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Zebo

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Hey Mark :thumbsup: You got that right boy scouts will be generals should things get bad- we have a pond in the back yard with crappie bass and catfish I stocked it, I aerate it, I am ready to fish it with my old time crank telephone and wrench leads. Also there is about 200 geese and ducks I will have no problem shooting w/ a 22LR (it's illegal now) if need be.

Oh and due to overwhelming PM demand here's Zebo's survival guide on a budget

IMO it's 50/50... we are headed for another Great Depression with hyper inflation this time and massive civil unrest due to lack of morals and mores today compared to 1930s, therefore, may I present- Zebo's survival keys on a budget which may save your life.

Attitude Free - like anything in life it all starts there - positive attitude is important to success, and all survival manuals stress it makes the difference between living or dying! Never quit. Never give up. Always look at things half full!

Health Free- If we truly get into a SHTF scenario medicines will not be around so you taking insulin or heart medicine you're in big trouble unless you've stocked up. Excersise, have a resting HR less than 60 preferably. The exercise part is good for you no matter what, SHTF or Not. Live longer feel better, sleep better, have more energy etc - and will be crucial in survival situation where foraging for food, planting food or running from predators two legged and four will pay big dividends.

A good water proof Sleeping bag $100 - When grid shuts down, you have no idea how cold world gets - In a true survival situation, most people die because of hypothermia, not because of lack of water or food. You don't want to build fires for warmth, alerts zombies to your presence, and is a waste of energy that could be used for food acquisition, building, working instead of chopping.

A Rugar 10/22 and 2000 rounds ammo $300 - Can kill small game for protein and Keep Zombies at bay one per family is fine. Don't be going hog wild on firearms - they will be everywhere anyway if things get to bad. Too much weight and all survival books say 22lr is all you need.

A good knife, good first aid kit and learn manual, lights and radio $200 -
I prefer those wind up & inertia radios and LED flashlights - batteries are too heavy and go bad quick especially if you don't keep them dry or leave them on ground or get them hot. Good Swiss Army with locking blade. I also have a KaBar to do heavy shit like open cans, break locks and otherwise penetrate where Swiss can't. First aid kit should be very inclusive including sutures, tourniquets, Morphine if you can get it, a broad spectrum antibiotic like Keflex etc and learn first aid back and forth. Sucks to have a gaping hole in side of someone and not know what to do.

One month supply of food $150-$250 per person - It's better not to have to worry about food right away when SHTF
*Beans and rice are cheap and keep almost forever if stored right. Can eat for $40 a month on beans and rice!
*Canned foods will be good if static (staying in one place), last about three years depending what it is. Only issue is weight/calories ratio should you have to move.
* Peanut butter is the best all round survival food. Keeps 2 years. Don't have to prepare it and it's loaded with protein, carbs and fats. Very high weight/calories ratio

Peers FREE - Groups of people provide security and emotional support in many ways - You are going to have to be with honest and trustworthy people who help each other out in order to survive. No Robinson Crusoe - you won't make it.
 

BigDH01

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Jul 8, 2005
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Originally posted by: LegendKiller
Originally posted by: alien42
Originally posted by: JS80
Originally posted by: BigDH01
Originally posted by: TheSlamma
Originally posted by: Genx87
My investment in an assault rifle may be the best return I see if all of this comes true.
Cause everyone is all of a sudden going to contract rabies and it's going to be an animalfest in the streets? :confused:

Sounds like a republican wet dream.

Actually, I'm very concerned about human nature in times of economic hardship. I think if you lift the veil even slightly, you'll find that the shine of our civilized veneer doesn't run very deep. See the New York City blackout of 1977. Tough economic times combined with something as simple as a power outage resulted in chaos.

blackout of 2003

that was the first thing i thought of however there is a big difference between 2003 and now. there was still a strong sense of post 9/11 patriotism and togetherness that GWB had not yet destroyed and the economy was not turned upside down like it is currently.

The 2003 economy wasn't all that great. NYC was still gathering steam for the debt runup after taking it in the nuts from the tech bust.

I was there, in 2003, interviewing at an i-bank as a debt analyst. It was my first time in NYC and I was in an elevator between the 83rd and 84th floor of the Empire State Building. After getting out of there I partied. People were great.

NYC of the 1970s was a cesspool of human filth, far different from what it is now.

Some cities might get bad, but not too horrible, especially considering the size and kit of the NYPD.

However, this whole thing is garbage. Denninger is a loon.

I would hazard that the economic hardships in 77 were fundamentally different than 03. In 03, the tech sector was hit hard and a lot of equity was lost, but for those people not touching that sector everyday life was mostly quite normal. If you had jobs, goods were still affordable and you were still living comfortably. In 77, in the heart of stagflation, you could have a job but still see the price of goods quickly outpace your salary. Perhaps the looting was a result of increasing price pressures on everyone.
 

LegendKiller

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Mar 5, 2001
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Bump for a near-end-of-year update. As usual Denninger is a fucking moron, as are anybody who believed him. Sorry suckas! Hope you stayed out of the stock market and/or enjoyed shorting it.

waffles!
 

