What's behind the rhetoric in the shutdown?

[Moonbeam]

Sorta like your profanity laced tirades?


I also thought Angry Young Democrats/Progressive as being peculiarly bitter and sour, with most of them being liberal and utterly illogical

Conservatives can't face facts that pain their egos to a greater degree than liberals. This is a scientific fact that has been observed and verified by scientific investigation. What they do instead is rationalize, another established fact. I was able, in my search for a cure for your illness, that profanity laced tirades can't penetrate either. There is no hope for you so long as you see love as weakness. You can, however, take much comfort in your blithering imbecility. It will protect you from all the emotional pain you deny and do not know you do. You will never notice that the load you try to put on me will not take because I already know what it is to suffered consciously. I really wish you didn't have to but .... well, you know.

If you want to have some fun, try to find some scientific data that supports your claims. The truth is out there, no?

 

[Moonbeam]

The left still doesn't get it. We aren't terrified that the ACA is going to work, we are terrified of the damage it could inflict on the economy after its implementation. There are a lot of people still struggleing with this economy so how in the hell is slapping them with a mandatory purchase in the hundreds of dollars or more every month going to help them? Oh don't worry, you will get a tax credit 16 months later.

You ask a question pretending as if you were capable of, and open to the understanding an answer instead of asking a pretend question based on your prior programming you already invented an answer too. It's not nice to pick your toes with your fingers and then ask others to smell them.

 

[fskimospy]

The left still doesn't get it. We aren't terrified that the ACA is going to work, we are terrified of the damage it could inflict on the economy after its implementation. There are a lot of people still struggleing with this economy so how in the hell is slapping them with a mandatory purchase in the hundreds of dollars or more every month going to help them? Oh don't worry, you will get a tax credit 16 months later.

So you're terribly afraid the ACA will tank the economy. What's your solution?

Tank the economy in order to stop it.

Makes perfect sense to me!

Do you guys even read the stupid shit you write?

 

[Matt1970]

You ask a question pretending as if you were capable of, and open to the understanding an answer instead of asking a pretend question based on your prior programming you already invented an answer too. It's not nice to pick your toes with your fingers and then ask others to smell them.

I didn't expect you to be able to answer it.

 

[Matt1970]

So you're terribly afraid the ACA will tank the economy. What's your solution?

Tank the economy in order to stop it.

Makes perfect sense to me!

Do you guys even read the stupid shit you write?

The whole reasoning behind Obamacare is what’s stupid. We are going to keep you from having to file bankruptcy after a hospital visit because we are going to bankrupt you before you even have a hospital visit. Is that what makes sense to you?

 

[Londo_Jowo]

Conservatives can't face facts that pain their egos to a greater degree than liberals. This is a scientific fact that has been observed and verified by scientific investigation. What they do instead is rationalize, another established fact. I was able, in my search for a cure for your illness, that profanity laced tirades can't penetrate either. There is no hope for you so long as you see love as weakness. You can, however, take much comfort in your blithering imbecility. It will protect you from all the emotional pain you deny and do not know you do. You will never notice that the load you try to put on me will not take because I already know what it is to suffered consciously. I really wish you didn't have to but .... well, you know.

If you want to have some fun, try to find some scientific data that supports your claims. The truth is out there, no?

Nice try, you've had quite a few profanity laced tirades in the forum. One day you will get in touch with reality and stop posting such off the wall gobbletygoop.

 

[fskimospy]

The whole reasoning behind Obamacare is what’s stupid. We are going to keep you from having to file bankruptcy after a hospital visit because we are going to bankrupt you before you even have a hospital visit. Is that what makes sense to you?

Two things:

Nice job at not even answering the criticism of your argument. Probably because you can't. Then again you never really try to argue rationally, you just like to rant about how mean liberals are.

 

[Matt1970]

Two things:

Nice job at not even answering the criticism of your argument. Probably because you can't. Then again you never really try to argue rationally, you just like to rant about how mean liberals are.

That's who things? No wonder Obamacare makes sense to you.

 

[Matt1970]

Nice try, you've had quite a few profanity laced tirades in the forum. One day you will get in touch with reality and stop posting such off the wall gobbletygoop.

Moonbeam just rewords the same posts every time.

1. You have a brain defect.
2. You secretly hate yourself.
3. I love you for it.
4. You're an idiot.

 

[Zor Prime]

Moonbeam just rewords the same posts every time.

