Whats the big deal about 1000 yard rushers in the NFL

[PlatinumGold]

Originally posted by: preslove

Originally posted by: PlatinumGold

Originally posted by: meltdown75
i miss Barry

what is it with people and Barry?? he QUIT.

and don't give me the excuse of how bad his team was. as Peyton what it was like playing for the Bears all those years? or OJ playing for the Bills. . . .

many good and great RB's have played all their careers for bad teams, a lot of them didn't just QUIT like barry did.

basically, he made a lot of money and was happy with the money. no sense of history, no sense of records. no dedication.

he quit.

That's a real asshat thing to say. Running backs pretty much take the worst beating of all the positions. That beating can shorten the lives and hinder the qaulity of those lives dramatically. Sanders went out in his prime and didn't wait around to get the rest of his internal organs squished to jelly.

He, and everyone else, knew that the Lions wouldn't get a chance at the post season for a long long long time, so who cares if he quit?

BS, QB's take the worst beating. WR's take big hits. RB's are pretty low on damage to their bodies. on average which positions spend more time on Injured Lists during any given season? QB's lead the way.

it's one thing to walk away like Jim Brown did, but it's another to do it the way barry sanders did.

again, barry sanders compared to emmitt smith or Walter payton, i'd take sweetness or emmitt smith over barry sanders.

 

[Ace McCloud]

I agree. Many NFL teams use this method for instant improvement in the NFL:

(1) Lose nearly all your games to earn a high draft pick
(2) Select a star college running back
(3) Insert him into the starting lineup and let him run like crazy over opposing defenses.

I don't like this method and I don't think many other ppl do as well, but he bottom line is that sometimes, it really works.

 

[PlatinumGold]

Originally posted by: Ace McCloud
I agree. Many NFL teams use this method for instant improvement in the NFL:

(1) Lose nearly all your games to earn a high draft pick
(2) Select a star college running back
(3) Insert him into the starting lineup and let him run like crazy over opposing defenses.

I don't like this method and I don't think many other ppl do as well, but he bottom line is that sometimes, it really works.

interestingly enough, i think NFL teams run now more than they did in the 80's. i don't seem to remember nearly as many RB's make the impact on the NFL game they do today.

 

[Tylanner]

Originally posted by: Ace McCloud
Getting on topic...

Having a 1000 yar seaon designated an average running back from an everyday, everydown running back. About 15-25 runningback do it every season but, that is what a 1000 yard running back means. If you get 1500 yards in a season that means at it has already been said, you are a sensational runningback, and are among the best in the league.

What is really looked at as being a great running back in the league now is 1200 yards for a rooie running back and around 1500 - 1600 for a great running back in the league. These are all of the names of the running backs to achieve 1200 yards in their rookie year.
Name..........................Team.........Year...Atts.....Yds....Avg....TDs

Eric Dickerson............L.A. Rams....1983...390....1,808...4.6....18
George Rogers.........New Orleans...1981...378 ...1,674...4.4....13
O.J. Anderson...St. Louis Cardinals...1979...331...1,605...4.8.....8
Edgerrin James........Indianapolis......1999...369...1,553...4.2...13
Curtis Martin...........New England.....1995...368...1,487...4.0....14
Mike Anderson............Denver.........2000...297...1,487...5.0....15
Barry Sanders.............Detroit..........1989...280..1,470...5.3....14
Earl Campbell............Houston..........1978...302...1,450...4.8....13
Curt Warner..............Seattle...........1983...335...1,449...4.3....13
Jerome Bettis..........L.A. Rams........1993...294....1,429...4.9.....7
Eddie George.............Houston.........1996...335....1,368...4.1.....8
Jamal Lewis..............Baltimore.......2000...309....1,364...4.4.....6
Rueben Mayes........New Orleans.....1986...286....1,353...4.7.....8
Billy Sims.................Detroit............1980...313...1,303...4.2....13
Marshall Faulk........Indianapolis.......1994...314...1,282...4.1....11
Fred Taylor.............Jacksonville......1998...264....1,223...4.6....14

Much to say, most of, if not all of these guys are hall of fame or noteable at their position.

