What's a good martial art to study?

Orsorum

Lifer
Dec 26, 2001
27,631
5
81
And why should I study it?

I'm reading all these karate threads, thinking to myself, this could be an interesting thing to take up as a hobby, and maybe in four or five years to be able to use (whether I'm in the FBI or the Air Force or whatever, :p).

 

Nebor

Lifer
Jun 24, 2003
29,582
12
76
Originally posted by: Orsorum
Originally posted by: z0mb13
get a gun, soo much more efficient..

I can't have a gun on university property. :(

Because obviously you'd go on a killing rampage if you had a gun. God forbid...
rolleye.gif
 
Dec 28, 2001
11,391
3
0
FBI/Air Force has their own hand-to-hand stuff ready; besides, how/when the hell would you be able to use your martial arts skills in the Air Force? You gonna jump outta your plane and karate chop their plane?

You asked the question yourself - why should you study the martial arts? To be able to subdue a suspect, to be able to fight (which is COMPLETELY different from witholding a person), for the discipline, for health benefits, for competition, etc., or for all of them?

You need to look at several factors;

-What you're looking for (like mentioned above)

-What you're capable of (physically and financially - don't be stupid and be realistic on this one)

-What/How much you're willing to commit/dedicate to learning this style

-What is available around your area

Say, for instance, you're small, overweight, outta shape and can't walk up three flights of stairs without taking a break for the love of god (not necessarily saying that you are), looking to kick ass within three months; you're prolly not going to have much luck taking Aikido and being able to kick ass in three months - rather, intensive training in Juijitsu, Muay Thai or Boxing might do the trick (of course, intensive training in any combative style will do tha trick): but, if you look around and Aikido is all you have, well, you're SOL there buddy (Technically, there are different styles of Aikido, and a lot of them are very aggressive and combative, so I'm generalizing here).

Of course, even if you find the style you're looking for but aren't willing to spend more than an hour a week training, well, good luck trying to get anywhere . . ..

Too many variables to list - first of all, how fit are you, what are you looking for in martial arts, and what is your (conservative) estimate on how much time you are willing to spend training in said martial art?
 

Orsorum

Lifer
Dec 26, 2001
27,631
5
81
Originally posted by: Jehovah
FBI/Air Force has their own hand-to-hand stuff ready; besides, how/when the hell would you be able to use your martial arts skills in the Air Force? You gonna jump outta your plane and karate chop their plane?

You asked the question yourself - why should you study the martial arts? To be able to subdue a suspect, to be able to fight (which is COMPLETELY different from witholding a person), for the discipline, for health benefits, for competition, etc., or for all of them?

You need to look at several factors;

-What you're looking for (like mentioned above)

-What you're capable of (physically and financially - don't be stupid and be realistic on this one)

-What/How much you're willing to commit/dedicate to learning this style

-What is available around your area

Say, for instance, you're small, overweight, outta shape and can't walk up three flights of stairs without taking a break for the love of god (not necessarily saying that you are), looking to kick ass within three months; you're prolly not going to have much luck taking Aikido and being able to kick ass in three months - rather, intensive training in Juijitsu, Muay Thai or Boxing might do the trick (of course, intensive training in any combative style will do tha trick): but, if you look around and Aikido is all you have, well, you're SOL there buddy (Technically, there are different styles of Aikido, and a lot of them are very aggressive and combative, so I'm generalizing here).

Of course, even if you find the style you're looking for but aren't willing to spend more than an hour a week training, well, good luck trying to get anywhere . . ..

Too many variables to list - first of all, how fit are you, what are you looking for in martial arts, and what is your (conservative) estimate on how much time you are willing to spend training in said martial art?

Wow, that's probably the best answer (well, response) I could've hoped for.

Here's the thought: I'm out of shape, currently, could stand to lose about 30 lbs; I'm starting a new exercise regimen on Wed.; this is not a short term change, and that's what I'm trying to work with: this is not something I want to approach in three months, this is something I'm thinking of working into my life and growing with, in a sense.

What I want right now is information - yes, I would like to be able to someday work for the FBI, and that would require knowing how to subdue a suspect, but that afaik is taught to agents. I'd like to learn about what is available and what would be useful for self-defense and personal growth. Dependant on the style, how much time is required each week? Etc etc.
 

Nebor

Lifer
Jun 24, 2003
29,582
12
76
Originally posted by: Jehovah
Originally posted by: z0mb13
get a gun, soo much more efficient..

There's something to be said for "getting what you've worked for".

Wow, talk about lazy . . ..

Well, when the karate guy sees Joey the street thug walking up to and taking a swing, he thinks "Block, now grab his forearm, push backwards and twist."
Now Lenny the street thug walks up with a knife, "Step back, then quickly move in and grab his hand, twisting it back and down, dropping the knife."
Now Luciano the street thug walks up with a baseball bat, "They never said anything about baseball bats..."