1. You have a brain defect.
2. You secretly hate yourself.
3. I love you for it.
4. You're an idiot.

That's hilarious. It's funny because it's true.

 

[Matt1970]

Strangely enough it's usually in that order to.

 

[Londo_Jowo]

Moonbeam just rewords the same posts every time.

1. You have a brain defect.
2. You secretly hate yourself.
3. I love you for it.
4. You're an idiot.

The fact of the matter Moonbeam is so full of hate and anger for those (conservatives/Republicans) he perceives as being the cause of his less than perfect life rather than accepting responsibility for his own life. He's also a wannabe psychologist and thinks he can talk people into believing they're the fault of his ills/imperfect life. Too bad he doesn't realize that it only works on weak minded people such as himself.

 

[Juddog]

The whole reasoning behind Obamacare is what’s stupid. We are going to keep you from having to file bankruptcy after a hospital visit because we are going to bankrupt you before you even have a hospital visit. Is that what makes sense to you?

If the bill is so fucking bad how about you vote to fix it instead of holding the entire country hostage? It's not perfect but it was a step in the right direction.

The Republican myopia in this instance has reached epic level.

 

[IronWing]

If the bill is so fucking bad how about you vote to fix it instead of holding the entire country hostage? It's not perfect but it was a step in the right direction.

The Republican myopia in this instance has reached epic level.

The Republicans did help write Obamacare; what was it, 100+ Republican amendments accepted? Their input was one reason the law sucks so bad.

What the Dems hopefully have learned from this is that next time they have the opportunity to fix the healthcare mess they need to do exactly what the Reps accuse them of and ignore the hell out the Reps and pass a single payer system. Passing the piece of appeasement known as Obamacare got them nothing.

 

[Jhhnn]

The bottom line behind the tea party's stand is that the government should be expected to tighten it's belt at least to the level of "its" citizens. Why does the spending increase while wealth decreases?

Not to mention individual liberty. Conservatives are the guardians of freedom.

So, govt spending shouldn't be anti-cyclical, but rather pro-cyclical. The worse it gets for the non-rich, the more that the govt of the people should reinforce that. Beat 'em right into the dirt to serve the interests of Wealth.

Conservatives are the guardians of Privilege, not freedom. Get it right.

 

[Moonbeam]

Nice try, you've had quite a few profanity laced tirades in the forum. One day you will get in touch with reality and stop posting such off the wall gobbletygoop.

Nice try how, by pointing out that you are completely defended by rationalizations just as the brain studies of conservatives predict? I didn't try to do anything but point out the fact that no trying of any kind can reach you. You are totally safe from self confrontation. All the rewards of living your life in a brain dead stupor are yours.

You don't really want to argue with me. It will disturb your sleep. You are a very important person and I'm not worth your time.

 

[Moonbeam]

That's hilarious. It's funny because it's true.

Hehe, thank you. What is obvious to some is completely invisible to others.

 

[ralfy]

Problems began right after WW2, when the dollar became the reserve currency, thus guaranteeing increased borrowing and spending:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Triffin_dilemma

As U.S. war costs went up due to Vietnam, etc., the country moved away from the gold standard. With U.S. oil production peaking in 1970, it then used the military to prop up the petrodollar.

This together with voodoo economics led to three decades of increased borrowing and spending across the board:

http://blogs.reuters.com/rolfe-winkler/2009/09/30/krugman-and-the-pied-pipers-of-debt/

This included households spending happily, with personal debt at one point exceeding disposable income, the government financing high military costs to control resources and gain strategic advantages abroad, and the financial elite, which wanted more money through financial speculation, leading to the 2008 crash. The government bailed them out as the former essentially works for the latter:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Federal_Reserve_System

with the bailout costs passed on to the public. Billions of dollars were created each month:

http://www.marketwatch.com/story/fed-keeps-85-billion-asset-purchase-plan-in-place-2013-09-18

to keep consumer spending and casino capitalism afloat.

But with increasing debt, the country got fewer cents for each dollar borrowed, which explains not just continued economic crisis but the shutdown.

 

[boomerang]

If the bill is so fucking bad how about you vote to fix it instead of holding the entire country hostage?

We'd love to fix it, but Obama and a Democrat controlled Senate make that impossible. Call off your dogs and the Tea Party will get it done.

 

[Jhhnn]

We'd love to fix it, but Obama and a Democrat controlled Senate make that impossible. Call off your dogs and the Tea Party will get it done.

