what's the case against a national ID card?

[Steeplerot]

Yeah and non participation will help that?

Its the only realistic option for change. We all owe the coming generations a better world. The status quo is set up to keep things profitable for the elites. Be the wrench in the machine you know is dying anyhow or another flawed cog wobbling about holding the mess half ass together.

 

[Freshgeardude]

10th amendment gives the states the rights to all other powers not granted to the government.

I know its been tossed aside by the necessary and proper clause, but that still hasnt stopped states from making their own laws, own state IDs, etc.

it also doesnt stop states from suing the federal government (states vs obamacare)

we dont need redundancy in the system.

state IDs work perfectly fine, we dont need the fed govt having more information on the citizens than it already has.


it would also most likely be required for everyone to carry/have, which would be illegal unless it was entirely free program, which means more tax payers money, which the fed govt doesnt have

lastly, im pretty sure the tea party and the rest of america are telling the government they want less government in their lives (recent elections had a sweep of republicans being voted in)

 

[BlahBlahYouToo]

What are the reasons to have one that make it worth the investment of time and capital?

getting rid of the illegals is enough reason for me.

 

[EagleKeeper]

State ID's work just fine.

Many states do not verify that you are legally entitled to an ID.

Therefore they can not substitute as a passport internally. for verification.

 

[wirednuts]

long as you don't need to carry them 24/7 and show them whenever asked..

if thats how fed id's worked id be all for it, cause we have to carry and show our state id's when asked as it is now

 

[FerrelGeek]

What section of the Constitution gives the federal government the authority to initiate a national ID program?

The commerce clause and the general wellfare clause, moron!!!

/sarcasm

 

[JockoJohnson]

Lots of people do not have bank accounts over the table jobs bills etc and are fine.living under the radar humbly. I do not support putting these people into a system they want no part of. Plenty folks who would just rather be left alone by the suicidal mainstream society crap rat race. This place started as a landto get a fresh start doing your own thing.

Holy shit, I agree with you! Hopefully my sarcasm meter isn't broken but I take it you are serious. If so, I totally agree with the statement.

 

[Schadenfroh]

Passports are not required unless you travel out of the country.

Not required, maybe, but I hold one for the purposes of proving my citizenship to certain officials. Much more convenient than having to take my social security card and birth certificates out of my fireproof safe and carrying them around. It is also an accepted form of photo id and they have a card sized one now.

 

[blackangst1]

We have a national ID, it is called a passport.

Correct. The better question should be "Whats the case against the requirement to carry a national ID card". Thats a more relevant discussion.

 

[ShawnD1]

i can't come up with a good reason not to have one, other than budgeting.

Canada already has a national ID card, we call them social insurance cards. I think Americans call them social security cards. They're not for getting into clubs. They're for starting bank accounts and things like that.

Hey I have an idea. Instead of starting a second card that is just as easy to forge as a state driver's license, you should enforce current laws and execute people who have fake drivers licenses. That includes teens trying to buy alcohol.

 

[IceBergSLiM]

One big federal government program is cheaper than 50 big state government programs. Efficiencies of scale. One datacenter to maintain instead of 50.

dissolve the states and have everything run at the federal level.

Efficiencies of scale? I think our current government is proof positive anything they do results in:

Efficiencies of Fail!

 

[dmcowen674]

what's the case against a national ID card?
i can't come up with a good reason not to have one, other than budgeting.

One more step closer to Logan's Run.

 

[wuliheron]

i can't come up with a good reason not to have one, other than budgeting.

How about it will be obsolete before they finish implementing it? They're already reading everyone's email, checking everyone's credit, and photographing everyone in public. Now the military is studying gene typing. That's the next big thing. Forget finger prints, retina scans, and all that crap. With gene typing they'll literally have you by the balls.

Spit on the sidewalk, they know who you are. Scratch yourself, they know who you are. Drink something, they know who you are and nothing you can do can disguise who you are.

 

[Whoozyerdaddy]

What's the point of having a national ID when every state ID is accepted in all 50 states?

Yeah... let's get the fed involved in even MORE of our lives.

 

[Craig234]

I think the case against it is:

- The idea that as part of freedom, you have the right to steer of government quite a bit - just file your taxes - if you want.

You don't need the government keeping track of you, your family - I think some would like to be able to have children and not register them with any government authority.

- The idea that such an id makes it a lot easier for the government to pursue a variety of bureaucratic measures that are more and more intrusive.

The ID could be used for any variety of things to track people. Want to buy a cell phone? Your national id has to be recorded.

Hey, maybe we should put in an RFID chip. A GPS locator.

It just has that feeling of being more in a 'police state', watched.

 

[QuantumPion]

I'd be in favor of a national Id card if it came with a national CCL.

 

[ShawnD1]

One more step closer to Logan's Run.

They already know how old you are. If they didn't, I would file for social security free moneys right now.

 

[classy]

Here in NJ, you need proof of residence, a birth certifcate and or SS card just to get a license. So I see no problem with it as long as I am not required to show it or carry it on my person at all times.

 

[JeffreyLebowski]

i can't come up with a good reason not to have one, other than budgeting.

Read the Consititution and you'll get your answer.
Tenth Amendment – Powers of States and people.
The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the States, are reserved to the States respectively, or to the people.

 

[JeffreyLebowski]

I think the case against it is:

- The idea that as part of freedom, you have the right to steer of government quite a bit - just file your taxes - if you want.

You don't need the government keeping track of you, your family - I think some would like to be able to have children and not register them with any government authority.

- The idea that such an id makes it a lot easier for the government to pursue a variety of bureaucratic measures that are more and more intrusive.

The ID could be used for any variety of things to track people. Want to buy a cell phone? Your national id has to be recorded.

Hey, maybe we should put in an RFID chip. A GPS locator.

It just has that feeling of being more in a 'police state', watched.

Holy shit. Craig said something I agree with.

 

[ShawnD1]

Here in NJ, you need proof of residence, a birth certifcate and or SS card just to get a license. So I see no problem with it as long as I am not required to show it or carry it on my person at all times.

That explains why Obama doesn't live in NJ :hmm:


Seriously though, just round up and shoot all the people with fake ID and there won't be a problem. Instead of making a national ID card, make a national minimum security standard for state IDs. It must have the following security features: .....