What's going to happen when Obama pulls troops out of Iraq?

[umbrella39]

Originally posted by: Scarpozzi
Are we simply forgetting that they blew up the WTC? I think we should stay there and make sure they don't reorganize for another attack on the US.

Iraq blew up the WTC?

 

[manowar821]

I raged for like, 2 minutes.

 

[brandonbull]

Originally posted by: Stunt

Originally posted by: dmcowen674

Originally posted by: Scarpozzi
Topic Title: What's going to happen when Obama pulls troops out of Iraq?

We save $10 billion a month that we can use to help our own country.

How are those costs calculated?
Technically infrastructure is contracted to American companies, troops wages are spent at home, manufacture of weapons and equipment is technology intensive and all done at home.

I really question how much money is actually "saved" by ending the war. Don't get me wrong i do not support the war and I'd like to see a pull out but you aren't going to save $10B a month...that's just politicians simplifying things for the sheep.

$10B on military won't harm or benefit the economy any more than spending on healthcare.

$10B/month wouldn't help? If the Big 3 automakers fail, then tell the 3M people SOL on a job and all the lost tax revenues. That $10B could help support them to keep millions of jobs.

 

[Corbett]

Originally posted by: PC Surgeon

Originally posted by: Scarpozzi
Are we simply forgetting that they blew up the WTC? I think we should stay there and make sure they don't reorganize for another attack on the US.

Who blew up the WTC?

Muslim terrorists which are now in Iraq.

 

[umbrella39]

Really? I think that they are actually all, dead now. Have been since 2001. And they didn't blow it up, they flew planes into it.

 

[Hayabusa Rider]

Originally posted by: Corbett

Originally posted by: PC Surgeon

Originally posted by: Scarpozzi
Are we simply forgetting that they blew up the WTC? I think we should stay there and make sure they don't reorganize for another attack on the US.

Who blew up the WTC?

Muslim terrorists which are now in Iraq.

And were just about everywhere else in the region BUT Iraq. Through the direct actions of the US. Al Qaeda is spending the resources needed to keep us in Iraq, but they will not make themselves extinct in order to satisfy the Bush doctrine. Saddam kept fundamentalists out of Iraq, and GWB held up the "Mission Accomplished, come on in" sign by his actions. A jr high student should have seen that coming. I've never seen such a stunning misunderstanding of a military situation in my life, and that included VN, something I am personally familiar with.

 

[Baked]

Originally posted by: boomerang
I'm wondering where the returning soldiers are going to find a job.

They'll be ship out to invade other countries.

 

[bamacre]

Originally posted by: Evan

Originally posted by: bamacre

Originally posted by: PC Surgeon

Originally posted by: dmcowen674

Originally posted by: Scarpozzi
Topic Title: What's going to happen when Obama pulls troops out of Iraq?

We save $10 billion a month that we can use to help our own country.

Logic goes against the neocon agenda. Don't make their heads explode!

Except it isn't logic. That money won't be saved, it'll just be spent killing people in Afghanistan instead of Iraq.

Which Ron Paul voted we should invade. Woops. :laugh:

Of course he did, as he should have. But we aren't now doing what we said we would.

 

[First]

Originally posted by: bamacre

Originally posted by: Evan

Originally posted by: bamacre

Originally posted by: PC Surgeon

Originally posted by: dmcowen674

Originally posted by: Scarpozzi
Topic Title: What's going to happen when Obama pulls troops out of Iraq?

We save $10 billion a month that we can use to help our own country.

Logic goes against the neocon agenda. Don't make their heads explode!

Except it isn't logic. That money won't be saved, it'll just be spent killing people in Afghanistan instead of Iraq.

Which Ron Paul voted we should invade. Woops. :laugh:

Of course he did, as he should have. But we aren't now doing what we said we would.

I heard the same excuse verbatim from Dems about Iraq.

 

[Ozoned]

Originally posted by: Scarpozzi
.What's going to happen when Obama pulls troops out of Iraq?

The price of oil will go up, dramatically.

 

[TallBill]

Originally posted by: boomerang
I'm wondering where the returning soldiers are going to find a job.

Will be an issue for National Guardsmen/Reservists, but not active duty. Some have guaranteed jobs when they return like my brother-in-law did.

