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Muse

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Originally posted by: ss284
Originally posted by: Muse
Quotes and comments follow. Originally posted by: Acanthus[/i]
Abit IC7G is a big one.

Only has 5 PCI slots. I'd really like 6, if possible.

Asus A7N8X.

Link at asus.com

Also 5 PCI slots.

Abit NF7-S.

Ditto. Link at Abit

Anybody know of cost effective 6 PCI slot boards nowadays? TIA!

What do you plan to populate these 6 pci slots with?

The only ones I can think of are sound, second ide/sata controller, tv tuner, second video card. I cant really imagine much else since firewire/ethernet is integrated.

-Steve
I was pleased to see that ethernet is built into the Albatron "KX18D Pro" linked above at Newegg. However, there is no mention of Firewire in Newegg's description, so I figure with that board I'll need a slot for my firewire card. I'd like to have my Promise IDE controller card in there, a soundcard, my TV tuner card, and I'm eyeing an HDTV tuner card:

Firewire
IDE card
TV card
HDTV card
modem
sound

Maybe I won't need the TV card with the HDTV card if the HDTV card does the analog TV thing OK. Or maybe I can get a mobo with built in firewire.
 

VirtualLarry

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Originally posted by: Matthias99
Anybody know of cost effective 6 PCI slot boards nowadays? TIA!

this is the cheapest 6-slot PCI motherboard at Newegg using an NForce2 chipset

Don't know anything about it, though. You can search at Newegg by # of PCI slots -- they have over a dozen Socket A boards with 6 PCI slots, although many are older boards with the KT400/KT600 chipsets...

Edit: edited and added quote for clarity...

Thanks for posting that, I hadn't seen any NF2-based boards with 6 PCI before. Glad to see someone else that appreciates the utility of having a full set of expansion slots.

Right now I'm running an MSI KT4V-L (KT400/8235). One of the reasons that I bought it was that it had 6 PCI. I was disappointed to find out that although it includes the Realtek ALC650 codec like that Albatron board, they neglected to have a rear I/O-panel game connectors, nor even a header connector on the mobo to attach a bracket! I was surprised/disappointed it that, I have a pair of MS Sidewinder Gamepads that I like to use for emulators, and they need an old-style 15-pin game port. I've since switched to PSX pads connected via a PSX-USB adaptor I got at RatShack for $10.50 each.

Oh yeah, to the other poster that wondered why 6 PCI - I've had all of the slots on my machine filled too, so it's definately possible. Think multi-monitor, and TV-capture, and multiple soundcards. (Or really, just a PCI soundcard to replace the crappy, noisy, CPU-wasting, on-board sound support.)

Edit: For example, Promise Ultra100 TX2 for 4 HDs, 4 opticals go on mobo IDE controllers, WinTV PCI for video-in/tuner, Aureal Vortex2 for 3D sound/better sound/better emulated DOS SB compatibility, PCI GigE card because board lacks GigE support, AGP primary 3D card, 1-2 PCI secondary 2D cards for multi-mon. If you only use one additional PCI video card, that leaves one slot left open for future needs, like a PCI 56K modem. I use an external serial modem, it disturbs me slightly that the Albatron board appears to be missing one of the two default COM ports, for no good reason. (Not replaced with anything else on the I/O bracket.) That alone is enough for me to skip it, I need a second serial port free for a PSX memcard reader, and/or my PDA sync connection. Oh well. The quest continues on for the "perfect" board. (I miss my Abit BX6-r2, that was quite possibly the closest that I've come to obtaining a perfect mobo. If only it supported DDR, AGP 4x, ATA-100, and USB 2.0, it would be indeed perfect.)
 