DaveSimmons

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Aug 12, 2001
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Heh, I've stuck to buying and holding my boring stock index mutual funds and have still done quite nicely this year.
 

LegendKiller

Lifer
Mar 5, 2001
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Originally posted by: GeezerMan
Everything is Peachy

It isn't peachy, but it isn't riots for food/water or other bullshit you swallowed hook, line, and sinker.

What's sad is that you desperately want things to be worse, it allows you to wallow in your own misery.
 

miketheidiot

Lifer
Sep 3, 2004
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Originally posted by: LegendKiller
Bump for a near-end-of-year update. As usual Denninger is a fucking moron, as are anybody who believed him. Sorry suckas! Hope you stayed out of the stock market and/or enjoyed shorting it.

waffles!

great bump hi5
 

GeezerMan

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Jan 28, 2005
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Originally posted by: LegendKiller
Originally posted by: GeezerMan
Everything is Peachy

It isn't peachy, but it isn't riots for food/water or other bullshit you swallowed hook, line, and sinker.

What's sad is that you desperately want things to be worse, it allows you to wallow in your own misery.

Hey it's "Boon for the World" LK! You know how much personal insults turn me on sailor. Smoochie..
See ya in the Goldman Sachs cafeteria......
 

miketheidiot

Lifer
Sep 3, 2004
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Originally posted by: GeezerMan
Originally posted by: LegendKiller
Originally posted by: GeezerMan
Everything is Peachy

It isn't peachy, but it isn't riots for food/water or other bullshit you swallowed hook, line, and sinker.

What's sad is that you desperately want things to be worse, it allows you to wallow in your own misery.

Hey it's "Boon for the World" LK! You know how much personal insults turn me on sailor. Smoochie..
See ya in the Goldman Sachs cafeteria......

i would say that time has proven LK and others completely correct.
 

blackangst1

Lifer
Feb 23, 2005
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Originally posted by: EXman
Originally posted by: Pocatello
Ah yes, the sky is falling.

Have you noticed the jobloss/dow tanking/trillionsgiventoshittycompaniesthatburnthroughit/consumer confidense numbers?

The S is hitting the fan right now dood.

nvm :)
 

LegendKiller

Lifer
Mar 5, 2001
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Originally posted by: GeezerMan
Originally posted by: LegendKiller
Originally posted by: GeezerMan
Everything is Peachy

It isn't peachy, but it isn't riots for food/water or other bullshit you swallowed hook, line, and sinker.

What's sad is that you desperately want things to be worse, it allows you to wallow in your own misery.

Hey it's "Boon for the World" LK! You know how much personal insults turn me on sailor. Smoochie..
See ya in the Goldman Sachs cafeteria......

Hey sparkplug, the world economy didn't collapse, which is what TARP was meant to do. Guess you missed that one too.

I know it sucks to admit that you were wrong and I don't expect you to have a pair big enough to allow you to do so, but everybody knows I was right, except for the people, like you, who wish that the economy would have collapsed. It would satiate your desire to see the world be a miserable as you are.
 

GeezerMan

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Jan 28, 2005
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Originally posted by: LegendKiller
Originally posted by: GeezerMan
Originally posted by: LegendKiller
Originally posted by: GeezerMan
Everything is Peachy

It isn't peachy, but it isn't riots for food/water or other bullshit you swallowed hook, line, and sinker.

What's sad is that you desperately want things to be worse, it allows you to wallow in your own misery.

Hey it's "Boon for the World" LK! You know how much personal insults turn me on sailor. Smoochie..
See ya in the Goldman Sachs cafeteria......

Hey sparkplug, the world economy didn't collapse, which is what TARP was meant to do. Guess you missed that one too.

I know it sucks to admit that you were wrong and I don't expect you to have a pair big enough to allow you to do so, but everybody knows I was right, except for the people, like you, who wish that the economy would have collapsed. It would satiate your desire to see the world be a miserable as you are.

Miserable? Ha. I'm retired and living large. Debt free and loving life. You have enough ego for 10 people. Bill Moyers had an excellent interview that included Simon Johnson on the Virtual Coup D'Etat by Wall Street last week.
You and your banker cronies are something else.

 

StageLeft

No Lifer
Sep 29, 2000
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Unfortunately this post by Denninger was one of his nuttier ones. Some of his articles make a lot of sense, but it's become clear that although his understanding of certain issues is good his understanding of others is bad. Worst, though, is that he is a chronic glass half-empty conspiracy theorist. I still read his ticker blog but increasingly for entertainment value. He becomes hysterical preaching doom endlessly, but I always enjoy that genre, hence the reading.

The main issue for him is that he believes everything is going to go to sh*t first and then he looks at the data. If you are told or believe it's going to sh*t, then the data can very much support that. What he should be doing is trying to not come up with a conclusion, then look at the data, and see what makes the most sense, but he's incapable of it.

This apocolypse one is still the best I've read from him all year although it is a bit of a fight between it and this one: http://market-ticker.denninger.net/archives/1349-Depression-Assured-Maybe-Swine-Flu.html