 

[bamacre]

Originally posted by: Evan

Originally posted by: bamacre

Originally posted by: Evan

Originally posted by: bamacre

Originally posted by: PC Surgeon

Originally posted by: dmcowen674

Originally posted by: Scarpozzi
Topic Title: What's going to happen when Obama pulls troops out of Iraq?

We save $10 billion a month that we can use to help our own country.

Logic goes against the neocon agenda. Don't make their heads explode!

Except it isn't logic. That money won't be saved, it'll just be spent killing people in Afghanistan instead of Iraq.

Which Ron Paul voted we should invade. Woops. :laugh:

Of course he did, as he should have. But we aren't now doing what we said we would.

I heard the same excuse verbatim from Dems about Iraq.

Irrelevant, and there's a big difference between Iraq and Afghanistan.

 

[spidey07]

If he does it wisely not much. So much progress has been made in the last year, amazing progress. October marked a milestone - no combat related deaths.

 

[piasabird]

We should follow thru with the current plan laid out by the Iraqi's and pull our troops out of the cities, like they want and see how things go. They want us to leave eventually anyway. That doesnt mean we pull them all out overnight. It is going to be tough going pulling them out as it is. It is a tough logistical nightmare. We may end up leaving some of our supplies there for the Iraqis. Some things are easier to leave behind.

It is really expensive moving people but even more expensive moving supplies.

 

[alien42]

Originally posted by: Corbett

Originally posted by: PC Surgeon

Originally posted by: Scarpozzi
Are we simply forgetting that they blew up the WTC? I think we should stay there and make sure they don't reorganize for another attack on the US.

Who blew up the WTC?

Muslim terrorists which are now in Iraq.

you are delusional.

 

[DisgruntledVirus]

Originally posted by: soccerballtux

Originally posted by: DisgruntledVirus

Originally posted by: hg321

Originally posted by: Scarpozzi

Originally posted by: Hayabusa Rider
Iraq will collapse no matter how long we stay. We are the stabilizing force there, taking over the role of Saddam. When we leave, the Iraqis will revert to whatever fate would have awaited them regardless. We'll do just as the Brits did, playing our "noble" card, then blaming the Iraqis when they don't toe our line when we leave. It's now all about saving face.

Well put...

very well put

Exceedingly very well put

When we leave Iraq will fall into "civil unrest", or have a military coup where a military leader takes over their country. I don't agree with going over there in the first place, but now that we are we *should* be there as long as needed.

On a side note I got in a huge debate with a friend in the military about this, and he said we needed to go over there. I asked why, and his response was "when an Iraqi woman runs up to a buddy of mine thanking him for removing Saddam, because he killed her whole family". Frankly I don't care. We went over there publicly because of WMD's, not for the ethical/moral/help the people stuff. We have yet to find WMD's, and while Saddam might have moved them out of the country we went for that reason but couldn't find ANY evidence/proof of it. When I mentioned that, he said "we found WMD's a few months ago" so obviously I asked for proof and what did we find. He says "we found a stash of explosives that were made to look like (some random item found in every house, but I forget what exactly he said. I kind of think he said they looked like lamps)." Iraq was/is the Vietnam of the first decade of the 21st century, and will be known as a war that we shouldn't have been involved in.

Who cares if we found them. They had them at some point; all we asked for was proof they got rid of them, which they would not provide. Running around telling the world you have WOMD does not help your cause, either. The WOMD category generally includes chemical and biological weapons. Saddam launched mustard gas as the Kurds regularly.

What means did he have to deliver ANY of that to US soil other than terrorists? Now that we went in there, where did all of his mustard gas go? Some of it almost certainly ended up in terrorists hands, but regardless they would have obtained it anyways. Terrorists would have obtained it if they really wanted. Frankly though I would rather that money have gone to help secure Russians nuclear weapons, to prevent nuclear material from falling into terrorists hands.

A dirty bomb would cause a lot more death than a mustard gas attack. Granted it would take a little longer for a dirty bomb to kill as many, but it would be more painful and take longer to kill. Saddam had the ability to hurt his own citizens, and neighboring countries (as seen with Kuwait). We didn't get UN approval, we didn't get a request for help from their population, we didn't have any reason to go there to protect our country. We went over there for the wrong reasons.

