what's religion's stance on masturbation?

[alkemyst]

just don't let God see you do it. Make sure the door is locked and there are no windows.

 

[chuckywang]

Originally posted by: Nik
The Bible does not actually say either way. Any decision either way is simple indoctrination by those you learn from.

So, Nik. Did you grow up afraid to touch yourself?

 

[glen]

Originally posted by: Nik
The Bible does not actually say either way. Any decision either way is simple indoctrination by those you learn from.

The Bible was never intended to be the complete and final word on things - hence, Christ established the Church.

 

[ProviaFan]

Originally posted by: glen

Originally posted by: Nik
The Bible does not actually say either way. Any decision either way is simple indoctrination by those you learn from.

The Bible was never intended to be the complete and final word on things - hence, Christ established the Church.

Hmm, not sure I understand... So he made Peter the first pope (sure, he was qualified*), so down through the years men who happened to be popular or have the right amount of money at the right time could tell everyone in that church what the Bible really meant, all the while hiding the original stuff from the masses by forcing it to be kept in Latin and killing anybody who tried to translate it into a common language.

For what it's worth, I never understood the anti-birth control thing either... Even inside of a marriage, condoms are forbidden. I'd like to see where they get that from scripture (a "papal bull" doesn't count).

*for the uninformed, popes (and priests) are forbidden to marry

 

[NikPreviousAcct]

Originally posted by: ProviaFan

Originally posted by: glen

Originally posted by: Nik
The Bible does not actually say either way. Any decision either way is simple indoctrination by those you learn from.

The Bible was never intended to be the complete and final word on things - hence, Christ established the Church.

Hmm, not sure I understand... So he made Peter the first pope (sure, he was qualified*), so down through the years men who happened to be popular or have the right amount of money at the right time could tell everyone in that church what the Bible really meant, all the while hiding the original stuff from the masses by forcing it to be kept in Latin and killing anybody who tried to translate it into a common language.

For what it's worth, I never understood the anti-birth control thing either... Even inside of a marriage, condoms are forbidden. I'd like to see where they get that from scripture (a "papal bull" doesn't count).

*for the uninformed, popes (and priests) are forbidden to marry

Christ never made Peter the first pope. That's yet another Catholic assumption. The original text never says anything about Peter being the first pope. Hell the word Catholic isn't in the original text! Christ built his "church" on the underlying point of Peter's answer to Christ's question "who do you say I am," not Peter himself. It wouldn't have mattered if Peter was there to answer or my neighbor's dog. It's the faith behind the answer, not the man who said it.

I've never understood the anti-birth control thing, myself. Just another legalistic ritualistic LAW drummed up by MAN but falsely attributed to God. I'll give you one guess as to who made it.

Don't listen to the twisted Catholic views of what they think the Bible should say. Read it straight from the source.

 

[Kenazo]

LOL, the googleadwords add is funny:

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[ProviaFan]

Originally posted by: Nik
Christ never made Peter the first pope. That's yet another Catholic assumption. The original text never says anything about Peter being the first pope. Hell the word Catholic isn't in the original text! Christ built his "church" on the underlying point of Peter's answer to Christ's question "who do you say I am," not Peter himself. It wouldn't have mattered if Peter was there to answer or my neighbor's dog. It's the faith behind the answer, not the man who said it.

I've never understood the anti-birth control thing, myself. Just another legalistic ritualistic LAW drummed up by MAN but falsely attributed to God. I'll give you one guess as to who made it.

Don't listen to the twisted Catholic views of what they think the Bible should say. Read it straight from the source.

I think I agree with you on pretty much everything that you said in that post (there was a bit of sarcasm in mine). :thumbsup:

 

[Zanix]

Originally posted by: Insomniak

Originally posted by: pclstyle

Originally posted by: Insomniak
Religion's position on anything is largely irrelevant to me.

Similarly, your position on religion is highly irrelevant to it.

Not a jab, just a statement.