Zebo

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Originally posted by: nick1985
Shuttle AN35N-Ultra

That's right. Nothing comes close. price. performance or number of reviews at newegg/.... has over 350 while the next most popular has 150. nf7
 

Tostada

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Currently, the best deals on Socket-A boards look like:

$48: ASRock K7S41GX micro-ATX SiS741 with IGP with free modem
$54: Shuttle AN35N-Ultra nForce2 Ultra MCP
$61: Biostar M7NCG 400 micro-ATX nForce2 Ultra IGP + MPC
$85: Abit NF7-S nForce2 Ultra MCP-T

That ASRock board is pretty cool for a dirt-cheap AOL-type system. There are a few cases when you might be interested in saving the extra $26 you'd spend on the Biostar and a cheap WinModem.
 

StrangerGuy

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Originally posted by: manly
How many people really need 6 PCI slots?

That's what I'm wondering too. I'm already hard-pressed to find ways to use 4 PCI slots let alone 6 since a lot of things nowadays are integrated to the board itself. Also in reality you don't want to install a PCI card next beside a AGP video card due to cooling issues, so a 6 PCI board is just the same as a board with 5 IMO.
 

Tostada

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Originally posted by: manly
How many people really need 6 PCI slots?

My system has:

main AGP card
PCI dual-head GeForce
PCI sound card
PCI SCSI controller
PCI capture card
PCI network card

I needed 6 slots until recently when I found a good PCI dual-head card to run my extra monitors.

Many people still need to use a modem. Many people use additional controller cards for SCSI, IDE, SATA, firwire, or whatever. Having a bunch of monitors can also fill up your slots quickly.
 

ss284

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Originally posted by: Tostada
Originally posted by: manly
How many people really need 6 PCI slots?

My system has:

main AGP card
PCI dual-head GeForce
PCI sound card
PCI SCSI controller
PCI capture card
PCI network card

I needed 6 slots until recently when I found a good PCI dual-head card to run my extra monitors.

Many people still need to use a modem. Many people use additional controller cards for SCSI, IDE, SATA, firwire, or whatever. Having a bunch of monitors can also fill up your slots quickly.


Two graphics cards gets you 4 monitors. I dont think most users are even going to come close to that amount. And now adays, its not difficult to find motherboards that have integrated ethernet, ide raid, sata raid and firewire all onboard, at a slightly increased cost. SCSI/capture/tv-tuner/soundcard I can understand, but otherwise I dont see why most people would need that many slots when they can get a motherboard with the features onboard for a nominal cost.
-Steve
 

Tostada

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ss284:

I'm just saying there are many situations where people end up using a lot of PCI slots. Sure, 5 is usually enough.

Two graphics cards doesn't always get your 4 monitors. Things usually work out a lot better if your primary gaming screen is the only display on your main AGP card. The drivers can get a little flaky, such as games being stupid in which display they use, or popping up windows between two displays, and just general weirdness when you've got two monitors on your main card.

There are some situations where it's nice to have 2 NIC's or 2 sound cards. People who go all-SCSI often end up using two controllers.

Obviously most people are fine with 5 slots, but for a long time I couldn't use my capture card because I didn't have room.
 

n0cmonkey

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Originally posted by: Muse
Originally posted by: ss284
Originally posted by: Muse
Quotes and comments follow. Originally posted by: Acanthus[/i]
Abit IC7G is a big one.

Only has 5 PCI slots. I'd really like 6, if possible.

Asus A7N8X.

Link at asus.com

Also 5 PCI slots.

Abit NF7-S.

Ditto. Link at Abit

Anybody know of cost effective 6 PCI slot boards nowadays? TIA!

What do you plan to populate these 6 pci slots with?

The only ones I can think of are sound, second ide/sata controller, tv tuner, second video card. I cant really imagine much else since firewire/ethernet is integrated.

-Steve
I was pleased to see that ethernet is built into the Albatron "KX18D Pro" linked above at Newegg. However, there is no mention of Firewire in Newegg's description, so I figure with that board I'll need a slot for my firewire card. I'd like to have my Promise IDE controller card in there, a soundcard, my TV tuner card, and I'm eyeing an HDTV tuner card:

Firewire
IDE card
TV card
HDTV card
modem
sound

Maybe I won't need the TV card with the HDTV card if the HDTV card does the analog TV thing OK. Or maybe I can get a mobo with built in firewire.