Yes chemical, biological, and nuclear material is all generally considered WMD, but the simple fact is most countries have some kind of WMD in their control. Chemical and biological agents are fairly easy to produce, and him having them really isn't a big deal. The reason is he still couldn't get them here other than terrorist means. That in and of itself isn't enough reason for me to send thousands of our troops there, and having a few thousand deaths. If you want to talk about possible lives saved, we have passed the total amount of deaths from 9/11 in soldiers that were killed. Realistically any attack that Iraq had helped with (money, equipment, safe haven, training, etc), wouldn't have amounted to the number of soldiers that we have lost so far.

The simple fact is we went there for the wrong reasons, and shouldn't have gone. Ask yourself this question, after going in getting rid of Saddam and helping them establish their own government are we any safer now? I would say it didn't increase our nations safety enough to justify the expense (in financial costs, men lost, or equipment losses).

 

[jpeyton]

Originally posted by: Ozoned

Originally posted by: Scarpozzi
.What's going to happen when Obama pulls troops out of Iraq?

The price of oil will go up, dramatically.

Because it was going down since we invaded in 2003? :laugh:

Just because we've had cheap gas for a month, you immediately forget the last two years of $3-$4+ gas we've been paying.

 

[DisgruntledVirus]

Originally posted by: jpeyton

Originally posted by: Ozoned

Originally posted by: Scarpozzi
.What's going to happen when Obama pulls troops out of Iraq?

The price of oil will go up, dramatically.

Because it was going down since we invaded in 2003? :laugh:

Just because we've had cheap gas for a month, you immediately forget the last two years of $3-$4+ gas we've been paying.

He most likely bought a truck recently as well :laugh:

 

[Jiggz]

Originally posted by: boomerang
I'm wondering where the returning soldiers are going to find a job.

With the "distribution of wealth" by the upcoming administration, they shouldn't have anything to worry! All they need to do is sit down, grab a beer, smoke a joint and wait for the postman!

 

[OCGuy]

Remember kids: Pulling out early is never a bad idea.

 

[First]

Originally posted by: bamacre

Originally posted by: Evan

Originally posted by: bamacre

Originally posted by: Evan

Originally posted by: bamacre

Originally posted by: PC Surgeon

Originally posted by: dmcowen674

Originally posted by: Scarpozzi
Topic Title: What's going to happen when Obama pulls troops out of Iraq?

We save $10 billion a month that we can use to help our own country.

Logic goes against the neocon agenda. Don't make their heads explode!

Except it isn't logic. That money won't be saved, it'll just be spent killing people in Afghanistan instead of Iraq.

Which Ron Paul voted we should invade. Woops. :laugh:

Of course he did, as he should have. But we aren't now doing what we said we would.

I heard the same excuse verbatim from Dems about Iraq.

Irrelevant, and there's a big difference between Iraq and Afghanistan.

100% relevant, they're exactly the same thing. Dems thought Iraq would be fought a certain way, it wasn't, and now they're against it. Zero difference between that and Paul's excuses with Afghanistan.

 

[bamacre]

Originally posted by: Evan
100% relevant, they're exactly the same thing. Dems thought Iraq would be fought a certain way, it wasn't, and now they're against it. Zero difference between that and Paul's excuses with Afghanistan.

Yeah, except for the fact that Iraq nor anyone in Iraq attacked us. You know, that whole thing.

Are you trying to imply Paul was wrong for voting for the invasion of Afghanistan, or wrong for not voting for the invasion of Iraq?

 

[palehorse]

Topic: What's going to happen when Obama pulls troops out of Iraq?

We won't know the answer to this question until sometime during his second term in office...

bet?

Also, I really hope the OP was being sarcastic with the WTC reference...

 

[First]

Originally posted by: bamacre

Originally posted by: Evan
100% relevant, they're exactly the same thing. Dems thought Iraq would be fought a certain way, it wasn't, and now they're against it. Zero difference between that and Paul's excuses with Afghanistan.

Yeah, except for the fact that Iraq nor anyone in Iraq attacked us. You know, that whole thing.

WTF? Dems nor Repubs claimed Iraq attacked us.

Are you trying to imply Paul was wrong for voting for the invasion of Afghanistan, or wrong for not voting for the invasion of Iraq?

No, I'm not. I support the war in Afghanistan. I'm saying your excuse making is hypocritical considering Paul's stance.

 

[cyclohexane]

the op has gotta be the stupidest person ever to visit P/N.