Clinton Portis? 1508y 5.5a 15td?

 

[Ace McCloud]

Originally posted by: PlatinumGold

Originally posted by: preslove

Originally posted by: PlatinumGold

Originally posted by: meltdown75
i miss Barry

what is it with people and Barry?? he QUIT.

and don't give me the excuse of how bad his team was. as Peyton what it was like playing for the Bears all those years? or OJ playing for the Bills. . . .

many good and great RB's have played all their careers for bad teams, a lot of them didn't just QUIT like barry did.

basically, he made a lot of money and was happy with the money. no sense of history, no sense of records. no dedication.

he quit.

That's a real asshat thing to say. Running backs pretty much take the worst beating of all the positions. That beating can shorten the lives and hinder the qaulity of those lives dramatically. Sanders went out in his prime and didn't wait around to get the rest of his internal organs squished to jelly.

He, and everyone else, knew that the Lions wouldn't get a chance at the post season for a long long long time, so who cares if he quit?

BS, QB's take the worst beating. WR's take big hits. RB's are pretty low on damage to their bodies. on average which positions spend more time on Injured Lists during any given season? QB's lead the way.

it's one thing to walk away like Jim Brown did, but it's another to do it the way barry sanders did.

again, barry sanders compared to emmitt smith or Walter payton, i'd take sweetness or emmitt smith over barry sanders.

I agree on taking Emmitt or Sweetness but running backs take more beatings. The only reason QB's are on the DL so often is becasue they are so vulnerable to getting hit. Almost every running play they get hit by a 230+ lb linebacker running forcefully at them and then a pile forming of 300+ lb linemen on them. Running back are more durable than QB's b/c they take the hits and know how to be aware of things around them that QBs. WR's rarely take big hit, or nearly as many big hits as running backs. Qbs don't run around as much as RBs so they are no prone to turf toe or ankle sprains or ACL/MCL injuries also... not to mention getting crushed by a Ray Lewis.

 

[meltdown75]

Originally posted by: PlatinumGold
again, barry sanders compared to emmitt smith or Walter payton, i'd take sweetness or emmitt smith over barry sanders.

interesting - i always found Emmitt to be a step down from Barry and more of a "straight-ahead" runner who depended more on good blocks.

 

[Ace McCloud]

Originally posted by: Tylanner

Originally posted by: Ace McCloud
Getting on topic...

Having a 1000 yar seaon designated an average running back from an everyday, everydown running back. About 15-25 runningback do it every season but, that is what a 1000 yard running back means. If you get 1500 yards in a season that means at it has already been said, you are a sensational runningback, and are among the best in the league.

What is really looked at as being a great running back in the league now is 1200 yards for a rooie running back and around 1500 - 1600 for a great running back in the league. These are all of the names of the running backs to achieve 1200 yards in their rookie year.
Name..........................Team.........Year...Atts.....Yds....Avg....TDs

Eric Dickerson............L.A. Rams....1983...390....1,808...4.6....18
George Rogers.........New Orleans...1981...378 ...1,674...4.4....13
O.J. Anderson...St. Louis Cardinals...1979...331...1,605...4.8.....8
Edgerrin James........Indianapolis......1999...369...1,553...4.2...13
Curtis Martin...........New England.....1995...368...1,487...4.0....14
Mike Anderson............Denver.........2000...297...1,487...5.0....15
Barry Sanders.............Detroit..........1989...280..1,470...5.3....14
Earl Campbell............Houston..........1978...302...1,450...4.8....13
Curt Warner..............Seattle...........1983...335...1,449...4.3....13
Jerome Bettis..........L.A. Rams........1993...294....1,429...4.9.....7
Eddie George.............Houston.........1996...335....1,368...4.1.....8
Jamal Lewis..............Baltimore.......2000...309....1,364...4.4.....6
Rueben Mayes........New Orleans.....1986...286....1,353...4.7.....8
Billy Sims.................Detroit............1980...313...1,303...4.2....13
Marshall Faulk........Indianapolis.......1994...314...1,282...4.1....11
Fred Taylor.............Jacksonville......1998...264....1,223...4.6....14

Much to say, most of, if not all of these guys are hall of fame or noteable at their position.

