Yes please, proof, and besides isn't that how you get all your CD's you go to the library and get them first? And what's the difference between listening to a radio broadcast and a Kazaa broadcast except when you choose to listen. Isn't it like freezing lightwaves to listen to later, or in a different place. Isn't it like having time delayed acute hearing where you can listen to a the concert later.
1984 - Orwell
Bitch Please - Eminem
Don't take that the wrong way. I'm not looking to start a list of good and bad forms of media. Just playing the devil's advocate. :beer:
Kazaa's "purpose" isn't to break copyright laws. I don't think the RIAA is arguing that. It's "purpose" is to share files, regardless of what they are. Kazaa is, however, greatly assisting the "breakage" of those laws, and basically makes it easy for any dipshit to get illegal music.
Personally, I think both Kazaa and the RIAA are ridiculous. Not that my opinion matters anyway.
cars also greatly assist in the breakage of laws.... i mean think about hard it would be to transport dead bodies, do drivebys on bicycles, or drive the getaway bicycle in a bank heist... you can argue that cars provide a greater positive good, but this is wholly a subjective decision, which laws should not be based on.
and i don't think there's even proof that 1984 provide more societal benefit than b!tch please.
Are you being serious or just looking for an argument? That's possibly the worst comparison ever.
Comparing Kazaa to the radio or a library is also quite a stretch.
Most bands pay radio stations to play their music as a form of advertisement to sell records. Kazaa could be used the same way, much like, say, a car can be used to transport me from one place to another. However, for the majority of people who use Kazaa, or so the RIAA argues, once the song or album is downloaded, the need to buy the album is gone, especially with the rise of CD burners. The majority of car owners do not use them to do transport dead bodies.
Instead of promoting sales of records or transfers of legit music, Kazaa promotes piracy and copyright infringement. Not the program itself, of course, but the people who use it. Cars do not promote robbing banks. They promote transporting me from one place to another.
This is why the RIAA is now attacking the users who are sharing massive amounts of music, not Kazaa directly.
Koing
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libraries you do not break the law unless you steal the book or do not returnit later. The library requires an ID card and has your information on file. The library pays royalties to copyright owner on x amount of books, cd's, dvd's loaned I would guess. They pay the copyright owner £££.
kazaa is mostly used so that people do not have to purchase music, movies, pdf books. They do not pay the copyright owner royalties.
The difference isn't much. Just that one is used legally the other is mainly used for illegal things. Who said the things were legal or illegal? That law is set by us. If we said killing was legal then that is that then. Killing would be legal and you would not go to jail for it..........
kazaa is mostly used so that people do not have to purchase music, movies, pdf books. They do not pay the copyright owner royalties.
The difference isn't much. Just that one is used legally the other is mainly used for illegal things. Who said the things were legal or illegal? That law is set by us. If we said killing was legal then that is that then. Killing would be legal and you would not go to jail for it..........
Originally posted by: gopunk
Well, one copy of one library book can only be checked out by one person at a time and that book has to be returned, w/in a given time period, before another person can check it out. It works a bit different w/P2P.One copy of a CD could, hypothetically<sp?>, spawn enough copies so that everyone w/internet access could have their own copy. One copy, one user is a bit different than one copy, unlimited users.
Lethal
Zanix
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So I pay taxes, and taxes fund libraries. So if I goto the library and check out a book, haven't I already paid for it? The only people I can think of that don't pay taxes are those without jobs, etc.. and those getting paid "illigally", both of which I don't think are doing a whole lot of reading/listening (using libraries). I could be very wrong though.
Please correct me if I grossly misunderstood something in that post.
The RIAA is going after people who offer or broadcast songs over the net. The end user actually copies the song.
Now, a radio station pays ASCAP 1.5 or 2 cents to play or broadcast a song. An end user can record it if he chooses. Then play it over and over again.
So when the RIAA takes people to court they should be entitled to the 2 cents per song that the radio station pays NOT the $150 to $10,000 a song that the RIAA is using to scare people. They better be careful as to whom they put on the jury.
Now, a radio station pays ASCAP 1.5 or 2 cents to play or broadcast a song. An end user can record it if he chooses. Then play it over and over again.
So when the RIAA takes people to court they should be entitled to the 2 cents per song that the radio station pays NOT the $150 to $10,000 a song that the RIAA is using to scare people. They better be careful as to whom they put on the jury.
LunarRay
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A library is a place for intellectual pursuit. It contains books and other media for that purpose. The copyright law does not prohibit the 'borrowing' of books as the library patron 'borrows' it. It, however, does prohibit the copying of the material. If you wish to 'borrow' a music cd that is fine. There exist a finite number of music cd's available for 'borrowing' at the local library. The copying of material via the Kazaa system is a violation of the copyright law. The analogy is going to the library and making an exact copy for your home library. This is clearly illegal and folks by and large agree. If you wish to posses the fruit of the artist's effort then go to the library and 'borrow' it or 'borrow' your friend's cd.
To make an mp3 copy or downloading an mp3 copy of the cd is not making or receiving an exact copy of the cd... so there in is the best argument against copyright infringement. At what point is the bit rate not a copy of the original... for argument purposes... but, still a sorta copy that may be enjoyed in spite the sound quality degradation.
To make an mp3 copy or downloading an mp3 copy of the cd is not making or receiving an exact copy of the cd... so there in is the best argument against copyright infringement. At what point is the bit rate not a copy of the original... for argument purposes... but, still a sorta copy that may be enjoyed in spite the sound quality degradation.
It's a good thing God doesn't have a copyright...or we wouldn't be able to grow food to eat or make copies of ourselves.
Copyrights are just man made rights to funnel money to those who manipulate them.
Copyrights are just man made rights to funnel money to those who manipulate them.
0roo0roo
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yup, you can't keep the book from the libary, you can't make a perfect copy either. and long ago we decided that librarys were necessary to make sure that all had access to education and intellectual enrichment regardless of income. now stealing music for entertainment is an entirely different matter.
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