Get an external modem. ;)

I recently got this board. It's been great so far.
 

n0cmonkey

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Originally posted by: VirtualLarry
Originally posted by: Matthias99
Anybody know of cost effective 6 PCI slot boards nowadays? TIA!

this is the cheapest 6-slot PCI motherboard at Newegg using an NForce2 chipset

Don't know anything about it, though. You can search at Newegg by # of PCI slots -- they have over a dozen Socket A boards with 6 PCI slots, although many are older boards with the KT400/KT600 chipsets...

Edit: edited and added quote for clarity...

Thanks for posting that, I hadn't seen any NF2-based boards with 6 PCI before. Glad to see someone else that appreciates the utility of having a full set of expansion slots.

Right now I'm running an MSI KT4V-L (KT400/8235). One of the reasons that I bought it was that it had 6 PCI. I was disappointed to find out that although it includes the Realtek ALC650 codec like that Albatron board, they neglected to have a rear I/O-panel game connectors, nor even a header connector on the mobo to attach a bracket! I was surprised/disappointed it that, I have a pair of MS Sidewinder Gamepads that I like to use for emulators, and they need an old-style 15-pin game port. I've since switched to PSX pads connected via a PSX-USB adaptor I got at RatShack for $10.50 each.

Oh yeah, to the other poster that wondered why 6 PCI - I've had all of the slots on my machine filled too, so it's definately possible. Think multi-monitor, and TV-capture, and multiple soundcards. (Or really, just a PCI soundcard to replace the crappy, noisy, CPU-wasting, on-board sound support.)

Edit: For example, Promise Ultra100 TX2 for 4 HDs, 4 opticals go on mobo IDE controllers,

Unneccessary. 2 optical drives is enough, more is just a waste. :)

WinTV PCI for video-in/tuner, Aureal Vortex2 for 3D sound/better sound/better emulated DOS SB compatibility, PCI GigE card because board lacks GigE support,

Get a better board.

AGP primary 3D card, 1-2 PCI secondary 2D cards for multi-mon.

Why not get a multimonitor video card?

If you only use one additional PCI video card, that leaves one slot left open for future needs, like a PCI 56K modem. I use an external serial modem, it disturbs me slightly that the Albatron board appears to be missing one of the two default COM ports, for no good reason. (Not replaced with anything else on the I/O bracket.) That alone is enough for me to skip it, I need a second serial port free for a PSX memcard reader, and/or my PDA sync connection.

USB.

Oh well. The quest continues on for the "perfect" board. (I miss my Abit BX6-r2, that was quite possibly the closest that I've come to obtaining a perfect mobo. If only it supported DDR, AGP 4x, ATA-100, and USB 2.0, it would be indeed perfect.)

this board has gigabit ethernet, 8 USB 2.0 ports, 6 PCI slots, 1 ATA133 channels, 2 SATA channels, and supports up to DDR400. Of course, it only has 1 serial port, but with an empty PCI slot, you can get a pci serial board. ;)
 

VirtualLarry

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Originally posted by: n0cmonkey
Originally posted by: VirtualLarry
Oh yeah, to the other poster that wondered why 6 PCI - I've had all of the slots on my machine filled too, so it's definately possible. Think multi-monitor, and TV-capture, and multiple soundcards. (Or really, just a PCI soundcard to replace the crappy, noisy, CPU-wasting, on-board sound support.)

Edit: For example, Promise Ultra100 TX2 for 4 HDs, 4 opticals go on mobo IDE controllers,

Unneccessary. 2 optical drives is enough, more is just a waste. :)

Says who? Some people actually like to copy disc-to-disc, while using a third optical drive for other uses, like listening to music, watching a DVD movie, or just running tests on the disc you just burned. Heck, I used to have more optical drives, all hanging off of a SCSI controller, and a bunch of external SCSI gizmos (CD-changers) to boot. I nearly ran out of DOS drive letters at one point. Heck, I used to burn CDs while playing Bleem! (an early commercial PSX emulator) at the same time.