Clinton Portis? 1508y 5.5a 15td?

It wasn't the most updated website so it may have missed a few.

 

[PlatinumGold]

Originally posted by: meltdown75

Originally posted by: PlatinumGold
again, barry sanders compared to emmitt smith or Walter payton, i'd take sweetness or emmitt smith over barry sanders.

interesting - i always found Emmitt to be a step down from Barry and more of a "straight-ahead" runner who depended more on good blocks.

the reason i like emmitt is, he's more of a fullback type rb. kind of what you said, but you can build an offense and an offensive plan around him. he was pretty much guaranteed to get you 4 to 7 yds per carry. dallas game plan, run emmitt on first down, gain 4 to 7 yds, play action pass or dump off to TE / RB for second down, usually get the first if not, run emmitt on 3rd down to get first. you could pretty much count on things to work with that offense. when they were in their prime, the dallas offense was scary good.

barry sanders was a big gain or small gain or small loss type back. he'll break more then emmitt, that i'll give you, but it is also harder to draw a game plan around barry's style. if you run barry 1st down and he loses your 2 or 3, guess what, you have to throw on 2nd down.

was emmitt all just about his system? i don't think so, look at emmitts numbers with arizona his last year. he was still a competitive back, albeit one of the worst starting RB's in the NFL but that was WAYYYY wayy past his prime. given the same offensive line he had with arizona in his prime i bet he would still have put up prime time numbers.

same with barry, put him behind the dallas offensive line during the prime years and he would still have been great, but i can't say he would have been better than emmitt.

 

[Ace McCloud]

Originally posted by: meltdown75

Originally posted by: PlatinumGold
again, barry sanders compared to emmitt smith or Walter payton, i'd take sweetness or emmitt smith over barry sanders.

interesting - i always found Emmitt to be a step down from Barry and more of a "straight-ahead" runner who depended more on good blocks.

Emmitt Smith has a great line in front of him for a long time. Dallas always had huge, talented OLs, but that didn't take away from what a great and durable running back he was. Out of 4924 recorded times in touching the ball (Rushing and Receptions) he only fumles the ball 61 times. Which = about 1% of the time or 1/100 attempts he fumbled the ball... I think that is pretty dang good. Smth also had 2 bad hips, 2 bad knees, 1 bad shoulder, and 1 bad foot during most of his career. I'm not saying that Swetness isn't great. I just think they are on the same level.

 

[meltdown75]

yeah it's tough to say.

Barry was definitely a 1,2,1,-1,-3,55-yd type of guy.

both were amazing respectively.

interesting to think who will make it up to those heights... Holmes, Tomlinson, Alexander? heck, even Thomas Jones looked pretty good yesterday, but he was running against the Lions so it doesn't count.

actually their D is the one thing I can be proud of this year. i love Earl Holmes.

 

[Excelsior]

Originally posted by: PlatinumGold

Originally posted by: preslove

Originally posted by: PlatinumGold

Originally posted by: meltdown75
i miss Barry

what is it with people and Barry?? he QUIT.

and don't give me the excuse of how bad his team was. as Peyton what it was like playing for the Bears all those years? or OJ playing for the Bills. . . .

many good and great RB's have played all their careers for bad teams, a lot of them didn't just QUIT like barry did.

basically, he made a lot of money and was happy with the money. no sense of history, no sense of records. no dedication.

he quit.

That's a real asshat thing to say. Running backs pretty much take the worst beating of all the positions. That beating can shorten the lives and hinder the qaulity of those lives dramatically. Sanders went out in his prime and didn't wait around to get the rest of his internal organs squished to jelly.

He, and everyone else, knew that the Lions wouldn't get a chance at the post season for a long long long time, so who cares if he quit?

BS, QB's take the worst beating. WR's take big hits. RB's are pretty low on damage to their bodies. on average which positions spend more time on Injured Lists during any given season? QB's lead the way.

it's one thing to walk away like Jim Brown did, but it's another to do it the way barry sanders did.

again, barry sanders compared to emmitt smith or Walter payton, i'd take sweetness or emmitt smith over barry sanders.

