whats the difference between canterwood/springdale?

[LegionX]

i read a few reviews and couldnt see really any mention of the differences between the 2 besides that canterwood is out now and springdale will be out in a month or 2. whats the difference between them?

 

[gaidin123]

PAT
http://www.anandtech.com/chipsets/showdoc.html?i=1811&p=4

It saves a couple clock cycles on memory access...It remains to be seen whether users will be able to enable it on 865 chipsets or not. They would be using non-validated parts of the chipset so it may or may not work, but at the basic price differences we're seeing so far I'm thinking the 865 will be a great chipset to go for unless the 875s come down in price a good bit.

Gaidin

 

[LegionX]

ok from rereading the review on the 875 i get this idea about the differences, please correct me if i am wrong or have left something fital out.

canterwood is more of a deluxe version that has PAT and only supports 533/800 and is aimed at higher end buying base.

Springdale is more end user middle of the game board that doesnt have PAT but supports 400/533/800

Canterwood - more expensive
springdale- cheaper

Canterwood - faster, moreso with PAT included
Springdale - slower but faster than other boards

i cant understand is the above is correct why they didnt bring out springdale first.

Is the above correct? would the PAT make enough of a difference to spend more money on canterwood if i already have (p4 2.26) 533 bus cpu and plan on upgrading down the line?

how much of a price difference do you think there will be?

thanks in advance for any info

 

[gaidin123]

This is all conjecture on my part but I would assume that Intel brought out the 875 first in order to make more profit on a higher margin part like that. The 865 will probably perform within a few percent of the 875 (and a few percent higher than all other current P4 chipsets). It should also be a good deal cheaper than the 875. At the moment, I've only seen the MSI 865 board at places like Newegg for $125. The cheapest 875 boards are $171 and then jump to $219 and higher.

One of the important things to watch for with these motherboards is what extra features are on the board compares to others and whether the manufacturer is using the Intel Gbit LAN on the new CSA bus or not. I don't think the performance difference between the 865 and 875 will be worth the cost difference at this time. Of course if the 875 prices drop to within $10-15 of 865 boards then I'd probably go for the 875.

Also, there's still the issue of whether users will be able to enable PAT in the 865s or not. There is supposedly no hardware differences between the 865 and 875 chipsets.

I would assume Anandtech will have and 865/875 comparison article up in the next couple weeks and/or some motherboard reviews of 865 boards now that we're seeing them hit online stores. I'd wait until you have some hard numbers from several hardware sites for comparison if you can.

Gaidin

 

[LegionX]

thanks
i wont be upgrading til beginning of june so hopefully both will be available up in canada and i will know what the bugs are.

 

[smahoney]

The 875 and 865 are manufactured using the same process - the 865G being the exception. The 875 chips are those that meet all rigid tests and the rest become 865's. Only the top 5-10% of the yield are being sold as 875's. The PAT is disabled in hardware for the 865's. Apparently Intel has been stockpiling 865 chips for large OEMS to use with the major 800MHz FSB CPU release.

As far as pricing goes - unless you are running 800 FSB or looking to seriously overclock a 533 - there is no point in an 875 board unless there is an additional feature you have to have - GA-8KNXP Ultra with SCSI for example. Otherwise expect a sharp drop in 875 mobo pricing in the second half of May.

Intel is also being somewhat misleading in the P, G and PE suffixes on the 865 - Expect a lot of disgruntled customers who mistakenly get an 865P chipset. Should have used something like L for "Lite".

Is anyone else surprised at the actual differences between the GA-8KNXP Ultra and the GA-8KNXP - Does anyone really think that Gigabyte is going to sell more than a few hundred Ultra boards?
Additional SATA RAID and 1394 or Ultra320 dual channel SCSI. I'll take the lower end board, a few WD360 raptors, hookup my Sony Video Camera and pocket a few hundred in savings.....actually I'll be getting an IC7-G but the rest is the same .

 

[StealthPants]

When can we expect to see more P4's which can be used with the 865/875 ?

At the moment the only one is the 3Ghz right ?

 

[gaidin123]

The 865 chipset can use pretty much and Socket478 P4 at 400/533/800Mhz FSB whereas the 875 is locked into 533/800Mhz chips only. Thankfully that's not a big deal now for most people.

 

[jaeger66]

Originally posted by: gaidin123
The 865 chipset can use pretty much and Socket478 P4 at 400/533/800Mhz FSB whereas the 875 is locked into 533/800Mhz chips only. Thankfully that's not a big deal now for most people.

That is not true. Both can use 400 CPUs. If you're getting that from Anand's arcticle, it's wrong.

 

[Dug]

The 400Mhz FSB is for Northwood only. I think.

Although Abit specifically says NO 400MHZ FSB

IC7

 

[NurseMSIC]

From what i've read (including in Anandtech),
The 875 supports 533/800 FSB. Not 400 FSB. (Some motherboard sites also state this explicitly).
The 865 P and G seem to support 400 and 533 only. Not 800.

The 865 PE does support 533 and 800, but what i REALLY REALLY want to know is does it ALSO support 400, in effect giving people like me who currently own a 400 to be able to keep and use that, then upgrade to an 800 when they can afford it?

I run my 400 at 533 speeds, but if a motherboard doesnt support 400 natively i dont want to buy it, get it home, and then find that the whole thing refuses to boot.

Any thoughts? Any definitive words on this anyone?

 

[jaeger66]

Originally posted by: NurseMSIC
From what i've read (including in Anandtech),
The 875 supports 533/800 FSB. Not 400 FSB. (Some motherboard sites also state this explicitly).
The 865 P and G seem to support 400 and 533 only. Not 800.

The 865 PE does support 533 and 800, but what i REALLY REALLY want to know is does it ALSO support 400, in effect giving people like me who currently own a 400 to be able to keep and use that, then upgrade to an 800 when they can afford it?

I run my 400 at 533 speeds, but if a motherboard doesnt support 400 natively i dont want to buy it, get it home, and then find that the whole thing refuses to boot.

Any thoughts? Any definitive words on this anyone?

http://forums.anandtech.com/messageview.cfm?catid=29&threadid=1034887

 

[NurseMSIC]

Well that did mostly answer my question, so thanks for that.

It also answers my other question, about if it supports SINGLE channel DDR (everyone keeps talking double channel, i only own one stick!!). BTW for everyone, the 875 DOES support single channel DDR memory.
But it does refer to the 875 chipset, and i think (although not 100 percent) i want an 865. Hmm... so many questions....

 

[jaeger66]

Originally posted by: NurseMSIC
Well that did mostly answer my question, so thanks for that.

It also answers my other question, about if it supports SINGLE channel DDR (everyone keeps talking double channel, i only own one stick!!). BTW for everyone, the 875 DOES support single channel DDR memory.
But it does refer to the 875 chipset, and i think (although not 100 percent) i want an 865. Hmm... so many questions....

No published info on the 865 is available yet, it's still under wraps until mid-May. And yes, you can use one DIMM for single channel operation on either.