Absolutely true. No offense taken. I am content with live and let live. It's when the religious go looking for "converts" that I get testy.

There no room for reasonablity in OT.

 

[Zanix]

Originally posted by: Nik

Originally posted by: ProviaFan

Originally posted by: glen

Originally posted by: Nik
The Bible does not actually say either way. Any decision either way is simple indoctrination by those you learn from.

The Bible was never intended to be the complete and final word on things - hence, Christ established the Church.

Hmm, not sure I understand... So he made Peter the first pope (sure, he was qualified*), so down through the years men who happened to be popular or have the right amount of money at the right time could tell everyone in that church what the Bible really meant, all the while hiding the original stuff from the masses by forcing it to be kept in Latin and killing anybody who tried to translate it into a common language.

For what it's worth, I never understood the anti-birth control thing either... Even inside of a marriage, condoms are forbidden. I'd like to see where they get that from scripture (a "papal bull" doesn't count).

*for the uninformed, popes (and priests) are forbidden to marry

Christ never made Peter the first pope. That's yet another Catholic assumption. The original text never says anything about Peter being the first pope. Hell the word Catholic isn't in the original text! Christ built his "church" on the underlying point of Peter's answer to Christ's question "who do you say I am," not Peter himself. It wouldn't have mattered if Peter was there to answer or my neighbor's dog. It's the faith behind the answer, not the man who said it.

I've never understood the anti-birth control thing, myself. Just another legalistic ritualistic LAW drummed up by MAN but falsely attributed to God. I'll give you one guess as to who made it.

Don't listen to the twisted Catholic views of what they think the Bible should say. Read it straight from the source.

All this stuff stems from St. Tomas Aquinas. He was the one that said that any use of our bodies other than what they were intended for was a sin. Hence wankin inthe toilet isn't making a baby, and is a sin.

Here's a linky.

The church took that stuff to heart big time.

To me it doesn't make much sence. That's like saying chewing bubble gum is a sin because you're not eating it.

 

[BurnItDwn]

:thumbsup: :thumbsup: :thumbsup:

 

[jjzelinski]

Well according to religion masturbation is a great thing! In fact man was born when Ra took himself into his hands and spilled his seed onto the earth!


And for all you haters, this religion is older than your religion so

 

[alkemyst]

most of the anti masturbation / birth control was to promote more church members and tax payers.

That fact doesn't prove/disprove God or the Bible, but many will wrap that into believing it = you don't believe in God.

 

[GagHalfrunt]

The catholics have very strict rules. Little boys touching themselves is a no-no. A priest touching little boys is perfectly okay.

 

[dderidex]

Originally posted by: PricklyPete
Definitely :thumbsdown:

It is one of the many reason's I'm going to Hell.

But apparantely it is just fine if I was married and my wife used her hand...

[sarcastic] The Bible is REALLY specific on this stuff. [/sarcastic]

Just FYI - yes, yes that IS 'just fine'

RE: Protestant view on it.

Keep in mind "the Catholic view" is not ALWAYS more strict. Protestant sects wildly range on extremism.

You'll recall that the 'Pilgrims' came to the New World to practice their religion because they couldn't find any in Europe strict enough for them! There are a number of such sects in the US (Shakers, for example) that teach that sex of ANY kind - even between husband and wife - is a sin. A lot of 'Evangelical' sects of Protestanism are MUCH more extreme than Catholicism...

Although I will grant that mainstream Protestant sects tend to be a little more open on the topic than mainstream Catholicism.

 

[NogginBoink]

The Catechism of the Catholic Church sez:

2352 By masturbation is to be understood the deliberate stimulation of the genital organs in order to derive sexual pleasure. "Both the Magisterium of the Church, in the course of a constant tradition, and the moral sense of the faithful have been in no doubt and have firmly maintained that masturbation is an intrinsically and gravely disordered action."137 "The deliberate use of the sexual faculty, for whatever reason, outside of marriage is essentially contrary to its purpose." For here sexual pleasure is sought outside of "the sexual relationship which is demanded by the moral order and in which the total meaning of mutual self-giving and human procreation in the context of true love is achieved."138

To form an equitable judgment about the subjects' moral responsibility and to guide pastoral action, one must take into account the affective immaturity, force of acquired habit, conditions of anxiety or other psychological or social factors that lessen, if not even reduce to a minimum, moral culpability.