WinTV PCI for video-in/tuner, Aureal Vortex2 for 3D sound/better sound/better emulated DOS SB compatibility, PCI GigE card because board lacks GigE support,

Get a better board.

What do you mean, a better board? Sound card? Or motherboard? No onboard sound can rival a seperate sound card in terms of noise immunity. The laws of physics prohibit it. Having the DACs and analog traces further away from the high-freq noise sources on the mobo allows for less noise in the outputs. (If you can afford a digital reciever, with seperate outboard DACs, then this may not apply. Just use the digital-out port on your onboard sound, and you'll be golden.) I've found that the DOS SB-emulation drivers for the Vortex2 are a lot better than even Creative's own PCI-based sound cards. IMHO the Vortex2 sounds better too, and A3D was always better than EAX for true 3D positional-audio. UT sounds *incredible* with one of these cards.

AGP primary 3D card, 1-2 PCI secondary 2D cards for multi-mon.

Why not get a multimonitor video card?

Actually, I did just put in a Radeon 9200, but in the past, I've run three monitors, one multi-sync VGA, and a twin pair of DEC/Sony tubes. The problem with those is, they are fixed-freq sync-on-green, and require an pair of older Maxtrox Millenium cards to drive them, along with some minor driver tweaking.

If you only use one additional PCI video card, that leaves one slot left open for future needs, like a PCI 56K modem. I use an external serial modem, it disturbs me slightly that the Albatron board appears to be missing one of the two default COM ports, for no good reason. (Not replaced with anything else on the I/O bracket.) That alone is enough for me to skip it, I need a second serial port free for a PSX memcard reader, and/or my PDA sync connection.

USB.

My "PDA" is cheap, it only supports a serial port. Same with my PSX memcard reader, etc.

Oh well. The quest continues on for the "perfect" board. (I miss my Abit BX6-r2, that was quite possibly the closest that I've come to obtaining a perfect mobo. If only it supported DDR, AGP 4x, ATA-100, and USB 2.0, it would be indeed perfect.)

this board has gigabit ethernet, 8 USB 2.0 ports, 6 PCI slots, 1 ATA133 channels, 2 SATA channels, and supports up to DDR400. Of course, it only has 1 serial port, but with an empty PCI slot, you can get a pci serial board. ;)

Not a bad board, but I would never buy a KT600-based board. Heard way too much about the "cold-boot problems", that it seems to be a chipset issue. I could be wrong on that though. I really don't like Via's southbridges, my 8235 seems stable, but the performance is lacking enough to cause problems doing what I used to be able to do on my i440BX and even i430TX based boards.

That board does fill the OP's criterion though, of a SocketA board with 6 PCI slots. Good find.
 

sunase

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>>USB.

>My "PDA" is cheap, it only supports a serial port. Same with my PSX memcard reader, etc.

Just in case you ever have to use one, there are serial to USB adapters. I actually prefer being able to plug serial stuff into my hub or front panel using them. ^^

Personally I think you're getting so much flak because you and Muse are whining about a feature that isn't very useful to most people (large number of slots) in a thread that's about a board "loved it for it's simplicity and price" (quoted from the parent post ;p).
 

Double Trouble

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You get what you pay for.
True, but when you buy a 'value' board there's two different things you could be getting: the board could be cheap because it's junk and will not work reliably or will break down quickly, or the board is cheap because it doesn't include a whole lot of 'frills' or features you might not need.

thorin was looking for a board in the second category, the ones that are decent boards but just don't inlcude a lot of the 'extras'. From what I've seen the Shuttle AN35N-Ultra seems to fit nicely in that category.....
 

