what's all the hubbub about the 760ti ?

[toyota]

Yep, upgrading from a GTX 460 here. I figure since the 760 is just around the corner, I might as well wait it out. There might be some good deals on GTX 670's too (stock clearance).

More VRAM is always useful. My GTX 460 1GB has served me well where as the 768MB version would have run into problems with games from 2011 and onward. I kind of hope someone will put out a 3GB 760. I bet open-world games like The Witcher 3 and GTA 5 will be able to use it.

it will be 256 bit so only options are 2gb with maybe some card makers offering 4gb.

 

[Borealis7]

are you keeping your cpu? if not then I would not even bother.

God, no. i'm waiting for a 4770K from an Intel employee who'll buy it for me with a discount.

 

[Eureka]

Yeah because the ram usage never goes up.

Of course you can disable some settings and enjoy the cards forever. That is the same argument for the GTX 5xx series until the 6xx hit with 2GB, suddenly people agreed 1-1.5GB is too little. Personally I think without the consoles hitting it would last longer, but there is certainly potential to use more than 2GB of ram since the consoles have 5-7GB for video memory. It will come, idk how long it will take. Christmas will be interesting.

As for the 4GB, NV has priced them too high so I agree it's not a great investment (compared to the competition). Yes, people will want to upgrade, but possibly in the same calendar year?

I highly, highly doubt we're going to see 3+ GB usage in the next year or so. Just because the VRAM is available doesn't mean they're going to just start making massive textures out of nowhere. It's still a transition stage from last gen hardware to next gen hardware. We might see VRAM usage start to creep up in the next few years, but it's not going to be such an overnight difference that we're going to all start regretting having 2GB cards.

 

[skipsneeky2]

A bit off topic i guess but will there be a vanilla gtx760 perhaps being a tweaked out gtx660 ti?

 

[DaveSimmons]

The X1 and PS4 only have 8 GB of shared memory, and X1 gives 3 GB of that to the OS and to let Kinect watch you with ceiling cat. So, 5 GB total for CPU + GPU.

Cross-platform games won't be using more than 2 GB RAM any time soon.

 

[zlejedi]

Any rumors about relase date ? I need to replace mine 470 and if 760ti->770 performance is similar to 670->680 i don't want to pay 770 prices.

 

[RussianSensation]

A stock GTX670 is about 15% faster than a stock 7950. The 4 games have now been out for quite awhile and are selling for as low as $4 (Blood Dragon) to $10 for Tomb Raider and Crysis 3.

Problem is GTX670 went on sale for $330-350 many times in the summer of last year. Anyone who is excited about a $299 GTX760Ti was simply too broke to buy a GTX670 for $330-350 last summer or has no clue how to time GPU purchases. No doubt a $299 GTX760Ti with 670's performance is better value than HD7950 V2 for $280 but HD7950 V2 itself was going for $280-300 11 months ago.

Sometimes I wonder who in the world buys GPU refreshes. Most of the time they are a waste since they barely provide any improvements over original cards in terms of speed and the opportunity cost of waiting 12 months to get a card slightly cheaper / and or 5-10% faster is simply not worth gaming on an outdated 40nm card.

Also, you might love your massive OCs, but some of us run at stock to enjoy the 100% stability without effort.

The whole point of overclocking is to exceed stock specs but maintain 100% stability. Since when is running gaming benchmarks and Unigine Heaven for a couple hours "effort"? You make it sound as if overclocking of a videocard and stability are mutually exclusive. The fact of the matter is people have been running overclocked 670/680/7950/7970 cards for the last 12-18 months. Considering 7950 MSI TF3 6+8 pin versions have been rocking 1100-1200mhz+ GPU speeds and matching/beating GTX680 since last summer when they cost $300, it's impossible to be excited about 760Ti for experienced PC builders.

Even if we look at it from a point of view of stock performance, GTX670 fell to $330-350 so many times over the course of the last 12 months, that it makes no sense why anyone would wait 12-15 months to save another $30-50. If so little money was worth it to wait another 12 months to them, they shouldn't be buying $300 videocards in the first place.

The other thing is HD7970 1Ghz cards are dropping to $350.

Looking at where a 1.05ghz HD7970 stacks up in frame times against GTX680/780/Titan in latest games, the HD7970 1Ghz card looks like a way better "bargain" than a hypothetical GTX760Ti:

There are a lot of games where a 1.05 Ghz 7970 levels the 670 by 20-30%. $50 more & 3GB of VRAM, great overclocked scaling and free games would make it a lot better value than a $300 760Ti in the first place.

When we look at $300 GTX760Ti ~ GTX670 vs. $350 HD7970 1Ghz, the 760Ti is way too expensive given the huge performance delta between them.

HD7950 needs a price drop now that 1Ghz 7970 cards can be found for $350. Comparing GTX670 to HD7950 V2 no longer makes sense considering that a $350 HD7970 1Ghz would be barely slower than a $450 GTX770 4GB card and that a $350 HD7970 1Ghz wipes out a 670 without effort.

