault that she comes across as a talking point spewing fool... good one PJ!
 

Lanyap

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Looks like she found yet another way to irritate the left.


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The new ad.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fsUVL6ciK-c


Palin touts 'mama grizzlies' in new ad
http://news.yahoo.com/s/yblog_upshot/20100708/pl_yblog_upshot/palin-touts-mama-grizzlies-in-new-ad
 

Perknose

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The endorsement of Branstad suggests Palin, a politician of principle...

Christ, PJ, you post the most laughable, long-winded horseshit! :eek:

Sarah Palin's foresmost principle it to take the free clothes and now the money and run . . . for whatever will get her more money and attention!

Did she casually abandon her duly elected position as governor of Alaska in order to be a FULL TIME Media Whore out of . . principle?

Sarah Palin, a politician of principle! HOW can you post such tendentious bullcrap and look yourself in the fucking mirror each morning??? :twisted:
 

StageLeft

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She is truly an embarrassment for the USA. When the world looks at her they wonder wtf, but then Palin supporters are like "Well screw you guys anyway, this is the US of A and we don't give a sh*t about what no foreigners think anyway! Yee haw!"

She is why there should be a basic test before being allowed to vote. I mean, fvck it, even basic math question like what's 7*8 and you have to do it without a calculator and you have 10 seconds.
 

werepossum

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Interesting take.

Palin's problem is that she has been turned into a caricature by the media and she will have to figure out a way to over come that.

As long as the popular view of her is as an airhead she won't have a chance.

Her best bet would to become a power broker and waiting a few more cycles and maybe make a run in 2020 etc. She is still very young.

True, but quitting as a governor also killed her chances. We already have a president who votes "Present" - who on Earth is going to elect a president who can't even be bothered to do that? Granted that she faced a concerted stream of attacks from a coalition of national liberals, the country club Republican establishment, and the corrupt Murkowski-Stevens branch of the Alaska Republicans, but as president she'd face that a couple orders of magnitude greater plus the legitimate problems of the nation.

Even if she can bypass the media and show herself to be the next Michio Kaku she would still have a demonstrated lack of guts to overcome.