Dude..no..QBs do not take nearly the same level of beating. They might get sacked 5-10 times a game...but on pretty much every rush attempt, a RB will get hit by at least one defensive player, if not 3 or 4.

And most would agree, QBs are much less "durable" than RBs.

 

[Ace McCloud]

Originally posted by: meltdown75
yeah it's tough to say.

Barry was definitely a 1,2,1,-1,-3,55-yd type of guy.

both were amazing respectively.

interesting to think who will make it up to those heights... Holmes, Tomlinson, Alexander? heck, even Thomas Jones looked pretty good yesterday, but he was running against the Lions so it doesn't count.

actually their D is the one thing I can be proud of this year. i love Earl Holmes.

I believe that LT has the most potential to become a HoF RB. Given how he is off and on the field and how he trains he has the most potential. He hasn't run for over a 100 in the past few weeks, but Emmitt, Sweetness, and Barry all had their up and down games.

Also something that LT has that none of the above running backs has is great recieving hands. He is a threat running the ball and catching the ball.

Even Thomas Jones when he comes back from the DL has great potential to be a top running back

 

[PlatinumGold]

Originally posted by: Ace McCloud

Originally posted by: meltdown75
yeah it's tough to say.

Barry was definitely a 1,2,1,-1,-3,55-yd type of guy.

both were amazing respectively.

interesting to think who will make it up to those heights... Holmes, Tomlinson, Alexander? heck, even Thomas Jones looked pretty good yesterday, but he was running against the Lions so it doesn't count.

actually their D is the one thing I can be proud of this year. i love Earl Holmes.

I believe that LT has the most potential to become a HoF RB. Given how he is off and on the field and how he trains he has the most potential. He hasn't run for over a 100 in the past few weeks, but Emmitt, Sweetness, and Barry all had their up and down games.

Also something that LT has that none of the above running backs has is great recieving hands. He is a threat running the ball and catching the ball.

Even Thomas Jones when he comes back from the DL has great potential to be a top running back

Thurman Thomas (who hasn't been mentioned yet) did have great hands, he was Marshall Faulk before Marshall Faulk.

 

[Ace McCloud]

Originally posted by: PlatinumGold

Originally posted by: Ace McCloud

Originally posted by: meltdown75
yeah it's tough to say.

Barry was definitely a 1,2,1,-1,-3,55-yd type of guy.

both were amazing respectively.

interesting to think who will make it up to those heights... Holmes, Tomlinson, Alexander? heck, even Thomas Jones looked pretty good yesterday, but he was running against the Lions so it doesn't count.

actually their D is the one thing I can be proud of this year. i love Earl Holmes.

I believe that LT has the most potential to become a HoF RB. Given how he is off and on the field and how he trains he has the most potential. He hasn't run for over a 100 in the past few weeks, but Emmitt, Sweetness, and Barry all had their up and down games.

Also something that LT has that none of the above running backs has is great recieving hands. He is a threat running the ball and catching the ball.

Even Thomas Jones when he comes back from the DL has great potential to be a top running back

Thurman Thomas (who hasn't been mentioned yet) did have great hands, he was Marshall Faulk before Marshall Faulk.

True, Thuman Thomas did have good hands and he did set some of the standard of being and running/passing RB, there are many others as well. Eric Dickerson was good out of the backfield since they ran from the run and shoot a lot. Marion Butts was a threat lining up as a wide out for the Chargers also

 

[salt9876]

The stat that is most impressive is when some1 hits 2000 yards. How many RB's you see doing that each year.

 

[Ace McCloud]

Originally posted by: salt9876
The stat that is most impressive is when some1 hits 2000 yards. How many RB's you see doing that each year.

In college football only 31 players have ever had over over 2000 yards in a season... including:
Barry Sanders - 2628
Marcus Allen - 2342
LaDainian Tomlinson - 2158
Rickey Williams - 2124
Rashaan Salaam - 2055

In the NFL only 5 player have achieved this milestone:
Eric Dickerson - 2105
Jamal Lewis - 2066
Barry Sanders - 2053
Terrell Davis - 2008
O.J. Simpson - 2003