In fact, it takes a 1250mhz GTX670 to match a stock 1.05ghz 7970.
http://www.hardocp.com/article/2013/01/08/asus_geforce_gtx_670_directcu_ii_4gb_gpu_review/10

And that's months ago. Since then AMD's drivers have only improved further.

 

[tweakboy]

Grab a 760 Ti ...equiv to a 670...

 

[BallaTheFeared]

AMD's drivers haven't improved since I bought my cards, what do you mean?

780 continues to impress even in slated games, vastly more OC headroom than GHz and already so much faster, quite a nice card, pity it's $650 but what can you do when AMD charges $550 for nextgen mid-range?

 

[raghu78]

AMD's drivers haven't improved since I bought my cards, what do you mean?

780 continues to impress even in slated games, vastly more OC headroom than GHz and already so much faster, quite a nice card, pity it's $650 but what can you do when AMD charges $550 for nextgen mid-range?

rubbish. AMD's fastest single chip GPU , HD 7970 Ghz is available for USD 390 (370 after rebate). HD 7970 OC for USD 370 (350 after rebate).

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16814202001
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16814202008

 

[RussianSensation]

AMD's drivers haven't improved since I bought my cards, what do you mean?

I have no idea when you bought your cards but AMD's drivers have improved since late last year.

You must be using different AMD drivers than the rest of the world.

"That said, the GTX 780 is still a $649 graphics card; it ain't gonna be the value leader. For now, the value title among the cards we've tested looks to be owned by the Radeon HD 7970 GHz Edition. The 7970 GHz can't quite keep pace with the GTX 780, but it cleanly defeats the GeForce GTX 680 while starting at about 10 bucks less online. AMD appears to have made considerable progress with its graphics drivers since late last year." ~ TechReport

780 continues to impress even in slated games, vastly more OC headroom than GHz and already so much faster, quite a nice card, pity it's $650 but what can you do when AMD charges $550 for nextgen mid-range?

Typical Balla post referring to 18 months old price for a launch 7970 and ripping its $100 premium over the 580 for the last 18 months, yet failing to mention how awfully overpriced the 780 is. Figured that would come up once no arguments can be presented for why NV is charging 76% more (GTX780 for $650) for a card that's barely 20% faster than the 7970GE.

I guess the concept of spending $370 and pocketing $280 for 20nm GPU upgrade next year that would net a large performance increase over the 7970GE rather than the measly 18-23% the 780 has is difficult to grasp. JHH is going to take a nice vacation this summer because with his marketing he has slowly converted NV gamers into Apple-style drones.

BTW, how many times have you ripped apart the $500 GTX680 when it got its ass handed by a $300 HD7950 V2?

Let's reverse the scenario: if NV had a $300 card that overclocked to beat AMD's $500 card and then AMD took a whopping 12 months to release a card for $300 that barely beat NV's $300 card, we wouldn't hear the end of it of how AMD is failing hard in the GPU market.

 

[96Firebird]

This thread seems to have turned from a 760 Ti thread into a sales thread for the 7970.

 

[RussianSensation]

This thread seems to have turned from a 760 Ti thread into a sales thread for the 7970.

Nope, just that with pricing of 7970, GTX760Ti and 7970 will be competitors.

You have a situation where a card that costs just $50 more is going to be 20% faster, has 3GB of VRAM, great overclocking headroom and free games. To put this in perspective, NV charges $280 more for a 20% faster 780 card! At $300 the 760Ti is lame. It should be $269-279.

 

[AnandThenMan]

At $300 the 760Ti is lame.

Nonsense, future GOLD AWARD at [H]. :sneaky:

Stop threadcrapping.
-- stahlhart

 

[96Firebird]

Funny, because all that is hypothetical.

We know nothing about the price, specs, or performance of the 760 Ti.

 

[RussianSensation]

Nonsense, future GOLD AWARD at [H]. :sneaky:

[H] gets excited when it takes NV 11 months to match a $470 July 2012 HD7970GE.

"The highly overclocked MSI N770 Lightning matches a highly overclocked Radeon HD 7970. We have sung high praise of GeForce GTX 700 products lately."
http://www.hardocp.com/article/2013/06/06/msi_n770_lightning_overclocking_review/4#.UbttV0D-HYE

But if you look at their review, a $450 Lightning GTX770 OC more or less ties HD7970GE OC in 3 out of 4 games and loses badly in the 4th. [H] still calls it a tie.

Funny, because all that is hypothetical.

We know nothing about the price, specs, or performance of the 760 Ti.

Doesn't mean we can't look at the rumours of GTX760Ti ~ GTX670 at $300. If true, HD7970 for $350 is still better since overclocked it trades blows with NV's 770.

And since you responded and derailed the thread, we're done here.
-- stahlhart