Muse

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Hey, VirtualLarry, I too noticed the graphic at Newegg of the Albatron board only showed one COM port. Don't remember ever seeing that before. I'm using one at the moment, but who knows what you will want down the line?

Albatron KX18D Pro onboard connectors at Albatron website

1 x Floppy Connector
2 x USB 2.0/1.1 header (4 ports USB cable optional)
1 x CD_IN header
1 x COM Port header
1 x S/PDIF in/out header (S/PDIF in/out cable optional)
1 x CPU fan header with fan rotation detection function
1 x System fan headers with fan rotation detection function
1 x10 pin system panel header (Intel spec)
1 x 3 pin Power LED header
1 x 4 pin Speaker header
1 x Front audio header (Intel spec)
1 x Case Open detection header
1 x Wake on LAN

Link
 

n0cmonkey

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Originally posted by: VirtualLarry
Originally posted by: n0cmonkey
Unneccessary. 2 optical drives is enough, more is just a waste. :)

Says who? Some people actually like to copy disc-to-disc, while using a third optical drive for other uses, like listening to music, watching a DVD movie, or just running tests on the disc you just burned. Heck, I used to have more optical drives, all hanging off of a SCSI controller, and a bunch of external SCSI gizmos (CD-changers) to boot. I nearly ran out of DOS drive letters at one point. Heck, I used to burn CDs while playing Bleem! (an early commercial PSX emulator) at the same time.

Just an opinion. disc to disc is neat, which is why I said 2 is enough. I'm the guy that has 2 optical dives and I switch them between my systems on the rare occassion I need one. :D

Get a better board.

What do you mean, a better board? Sound card? Or motherboard? No onboard sound can rival a seperate sound card in terms of noise immunity. The laws of physics prohibit it. Having the DACs and analog traces further away from the high-freq noise sources on the mobo allows for less noise in the outputs. (If you can afford a digital reciever, with seperate outboard DACs, then this may not apply. Just use the digital-out port on your onboard sound, and you'll be golden.) I've found that the DOS SB-emulation drivers for the Vortex2 are a lot better than even Creative's own PCI-based sound cards. IMHO the Vortex2 sounds better too, and A3D was always better than EAX for true 3D positional-audio. UT sounds *incredible* with one of these cards.

I meant motherboard. Some of the things you asked for can be had easily on a better motherboard (as represented in the suggestion below ;)). I agree with the sound card stuff though, but I got rid of my vortex 2 a long time ago. :p

Why not get a multimonitor video card?

Actually, I did just put in a Radeon 9200, but in the past, I've run three monitors, one multi-sync VGA, and a twin pair of DEC/Sony tubes. The problem with those is, they are fixed-freq sync-on-green, and require an pair of older Maxtrox Millenium cards to drive them, along with some minor driver tweaking.

Matrox > * :p

USB.

My "PDA" is cheap, it only supports a serial port. Same with my PSX memcard reader, etc.

Upgrade. :D

this board has gigabit ethernet, 8 USB 2.0 ports, 6 PCI slots, 1 ATA133 channels, 2 SATA channels, and supports up to DDR400. Of course, it only has 1 serial port, but with an empty PCI slot, you can get a pci serial board. ;)

Not a bad board, but I would never buy a KT600-based board. Heard way too much about the "cold-boot problems", that it seems to be a chipset issue. I could be wrong on that though. I really don't like Via's southbridges, my 8235 seems stable, but the performance is lacking enough to cause problems doing what I used to be able to do on my i440BX and even i430TX based boards.

I haven't had any issues with it. I have the non-gigabit version (-X or whatever), and it's been great. I just remembered it having a lot of PCI slots (replaced a motherboard with 2 slots), so that's why I mentioned it. ;)

Also, I can't remember exactly which board (the -X or not -X) but one of them was recommended by a developer of the OS I use. And if hardcore (and I do mean hardcore) developers like it, it's gotta be decent. :D

That board does fill the OP's criterion though, of a SocketA board with 6 PCI slots. Good find.

