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What's so great about Fidel?
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Lemon law
Lifer
In terms of Castro, it a viewpoint thing. If you were at the top end of the economic ladder when Castro took over, he was a disaster, if you were on the bottom end of the economic ladder, Castro has been great. With a greatly improved medical system we might do some serious looking at.
Under Batista, the majority of Cubans were seriously oppressed. Of course the oppressors within Cuba saw it differently.
Of course our policy has always been to try everything possible to boycott and destroy the Cuban economy, and then say, see communism does not work.
And now the Cuban top of the heaps types that fled now dominate parts of Florida. And as now naturalized citizens and voters, its politically risky to offend them. And its long been said that we don't have a Cuban foreign policy, we have a South Florida foreign policy. But as the first generation of those who fled die off with their dreams to return to Cuba with them, the second and third generations are not so irrational and they mostly have no desire to return. So there is some hope we can get a more rational Cuban foreign policy someday.
Under Batista, the majority of Cubans were seriously oppressed. Of course the oppressors within Cuba saw it differently.
Of course our policy has always been to try everything possible to boycott and destroy the Cuban economy, and then say, see communism does not work.
And now the Cuban top of the heaps types that fled now dominate parts of Florida. And as now naturalized citizens and voters, its politically risky to offend them. And its long been said that we don't have a Cuban foreign policy, we have a South Florida foreign policy. But as the first generation of those who fled die off with their dreams to return to Cuba with them, the second and third generations are not so irrational and they mostly have no desire to return. So there is some hope we can get a more rational Cuban foreign policy someday.
XMan
Lifer
The New York Times . . . Naomi Campbell . . . Oliver Stone . . . Harry Belafonte . . . etc.
Have you watched any of the press coverage?
NYT: The charismatic Cuban leader seized power in January 1959 after waging a guerrilla war against the then-dictator Fulgencio Batista, promising to restore the Cuban constitution and hold elections.
Why, he's just like George Washington! :roll:
Reuters: A charismatic leader famous for his long speeches delivered in his green military fatigues, Castro is admired in the Third World for standing up to the United States but considered by his opponents a tyrant who suppressed freedom.
More:
?Very selfless and moral. One of the world?s wisest men.? ?Oliver Stone.
?Cuba?s Elvis.? ?Dan Rather.
?Castro is at the same time the island, the men, the cattle, and the earth. He is the whole island.? ?Jean Paul-Sartre.
?A dream come true!? ?Naomi Campbell.
?If you believe in freedom, if you believe in justice, if you believe in democracy, you have no choice but to support Fidel Castro!? ?Harry Belafonte.
?A genius.? ?Jack Nicholson.
?Fidel, I love you. We both have beards. We both have power and want to use it for good purposes.? ?Francis Ford Coppola.
?The first and greatest hero to appear in the world since the Second World War.? ?Norman Mailer.
?Socialism works. I think Cuba might prove that.? ?Chevy Chase.
?Castro is an extraordinary man. He is warm and understanding and seems extremely humane.? ?Gina Lollobrigida.
palehorse
Lifer
wtf?!
edit: nevermind.. I found your source
I'm too lazy to find out how are accurate the quotes are, but knowing how far to the Left Hollywood has been, I wouldnt be surprised to learn they're all true...
XMan
Lifer
You think so?
Cuba claims to have an infant mortality rate slightly lower than the U.S. But upon further examination, this claim is quite misleading. The reality is that Cuban physicians are coerced into using extraordinary means to skew the infant mortality rate in return for financial incentives. "Life support may be artificially instituted and continued on an individual infant...to achieve a numerical goal in the infant mortality of a particular health sector or region."
The article reveals that the mortality rate of children in Cuba from 1 to 4 years is 34 percent HIGHER than the U.S. (11.8 versus 8.8 per 1000). Also, the maternal mortality rate in Cuba is almost FOUR TIMES that of the U.S. rate (33 versus 8.4 per 1000).
...
Only 25 percent of Cuban-trained physicians pass the medical exams required to practice in the U.S.
Sounds great to me . . . oh, yeah, and if their healthcare is so great, why doesn't Fidel use it?
Second, he was operated on in Cairo in 1990 by Professor Ahmed Shafik, who I interviewed by telephone at the beginning of July.
Why anybody would believe what a totalitarian regime spews is beyond me. Who is acocuntable for gathering these stats in a state run hospital? The state? Gee conflict of interest much?
I get this vision from V for Vendetta. The scene where it is a spoof of the chancellor on the tv show. And when people clap the video pans over to troops with guns pointed at them to clap. In this case my vision is a doctor on the podium in front of the TV camera talking about the best healthcare in the world with troops pointing guns at him off stage.
Vic
Elite Member
Nothing. He was just a modern king pretending to be a communist, and throwing a few scraps to the poor now and then in order to stay in power and to impress the useful idiots abroad, following the examples of every successful ruthless king in history. The truth is that he seized power through violent and illegal means, murdered tens of thousands of his own people for being "counterrevolutionaries," stole billions of dollars in property (Castro's personal fortune made him one of the world's wealthiest persons), forced thousands of Cubans into exile, and did not allow any semblance of democracy in his government for the first ~20 years of his rule.
Spin that all you want. And the reason Cubans get "free" healthcare is because they don't get paychecks.
Quick! Somebody bring up Bastista and the embargo again!
Spin that all you want. And the reason Cubans get "free" healthcare is because they don't get paychecks.
Quick! Somebody bring up Bastista and the embargo again!
I don't know where you are reading about Fidel Castro being so great, but 95% of news sources would consider him a dictator and a "bad person". That fact that a few liberal media sources, or liberal people think hs is so great doesn't change the fact that the VAST majority of Americans do not like him.
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