Saulbadguy
Diamond Member
Conviently you left out being packed in layers of ice for hours, being cramped into very uncomfortable positions, being shocked, etc etc...
-
We’re currently investigating an issue related to the forum theme and styling that is impacting page layout and visual formatting. The problem has been identified, and we are actively working on a resolution. There is no impact to user data or functionality, this is strictly a front-end display issue. We’ll post an update once the fix has been deployed. Thanks for your patience while we get this sorted.
What's the difference between killing a soldier and a POW?
Page 2 - Seeking answers? Join the AnandTech community: where nearly half-a-million members share solutions and discuss the latest tech.
Conviently you left out being packed in layers of ice for hours, being cramped into very uncomfortable positions, being shocked, etc etc...
AsianriceX
Golden Member
Aren't they one in the same?
:beer:😀
Saulbadguy
Diamond Member
We don't know, but I don't care either way, for either side. Americans or Iraqis. They are over there, they know the dangers and the risks. Same with civilians, ESPECIALLY American ones. They have no business being there, regardless of how much they are getting paid. Its a shame the moronic ones have to stoop to the level of torture and humiliation, but oh well. Maybe next time they should be smart enough not to take pictures (god knows that won't happen, thats why they are this situation in the first place).
Saulbadguy
Diamond Member
No, the ones that torture prisoners.
I'm not comparing countries or parties.....I'm comparing the America that weathered
the darkest days of WWII to the crowd of whiners today that don't have a clue what war
is all about nor the costs of war.
I'm not for torture in the least but I don't believe any of the prisoners have had anything
but their "feelings" hurt and this isn't a sunday school picnic we are at right now.
Don Vito Corleone
Elite
This is a spectacularly ill-informed post, and shows a startling (if not surprising) ignorance of history.
I am an active-duty GI, and you'd damn sure hear me speaking out if my fellow service members were the ones having dogs sicced on them and broomsticks shoved up their butts. Similarly, I am outraged when we are the ones perpetrating cruel and criminal acts, partially because I understand it will lead to similar abuses being perpetrated against us.
We didn't succeed against the Germans and Japanese through cruelty and torture of our enemies (and in fact they lost in spite of engaging in those activities).
If we as a nation are going to lord our moral superiority over others, and particularly if we are going to use it as a reason to invade another nation and overthrow its leader, we had damned sure be able to walk the walk - otherwise we are nothing but hypocritical bullies. We need to bring anyone and everyone involved in the prisoner abuse (up to and including high-level leadership in the Pentagon if necessary) to justice, to demonstrate to the world that we really are as enlightened as we would have them believe.
Don Vito Corleone
Elite
If you really believe this, you are ignoring the existing photographic evidence of American GIs siccing military working dogs on prisoners, and the fact that more than 25 detainees have died in US custody since 9/11 (not to mention the abuses that have been described, but not yet published to the public, including broomstick/rectum assaults, rape, beatings, and a litany of other misdeeds). I suppose in a sense a rape only leaves "hurt feelings," but I doubt you would use that terminology if the victim were your mother (or brother for that matter).
I have been forward-deployed in a combat environment - have you? The abuse and humiliation of caged prisoners is not a "cost of war."
Do you think we are in Iraq to "lord" our moral superiority over the Iraqi people? I don't.
You are right though.....we did overthrow Iraq's leader and a fine and gentle leader he was wasn't he?
The world isn't interested in our "righteousness" and we're not going to prove anything to the
world by being Mr. Clean. Most countries that we are trying to win over are more interested
in our dollars and support than our morals or way of life.
tranceport
Diamond Member
Exactly.
I say level the place. Give them a 7 day warning then make it all glass...
wrong forum.
Don Vito Corleone
Elite
Okay, if we aren't there to liberate the Iraqi people from tyranny (itself a laudable goal IMO - Saddam Hussein was clearly a bloodthirsty and evil dictator), why did we start the war in the first place?
It's clear there were never WMDs in any quantity, and he had acquiesced to all our demands for unfettered access by inspectors. He was NOT developing nuclear weapons, he was not a sponsor of international terrorism (at least not that we can prove), and he did not pose any imminent threat to the US (notwithstanding Scty's Rumsfeld's disingenuous "anticipatory self-defense" doctrine).
Perhaps the world isn't interested in our righteousness, but without it we are literally no better than Hitler (and I think we are a LOT better), in that we undertook an unprovoked, offensive war against a poorly-equipped opponent, at great human and financial cost to Iraq and the US. We'd better have had SOME reason for it. I would be interested in why you feel the war was justified, if not to free the Iraqi people from the very ignominies to which we have apparently been subjecting the prisoners at Abu Ghraib (as well as much worse ones, of course).
Our righteousness, our essential morality, is what makes the US unique IMO. We have the oldest written constitution in the world, and are obviously the world's premier power. Our success is based on the principles laid out by our brilliant Founding Fathers, who placed great weight on the importance of a basic respect for human decency. We can't just discard that because we willfully undertook a war against a rat's nest of a country like Iraq.
gistech1978
Diamond Member
well that is what this war has been coopted into.
at first it was WMD WMD WMD!!!
now, its FREEDOM FOR IRAQIS, lets bring them our way of life! lets be a shining beacon for democracy in the middle east. yeah, the domino theory all over again. That really worked for Vietnam, IIRC and boy is it ever working in Iraq.
so why do you think were there if not for our own self interest? if the US govt is so altruistic, where are the troops marching into Pyongyang?
America's morals and way of life...boy; at this point in American history can you blame other countries for not 'supporting' that? If that is what you really believe.
BillyBatson
Diamond Member
uh killing a soldier means he/she is DEAD while a POW means they are alive just captured
maybe instead of a POW you mean MIA? Missing In Action means there is always the possibility that they are alive but there is no way of knowing cuz they are missing.. now if they turn up in say a video and alive just being held by the enemy then they become a POW
maybe instead of a POW you mean MIA? Missing In Action means there is always the possibility that they are alive but there is no way of knowing cuz they are missing.. now if they turn up in say a video and alive just being held by the enemy then they become a POW
D
Deleted member 4644
Another important point is that most soldiers have a "choice" to become POWs -- in other words, if you know you are going to die or be killed in prison, you probably would die fighting, even if it meant charging without ammo or a weapon.
Once you surrrender, you are in a sense entering into a "contract" that you will behave yourself, but also not be harmed.
Once you surrrender, you are in a sense entering into a "contract" that you will behave yourself, but also not be harmed.
TRENDING THREADS
-
Discussion Zen 5 Speculation (EPYC Turin and Strix Point/Granite Ridge - Ryzen 9000)- Started by DisEnchantment
- Replies: 25K
-
Discussion Intel Meteor, Arrow, Lunar & Panther Lakes + WCL Discussion Threads
- Started by Tigerick
- Replies: 25K
-
Discussion Intel current and future Lakes & Rapids thread- Started by TheF34RChannel
- Replies: 24K
-
-
