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whats the deal with everyone likeing the Voodoo 5500??
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MercenaryForHire
Lifer
Number of pro-3Dfx posts seen in previous year or so on the forums:
Zero.
Please direct me to the forums which still seem to be stuck in early 2000 when the V5 was a big deal.
Edit - Discounting the V5 6000 for its collector's value, of course. 😀
- M4H
Zero.
Please direct me to the forums which still seem to be stuck in early 2000 when the V5 was a big deal.
Edit - Discounting the V5 6000 for its collector's value, of course. 😀
- M4H
PrinceXizor
Platinum Member
The only reference I've seen to the Voodoo 5500 are in respects to the NV30 launch. Believe me, these are not "positive" comparisons.
P-X
P-X
here's one, right next door so to speak
http://forums.anandtech.com/messageview.cfm?catid=27&threadid=1062375
and i've seen a lot of them with people extolling the voodoo5 5500 and other assorted voodoo cards too.
not in the titles, but in the bodies of the posts.
http://forums.anandtech.com/messageview.cfm?catid=27&threadid=1062375
and i've seen a lot of them with people extolling the voodoo5 5500 and other assorted voodoo cards too.
not in the titles, but in the bodies of the posts.
MercenaryForHire
Lifer
Uh ...
So if that's "everyone liking the Voodoo 5500" ... well, I'm going to take a leap of faith here and say
You suck at the Internet.
- M4H
He's making a comment in a thread about buying used video cards off eBay.
Inspired by the above post, a concurrence that both his V5s were purchased off eBay, and a quick testament to a dead company. All that's left is to pour out a forty on the curb. 😛
So if that's "everyone liking the Voodoo 5500" ... well, I'm going to take a leap of faith here and say
You suck at the Internet.
- M4H
EdipisReks
Platinum Member
sandorski
No Lifer
It *was* an awesome card! With todays games that require HW TnL it's pretty much useless, but as far as I'm concerned it was the best and most revolutionary card of it's time. Others will disagree with that statement, but so what? 🙂
If one wants to setup on Old Games box, there's no better card.
That notion usually comes up but since a modern card can be had for $30 that trounces it feature, performance, quality and support-wise then how is it better unless someone paid you to use it, and paid you a lot!?
Even if you had some cheesy old proprietary API game that you could not part with, a modern card with a wrapper would do the trick and probably better.
Voodoo 5 had low-res textures, "high color" (ie: low color), only 32MB effective RAM, no OpenGL support, no T&L, no MC or iDCT, the lousiest video scaling in the business, awful TVO, and of course no support when the company went belly-up. All hail 3dfx!
Originally posted by: Auric
That notion usually comes up but since a modern card can be had for $30 that trounces it feature, performance, quality and support-wise then how is it better unless someone paid you to use it, and paid you a lot!?
Even if you had some cheesy old proprietary API game that you could not part with, a modern card with a wrapper would do the trick and probably better.
Voodoo 5 had low-res textures, "high color" (ie: low color), only 32MB effective RAM, no OpenGL support, no T&L, no MC or iDCT, the lousiest video scaling in the business, awful TVO, and of course no support when the company went belly-up. All hail 3dfx!
Wrong.
It had about 48MB effective memory because the framebuffer was shared but each chip had a copy of textures (Was it the other way around?). And where do you get off saying no OpenGL support? If it had no OpenGL support it couldn't even play QuakeIII..
The Voodoo5's real claim to fame is FSAA. I'd dare say if it wasn't for the Voodoo5 5500 we would never have FSAA, because Nvidia would have never bothered to bring it to us.
To this day, not any videocard on the face of the planet can bring something to the table that looks better than the Voodoo5 5500's 4X FSAA.
sandorski
No Lifer
Originally posted by: Auric
That notion usually comes up but since a modern card can be had for $30 that trounces it feature, performance, quality and support-wise then how is it better unless someone paid you to use it, and paid you a lot!?
Even if you had some cheesy old proprietary API game that you could not part with, a modern card with a wrapper would do the trick and probably better.