Thanks. And the above response to your post was just opinion. Although, I am a bit disappointed. I was PMed with a warning about how verbose you can be. :evil:
 

VirtualLarry

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Originally posted by: sunase
>>USB.
>My "PDA" is cheap, it only supports a serial port. Same with my PSX memcard reader, etc.
Just in case you ever have to use one, there are serial to USB adapters. I actually prefer being able to plug serial stuff into my hub or front panel using them. ^^

I actually saw one recently online, but when I looked at the details specs, it said that it only functions as a modem, not as a real "COM" port, which I thought was kind of surprising and annoying. Do they make ones that actually function as a true serial port, or is that a common limitation?

Like I know that most USB-to-Parallel adaptors, will only support non-bidirectional (or limited bidirectional) printers, and NOT any old parallel-port device (like parallel-port ZIP drives, LPT-to-PSX adaptors, etc.).
So it's my personal opinion, still, that "there's no substitute for the real thing", when it comes to legacy ports.

Then again, I still wish all mobos had at least a single ISA slot, for my good old SB16 AWE64 card, for the ultimate in DOS game compatibility. (In fact, if someone could make a USB dongle, with an external power-supply, that plugged into an ISA 16-bit card-edge connector socket... that would be perfect! (That is, if the drivers actually worked.) You could therefore still use a full-size 16-bit ISA card, in modern machines.
 

VirtualLarry

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Originally posted by: n0cmonkey
I meant motherboard. Some of the things you asked for can be had easily on a better motherboard (as represented in the suggestion below ;)). I agree with the sound card stuff though, but I got rid of my vortex 2 a long time ago. :p

Btw, random FYI here - I had to remove my Vortex2 card from my system, actually.

You're not going to believe this, but whenever I let my roommate (at the time) access my machine over the LAN (using onboard Via RhineII), my Vortex2 sound would stop working. Just completely stop.
It was the most absolutely bizarre thing I had ever seen, I thought I had some wierd spyware or virus... Nope. It turns out, that the Vortex2 drivers, were hardcoded to re-program a few of the chipset registers, and they were designed for the i440BX chipset, or at least an Intel one. So as it turned out, those drivers were twiddling some unrelated bits in my Via KT400/8235, and causing some rather occasionally-bizarre things to happen, like sound cutting out, or occasionally hard-locking the system up. (That happened when starting my WinTV TV-tuner app, sometimes, and sometimes when selecting the sound input channel.)

Once I had found that out about the Vortex2 drivers I didn't really have a choice, unless I wanted to risk data-corruption issues and whatnot. Too bad too, because on my i440BX system it was an outstanding sound card.

Matrox > * :p

I see that we are in agreement there. :)

My "PDA" is cheap, it only supports a serial port. Same with my PSX memcard reader, etc.
Upgrade. :D

Nah. My PDA cost me nearly squat. If it happens to get destroyed or I lose it, not a huge loss. (Except for my data, eek. I should back it up more often. The software is crappy though, it only runs under Win9x, and only with a slower CPU. I have to underclock my Athlon to 500Mhz for it to work properly. Yeah, I should upgrade. I missed out on that Hot Deal for the Palm original Zire model at Target for $20, would have liked that.)

Thanks. And the above response to your post was just opinion. Although, I am a bit disappointed. I was PMed with a warning about how verbose you can be. :evil:

Hmm. I don't know whether to laugh (in a good way), or apologize. I guess I'll apologize. Sorry. Maybe I should change my username to VirtualVerbosity.

My post was just opinion too, I assumed that some of your responses were kind of tounge-in-cheek. I wasn't seriously arguing either. I hope you didn't think that. It's always good to have more expansion room for "toys". I just hate it when mfg's give us new "tech toys" on mobos, but then proceed to take away our old, familiar ones. (Like serial/parallel ports.)