And Tea Party proposals to do that are what, exactly?

It's a serious question. Lay it out.

"Instead of that, we want to do this" for every flaw you can identify.

Please.

 

[hans030390]

Not to mention individual liberty. Conservatives are the guardians of freedom.

Except when it concerns the vagina. Or education (even sex education for that matter), especially when science is involved. Or religion...gotta infuse that into our policies, so you don't REALLY have religious freedom...kinda goes back to the vagina thing. Or drugs...generally most things we can do to our bodies that they don't like. Or other countries for that matter...they tend to like to get involved in matters BECUZ 'MURICA AND FREEDOM.

Conservatives only advocate freedom when it benefits wealthy, white, Christian men, especially if they are running a business.

I really hope you were joking when you said that.

The left still doesn't get it. We aren't terrified that the ACA is going to work, we are terrified of the damage it could inflict on the economy after its implementation. There are a lot of people still struggleing with this economy so how in the hell is slapping them with a mandatory purchase in the hundreds of dollars or more every month going to help them? Oh don't worry, you will get a tax credit 16 months later.

You are terrified because you were told to be terrified about the thought that the ACA could ruin the country. You are going off of a "what if" situation that's based on fear and sold in the same package (very little in logic) and have elected representatives that instead of trying to work with it chose to fight its entirety and shut down the government when they don't get their way having been told many, many times in the past 3 years.

Not to mention that the fine for not getting coverage is $95 in 2014, $325 in 2015, and $695 in 2016+ (this is for an adult individual...the first year is up to $285 for a family). This is not some financial brick wall that is going to hit the uninsured in 2014, and it gives people a year or two to see how things will turn out (though, in theory, things will be better the more people that get covered).

You also forgot to mention government subsidies. I believe you can qualify if you're up to 400% of the poverty level (about 45K a year, I think, for a single adult like myself). Those will help. I do not qualify, but I checked the exchange for CO. I could still easily afford health insurance even if my employer dropped my coverage. Costs were quite reasonable, I thought.

Also, you can get advanced funding immediately for those tax credits. If the advanced funds don't cover all your tax credit, you'll get the remainder in the actual tax credit. I did read it is possible to get more funds, in which case you have to pay back the remainder when you would have received the tax credit otherwise.

But, I mean, if you want to simplify things down and eat up the fear conservatives are selling you, that's your choice.

(note: nowhere did I say ACA would cost less, the same, or more...It will probably cost more, but I'm not thinking it will quite ruin America like many are sold on)

 

[sportage]

Im tired of republicans harping on wanting to negotiate.
Negotiate. Negotiate. Negotiate.
They have no desire to negotiate. We all know that.
They want everything their way and only their way.
That is their nature.

It is true democrats had offered to negotiate starting back last Spring and appointed members to do just that, with the house, and John Boehner refused to agree or appoint from his side.
So who are they fooling here?

If Obama sat down to negotiate, they would simply insist ACA be killed immediately, social programs like medicare and social security dismantled then privatized, and no doubt toss in there something outlawing abortion.

That "is" also know as holding a gun to your opponents head.

 

[Matt1970]

...they tend to like to get involved in matters BECUZ 'MURICA AND FREEDOM.

You are terrified because you were told to be terrified about the thought that the ACA could ruin the country. You are going off of a "what if" situation that's based on fear and sold in the same package (very little in logic) and have elected representatives that instead of trying to work with it chose to fight its entirety and shut down the government when they don't get their way having been told many, many times in the past 3 years.

But, I mean, if you want to simplify things down and eat up the fear conservatives are selling you, that's your choice.

(note: nowhere did I say ACA would cost less, the same, or more...It will probably cost more, but I'm not thinking it will quite ruin America like many are sold on)

Two things. First, if you want to accuse others of just going by what they are fed, don't repeat the left's taking points and whole "'MURICA" BS. Second, Obamacare was supposed to bring insurance rates down, by quite a bit. Even if they keep them them same that means they got it wrong. But you are going to trust all their other predictions right?

 

[Jhhnn]

And Tea Party proposals to do that are what, exactly?

It's a serious question. Lay it out.

"Instead of that, we want to do this" for every flaw you can identify.

Please.

Crickets. No surprise in that, I suppose...

 

[OverVolt]

If you think everyone else has a brain disorder aren't you the one with a brain disorder?