Voodoo 5 had low-res textures, "high color" (ie: low color), only 32MB effective RAM, no OpenGL support, no T&L, no MC or iDCT, the lousiest video scaling in the business, awful TVO, and of course no support when the company went belly-up. All hail 3dfx!
For old games there's no need for High textures and TnL. Voodoo5 5500 does have OpenGL support and though Glide wrappers exist can they do FSAA as well as the Voodoo? Since I mentioned "old" games box, even the many iterations of Post-3Dfx user made drivers are unnecessary, use an "old" OS.
MercenaryForHire
Lifer
I believe that title would belong to the Voodoo5 6000, which never made it to retail. OEM ones are floating around, and Quantum3D still made a few.
- M4H
Schadenfroh
Elite Member
rare 3dfx cards (cards i wish i had)
3dfx Rampage, i know of only 2 to have been built, would have been 3dfx direct x 8 part
3dfx voodoo5 6000, about 100 or so were built, about half worked, less than that worked good. rev with the HiNT chips worked the best IE 3700. 4 vsa 100 chips, you had to plug it into a wall outlet
3dfx voodoo4 4500TV, voodoo4 with tv out and LCD, i know of only 2
3dfx Daytona, VSA-101, everything the VSA-100 (the voodoo5 chip) shoulda been
3dfx voodoo5 5000 PCI, know of 2, voodoo5 pci with 32mb of ram
3dfx voodoo5 5000 AGP, same as above, cept AGP
my 3dfx collection
1 Diamond voodoo1 (the card that started it all)
1 creative labs voodoo2 12mb
2 Metabyte voodoo2s 12mb
1 voodoo3 2000 pci
2 voodoo5 5500 agp
I can safely say that 3dfx has THE BEST 4X FSAA of ANY card EVER to exist. 2D image quality on voodoo3 was on par with matrox. 3dfx (cept opengl) had the best drivers. i had my voodoo5 in my main pc up untill january of this year and it still ran like a charm with drivers from the year 2000. Most of the PCs that my family own use 3dfx cards, even today.
rigs in my house
dads main PC: VisionTek Geforce4 TI 4200
my main pc: Geforce4 TI 4200 8x
those are the only two that have non3dfx cards in them
my dads gaming pc: 3dfx voodoo5 5500
my FUBAR GLIDE rig: 3dfx voodoo5 5500
my moms PC: 3dfx voodoo3 2000
schools PC: 3dfx voodoo2
would you call tomb raider, need for speed, Deus Ex, UT and Diablo II cheesy?
3dfx went out of business cause they bought STB, it has been shown in the history of the graphics business that it is a bad bad idea t o make your own boards. that is probably the reason ATI cant turn a profit. S3 got sold to VIA becuase the Diamond multimedia feasco. number nine got taken down becuase of it. matrox cant grow becuase of it.
Schadenfroh<---- diehard 3dfx fan
3dfx Rampage, i know of only 2 to have been built, would have been 3dfx direct x 8 part
3dfx voodoo5 6000, about 100 or so were built, about half worked, less than that worked good. rev with the HiNT chips worked the best IE 3700. 4 vsa 100 chips, you had to plug it into a wall outlet
3dfx voodoo4 4500TV, voodoo4 with tv out and LCD, i know of only 2
3dfx Daytona, VSA-101, everything the VSA-100 (the voodoo5 chip) shoulda been
3dfx voodoo5 5000 PCI, know of 2, voodoo5 pci with 32mb of ram
3dfx voodoo5 5000 AGP, same as above, cept AGP
my 3dfx collection
1 Diamond voodoo1 (the card that started it all)
1 creative labs voodoo2 12mb
2 Metabyte voodoo2s 12mb
1 voodoo3 2000 pci
2 voodoo5 5500 agp
I can safely say that 3dfx has THE BEST 4X FSAA of ANY card EVER to exist. 2D image quality on voodoo3 was on par with matrox. 3dfx (cept opengl) had the best drivers. i had my voodoo5 in my main pc up untill january of this year and it still ran like a charm with drivers from the year 2000. Most of the PCs that my family own use 3dfx cards, even today.
rigs in my house
dads main PC: VisionTek Geforce4 TI 4200
my main pc: Geforce4 TI 4200 8x
those are the only two that have non3dfx cards in them
my dads gaming pc: 3dfx voodoo5 5500
my FUBAR GLIDE rig: 3dfx voodoo5 5500
my moms PC: 3dfx voodoo3 2000
schools PC: 3dfx voodoo2
would you call tomb raider, need for speed, Deus Ex, UT and Diablo II cheesy?