PS. If you happen to know how to get sync-on-green to work on a modern ATI or NVidia board, feel free to let me know. I would love to dump that pair of old 4MB 2D cards. They are actually quite slow compared to modern cards, even for 2D.
 

n0cmonkey

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Originally posted by: VirtualLarry
Originally posted by: n0cmonkey
I meant motherboard. Some of the things you asked for can be had easily on a better motherboard (as represented in the suggestion below ;)). I agree with the sound card stuff though, but I got rid of my vortex 2 a long time ago. :p

Btw, random FYI here - I had to remove my Vortex2 card from my system, actually.

You're not going to believe this, but whenever I let my roommate (at the time) access my machine over the LAN (using onboard Via RhineII), my Vortex2 sound would stop working. Just completely stop.
It was the most absolutely bizarre thing I had ever seen, I thought I had some wierd spyware or virus... Nope. It turns out, that the Vortex2 drivers, were hardcoded to re-program a few of the chipset registers, and they were designed for the i440BX chipset, or at least an Intel one. So as it turned out, those drivers were twiddling some unrelated bits in my Via KT400/8235, and causing some rather occasionally-bizarre things to happen, like sound cutting out, or occasionally hard-locking the system up. (That happened when starting my WinTV TV-tuner app, sometimes, and sometimes when selecting the sound input channel.)

Once I had found that out about the Vortex2 drivers I didn't really have a choice, unless I wanted to risk data-corruption issues and whatnot. Too bad too, because on my i440BX system it was an outstanding sound card.

Wierd. I gave mine away to a friend. I got some ensoniqpci sound card. :p Drivers were much much better.

Matrox > * :p

I see that we are in agreement there. :)

My "PDA" is cheap, it only supports a serial port. Same with my PSX memcard reader, etc.
Upgrade. :D

Nah. My PDA cost me nearly squat. If it happens to get destroyed or I lose it, not a huge loss. (Except for my data, eek. I should back it up more often. The software is crappy though, it only runs under Win9x, and only with a slower CPU. I have to underclock my Athlon to 500Mhz for it to work properly. Yeah, I should upgrade. I missed out on that Hot Deal for the Palm original Zire model at Target for $20, would have liked that.)

Thanks. And the above response to your post was just opinion. Although, I am a bit disappointed. I was PMed with a warning about how verbose you can be. :evil:

Hmm. I don't know whether to laugh (in a good way), or apologize. I guess I'll apologize. Sorry. Maybe I should change my username to VirtualVerbosity.

Laugh, I thought it was funny. :p

My post was just opinion too, I assumed that some of your responses were kind of tounge-in-cheek. I wasn't seriously arguing either. I hope you didn't think that. It's always good to have more expansion room for "toys". I just hate it when mfg's give us new "tech toys" on mobos, but then proceed to take away our old, familiar ones. (Like serial/parallel ports.)

I try not to take anything on AT too seriously. ;)

I can agree with the serial ports (as soon as I put them together I should have a couple of serial cables for my Sun machines), but the parallel was just useless. Despite the fact I have 2 parallel zip drives. :p

PS. If you happen to know how to get sync-on-green to work on a modern ATI or NVidia board, feel free to let me know. I would love to dump that pair of old 4MB 2D cards. They are actually quite slow compared to modern cards, even for 2D.

No clue. I put together a dual athlon 2400 and got an ATI rage pro for it. :D
 

sunase

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>>there are serial to USB adapters.

>Do they make ones that actually function as a true serial port, or is that a common limitation?

I actually never heard of that limitation. I use a Keyspan adapter and it works with both my archaic 1MP Olympus digicam and my Wacom tablet which both use serial interfaces. A modem sounds more complex actually, make sure it wasn't a feature they were advertising rather than a limitation.
 

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Note that the Albatron lacks the P4-12V connector, so you will need a stouter PSU to run it than you would on the properly designed mobos.
.bh.

There's the :sun: !