So you are advocating the elimination of Islam?
That is the only way you could truely remove the threat of this brand of terror. When the very basis of a religion teaches you to kill those that are not like you - there will be issues.
No, that is what BBond advocates...
Personally, I believe Islam is the issue, and there need to be some serious changes looked at. The Catholic church could change (and does), why can't Islam. I suspect that it won't because the very tenant of Islam is to kill infidels - which means everyone else. Kind of hard to change such a core part of the religion - one that has been practiced around the world for centuries, and still is today.
Please respond with something useful.
Or explain where and when I started to troll.
Oh, I know, you have not bothered to read any of the posts...
Personally, I believe Islam is the issue, and there need to be some serious changes looked at. The Catholic church could change (and does), why can't Islam. I suspect that it won't because the very tenant of Islam is to kill infidels - which means everyone else. Kind of hard to change such a core part of the religion - one that has been practiced around the world for centuries, and still is today.
Please respond with something useful.
Or explain where and when I started to troll.
Oh, I know, you have not bothered to read any of the posts...
No, this did not start three decades ago. They don't view the war the same way as you do I'm sure. You see it as them attacking our political and moral way of life. I'm pretty sure they see it as a desperate defense of their own beliefs. Please show me one instance where I have said this was an Iraq issue. The war in Iraq is just an extension of policy in the M.E that goes back centuries.
A brief look at Irans recent history gives us an insight into why these arsewipes might want to fvck with our system. British interests control the oil in Iran...Iran says get TF out it's our oil....U.S installs Shah gaining defacto control over Iranian oil.....Religious revolution overthrows Shah, reclaims independence from western control......U.S backs Saddam Hussein in war against Iran.......etc etc. That is one country, each one has a story. I mean, what is Kuwait? It's a country made up purely to benefit western interests, and the interests of a handful of Sheiks.
The war on terror is just smoke and mirrors. How is the dept. of Homeland security looking these days? Getting the funding it needs is it? Didn't think so.
The occupation is fueling the insurgency. Pull the pseudo-coalition forces out and replace them with legitimate peace-keeping forces. As for what Colin Powell referred to as, "The Pottery Barn Rule," all off this to be paid on the U.S./UK dime. Let the Iraqis rebuild Iraq. Put them to work rebuilding Iraq. The "insurgency" will crumble.
And it's far better than continuing to fork over BILLIONS OF DOLLARS to Halliburton/KBR/Cheney Incorporated.
Last Update: Thursday, July 7, 2005. 6:00am (AEST)
Halliburton gets $6.7b Iraq contract
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Thank you for sharing this information with us at what is surely a difficult time. I'm sure that all of our best wishes and prayers are with you and your family and friends in London.
That is in no way the basis of Islam. That exemplifies the hatred born of ignorance that is one of the roots of terrorism.
The roots of terrorism is NOT Islam you stupid ass. I didn't realize that the I.Friggin'R.A. was islamic. Was Timothy McVeigh and Co. islamic?
Don't get me wrong BBond i would love to see a more balanced deployment in Iraq, and this is exactly what I would have liked to have seen back in Gulf War I so that it didn't seem like it was just the US / UK reoccupying our old colony.
When i say the troops shouldn't be pulled out, I mean they shouldn't be pulled out until their is a commitment to replace the current deployments with other troops / security forces to kep things from degenerating into a worse situation than we allready seen. I agree that it certainly doesn't help having what is essentially seen by many as an occupational force sitting on their soil.
Sorry if I'm fairly incoherant in my posts today it's 6am here and I've not had any sleep.
When i say the troops shouldn't be pulled out, I mean they shouldn't be pulled out until their is a commitment to replace the current deployments with other troops / security forces to kep things from degenerating into a worse situation than we allready seen. I agree that it certainly doesn't help having what is essentially seen by many as an occupational force sitting on their soil.
Sorry if I'm fairly incoherant in my posts today it's 6am here and I've not had any sleep.
Now listen. If you go to the southern states, you find loads of gun-totiing rednecks barrelled together at a bar. And you start yelling at them to go home and beat their wife and fusck their kids. It's kinda your own fault isn't it?
Now when George Bush comes out to say, that he's gonna conduct a crusade!.... You need me to go on?
They're not inhumane assholes, you're inhumane assholes, they're trying to free their country, and ídiots like blair come out sayng "these people are out to kill people" which is utter bull. Because they want to free their people, by getting the oppressors out of iraq.
And if they wanted maximum amounts of deaths, for example at 9/11, why didn't they attack at noon or later, where 50.000 people were in the towers daily.
Shin, thank you for your input as it was well thought out. And I would agree with your assessment of staying there until the task is complete, but there's one problem (and I'm yelling not at you, just yelling this):
Bush and Company don't have a plan!!! They NEVER had a plan!! They NEVER want to leave!!!
Wait, are you serious?
You think the problem is with islam? Not the fact that it's the underdog and has been treated like bull for so many years by the west?
I agree we can't just pull out now. The resulting vacuum would be filled by civil war. I was only presenting my withdrawal scenario. I fully understand your condition. I live minutes away from friends and family in NYC.
I am probably one of the few here that has actually bothered to read the Qu'ran - and yes, IT CLEARLY ADVOCATES (HUNDREDS OF TIMES) THE KILLING OF INFIDELS, CHRISTIANS, JEWS, SINNERS, OR ANYONE THAT IS NOT LIKE YOU.
Oh, but it is also contradictory when it tells Muslims to help those listed above.
Not a very well written book and really nothing more than an edited theft of every other holy book. Not at all original. This is the problem with interpretation. It is so poorly written, and so serpentine in logic, that everyone interprets it differently. This is where the real problem arises.
Perhaps they should just re-write the book for a modern Muslim. Take out the contradictions, logic errors, and advocacy of murder and it would be good.
The modern war did.
Yes, the roots go all of the way back to the Imperial occupation of the Middle East. They also go back to FDRs (that hero) poor treatment of the King of Saudi Arabia. But, mainly the burden of the Middle East and Africa lie on the backs of the Europeans who cut and ran decades ago - leaving power vaccum, poverty, and hatred behind.
I explain above. Sure there are multiple causes here, Islam is indeed one of them. It is not a friendly religions by any means, nor does it really advocate joining the modern world. As long as there are traditionalists, there will be problems, Granted, getting aid and money to the poor of the region would help - but we cannot do that under the current system. To reach this goal requires the removal of the current leadership class.
Who here wants to bet that if this was an election year, the NATIONAL threat level would have been upgraded? I know they raised the level of security in Chicago, NY, and DC (and other cities), but had this been an election year we would have been put on RED.
Wow! So glad to hear of the fortunate turn of events for you and that your family and friends are ok.
I really don't want to digress in this thread but, imo, our continued presence in Iraq is just exacerbated hostilities.
Yes, and it is no where near as violent as the Qu'ran.
Actually, if you remove the violence and pure hatred from the Qu'ran, you pretty much just have a re-written Bible.
It also states several places that no women, children or buildings should be harmed. And that those attacks are only legal if the muslims are threatened.
It's speak contrary to what it says in other places, almost as much as the bible does.
In shirt: You're a goddamned idiot if you think this would not be the case if the christians were living in the middle east.
The death toll i just heard is 2 dead, 160 wounded.
I expect it to get higher.
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