3dfx went out of business cause they bought STB, it has been shown in the history of the graphics business that it is a bad bad idea t o make your own boards. that is probably the reason ATI cant turn a profit. S3 got sold to VIA becuase the Diamond multimedia feasco. number nine got taken down becuase of it. matrox cant grow becuase of it.
Schadenfroh<---- diehard 3dfx fan
Schadenfroh
Elite Member
Originally posted by: BSOD
Its amazing that ATI has been around since 1985 without turning a profit...
that is becuase ATI is into alot of other things BESIDES 3d graphics.
m4h,
http://forums.anandtech.com/messageview.cfm?catid=31&threadid=1055323&FTVAR_MSGDBTABLE=
http://forums.anandtech.com/messageview.cfm?catid=27&threadid=1055324&FTVAR_MSGDBTABLE=
that's a rather bold statement that is easily proven wrong. there are some v5 5500 supporters there and in other video threads that i do remember but wont take the time to look through.
if you read the text of my post, you will see that i am simply saying that i remember reading threads recently that mention the v5 5500 in a positive light. if you care to look at the posts linked above, you will see them too.
as for
edit**** remove impolite comment
http://forums.anandtech.com/messageview.cfm?catid=31&threadid=1055323&FTVAR_MSGDBTABLE=
http://forums.anandtech.com/messageview.cfm?catid=27&threadid=1055324&FTVAR_MSGDBTABLE=
that's a rather bold statement that is easily proven wrong. there are some v5 5500 supporters there and in other video threads that i do remember but wont take the time to look through.
if you read the text of my post, you will see that i am simply saying that i remember reading threads recently that mention the v5 5500 in a positive light. if you care to look at the posts linked above, you will see them too.
as for
edit**** remove impolite comment
S3's graphics division was sold to VIA because the S4 was long delayed and S2000 had serious flaws but they had wisely purchased Exponential's patents which allowed them to get a cash infusion from VIA to focus on the other stuff they got into with DMM. In that sense it was less of a fiasco than 3dfx.
Number Nine went down because one of their chips lacked critical DirectX support during one of the transitions and they just could not recover and were increasingly relegated to being just another AIB.
If Matrox were public they would have taken a dirt nap long ago from the pressure to do something.
3dfx did not fail because they bought STB, but in fact lingered longer because they could make their own cards whereas no one else would have bought their chips because their designs were costly and relatively lackluster. 3dfx only made money in one financial year and that was due to the Voodoo 2, their only successful product. In that year they broke even on their past losses and afterwards continued to lose money because, again, their designs sucked.
3dfx products never supported OpenGL. They only had a "mini-driver" for a particular game engine.
If 3dfx had not had some valuable patents such as those from Gigapixel then their failure would have been even more complete. As it was *only* investors and customers got hosed while the top executives managed to do okay. Oh, and you know they *paid* software developers to use their crappy proprietary API and slap bogus stickers all over the game boxes, right? They were essentially attempting to control (delay) hardware development from the software side through those "investments". Thankfully for gamers, their nefarious scheme failed. All hail 3dfx (redux)!
at least one thread, i believe. i remember more but it's hard to search in the body of the thread posts with the tools that are provided.
in any case, the original poster did not specifically mention that he was talking about exclusively on the forums, in fact, the original post suggests otherwise.
next post...
and then everyone lights into him.
and come to think of it, they light into me as well as m4h and edipisreks debate my poor internet or interweb skills.
whatever.
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