 

[NogginBoink]

Hey! I just read that, and if "force of habit" can "reduce to a minimum" my moral culpability, I'm in good shape! Woo hoo!

 

[NikPreviousAcct]

Originally posted by: NogginBoink
The Catechism of the Catholic Church sez:

2352 By masturbation is to be understood the deliberate stimulation of the genital organs in order to derive sexual pleasure. "Both the Magisterium of the Church, in the course of a constant tradition, and the moral sense of the faithful have been in no doubt and have firmly maintained that masturbation is an intrinsically and gravely disordered action."137 "The deliberate use of the sexual faculty, for whatever reason, outside of marriage is essentially contrary to its purpose." For here sexual pleasure is sought outside of "the sexual relationship which is demanded by the moral order and in which the total meaning of mutual self-giving and human procreation in the context of true love is achieved."138

To form an equitable judgment about the subjects' moral responsibility and to guide pastoral action, one must take into account the affective immaturity, force of acquired habit, conditions of anxiety or other psychological or social factors that lessen, if not even reduce to a minimum, moral culpability.

Yes, but it's the Catholic church, not what Christ taught so it's automatically disqualified.

 

[alkemyst]

a lot of these religious rules are actually still laws in most of the country.

there are some laws that forbid anything but missionary sex and only for conception.

 

[Platypus]

Who gives a fvck ?

 

[Red Dawn]

Moses sayeth "When in doubt whip it out" and it was good!

 

[piroroadkill]

Originally posted by: Sheepathon
95% of people masturbate, officially, and the other 5% have been known to lie.

Fixed.

 

[Geekbabe]

You can't love others unless you can love yourself ?

 

[klah]

Originally posted by: shud
So, more importantly, do girls do it a lot? :/

Yep.

http://www.indiana.edu/~kinsey/research/ak-data.html

 

[Jassi]

Originally posted by: klah

Originally posted by: shud
So, more importantly, do girls do it a lot? :/

Yep.

http://www.indiana.edu/~kinsey/research/ak-data.html

Very enlightening but I disagree with some stats. Also, its probably out of date by now.

 

[CStan]

Originally posted by: ProviaFan

Originally posted by: glen

Originally posted by: Nik
The Bible does not actually say either way. Any decision either way is simple indoctrination by those you learn from.

The Bible was never intended to be the complete and final word on things - hence, Christ established the Church.

Hmm, not sure I understand... So he made Peter the first pope (sure, he was qualified*), so down through the years men who happened to be popular or have the right amount of money at the right time could tell everyone in that church what the Bible really meant, all the while hiding the original stuff from the masses by forcing it to be kept in Latin and killing anybody who tried to translate it into a common language.

For what it's worth, I never understood the anti-birth control thing either... Even inside of a marriage, condoms are forbidden. I'd like to see where they get that from scripture (a "papal bull" doesn't count).

*for the uninformed, popes (and priests) are forbidden to marry

I thought priests were allowed to marry until the 10th or 11th century. Personally, I don't really care for the Catholic Church, seeing their track record when they were all corrupt (read: taking money and getting accepted into heaven amoung many). I don't like how popes are infallible (sp?) since they are human, and how they can just make any rules, without biblical proof. Isn't Catholicism based on CHrist's teachings?

Other weird things, (correct me if I'm wrong), is how Jesus allowed men to forgive eachother's sins. Did this mean confessions, and all that formal stuff? Or did Jesus basically say "Hey, say sorry to eachother, and if everythings cool, God has no beef".

Going back to the topic of masturbation, doesn't sperm get absorbed into your bloodstream if it isn't used (does it get digested)?