Whereas, the man with the gun would know exactly how to deal with Joey, Lenny, and Luciano... all in one magazine!
 
Dec 28, 2001
11,391
3
0
Originally posted by: Orsorum
Originally posted by: Jehovah
FBI/Air Force has their own hand-to-hand stuff ready; besides, how/when the hell would you be able to use your martial arts skills in the Air Force? You gonna jump outta your plane and karate chop their plane?

You asked the question yourself - why should you study the martial arts? To be able to subdue a suspect, to be able to fight (which is COMPLETELY different from witholding a person), for the discipline, for health benefits, for competition, etc., or for all of them?

You need to look at several factors;

-What you're looking for (like mentioned above)

-What you're capable of (physically and financially - don't be stupid and be realistic on this one)

-What/How much you're willing to commit/dedicate to learning this style

-What is available around your area

Say, for instance, you're small, overweight, outta shape and can't walk up three flights of stairs without taking a break for the love of god (not necessarily saying that you are), looking to kick ass within three months; you're prolly not going to have much luck taking Aikido and being able to kick ass in three months - rather, intensive training in Juijitsu, Muay Thai or Boxing might do the trick (of course, intensive training in any combative style will do tha trick): but, if you look around and Aikido is all you have, well, you're SOL there buddy (Technically, there are different styles of Aikido, and a lot of them are very aggressive and combative, so I'm generalizing here).

Of course, even if you find the style you're looking for but aren't willing to spend more than an hour a week training, well, good luck trying to get anywhere . . ..

Too many variables to list - first of all, how fit are you, what are you looking for in martial arts, and what is your (conservative) estimate on how much time you are willing to spend training in said martial art?

Wow, that's probably the best answer (well, response) I could've hoped for.

Here's the thought: I'm out of shape, currently, could stand to lose about 30 lbs; I'm starting a new exercise regimen on Wed.; this is not a short term change, and that's what I'm trying to work with: this is not something I want to approach in three months, this is something I'm thinking of working into my life and growing with, in a sense.

What I want right now is information - yes, I would like to be able to someday work for the FBI, and that would require knowing how to subdue a suspect, but that afaik is taught to agents. I'd like to learn about what is available and what would be useful for self-defense and personal growth. Dependant on the style, how much time is required each week? Etc etc.

The best answer that I could give you [the best that a complete stranger over the internet on a message forum can give, I suppose] is to research what's available around your area - and don't kid yourself - any martial art is going to require some amount of physical/financial/chronological investment - like everything else, the more you invest, the more you'll get in return.

If I may make some conjectures, sounds like you're in a university setting - an ideal setting for beginning martial arts students if I do say so myself - often their rates/fees are cheaper, and in dealing with college students (take that as you will) they are more often laid back about things - but then again, it all depends on what kind of club you're talking about - if you inadvertantly walk into a club that's been at the university for years and is steeped in tradition, well, you're going to get your ass chewed out for the smallest disciplinary faults - college kids are passionate about things that way sometimes . . . or the other way around, liek previously mentioned.

Basically, you need to look around campus for more information, even if you're not interested in university sponsored clubs (say, you're like faculty or something), you still need to look around your area, or might even set up some kind of private lesson deal; regardless, I do NOT know what is around your area nor do I know who you are/what kind of person you are (Believe it or not, some martial arts fit some personality types much better - look around each clubs and you'll get a certain 'vibe' for what the style is all about) Basically, look around, and ask the questions you've asked here to them in person - of course they are biased, and they'll try to sell you their style as being some kind of *Wonder-Style* that somehow has all these things you were looking for - make a list of all the schools you'd like to visit, hell, even visit some schools you wouldn't want to join - you never know (This particualr style of Kung Fu I'm in right now - when I first met the guy, I told him straight up "I can't train with you because I've been training in this and is too busy" - well, call me wrong, I guess: I've been training with him for three years and I'm his head student now)Check out all of the schools and then make a decision.

Like you said, you're planning on investing four/five years of your life doing this - it's a big investment, almost like a university - go and visit all the schools, and then make a decision. Some additional tips:

-Most schools let you train initially for a week or so for free - take advantage and work out with them! Just sitting and watching vs. actually participating is comepletely different!
-After you look at what's available, THEN research what the style is all about - heck, if you PM me, I might be able to help you out a bit!
-Be weary of instructors trying to push things on you - you're not theirs until you sign that little dotted line; YOU'RE in charge until then.
-You might be suprised at this, but also look at what kind of people are in the club; certain types of people attract similar people, so their students are a good reflection of the instructor: besides, you're going to spend a lot of time with them, that means you'd better like them too, right?

Good luck (it's late and I'm going to bed)!
 
Dec 28, 2001
11,391
3
0
Originally posted by: Nebor
Originally posted by: Jehovah
Originally posted by: z0mb13
get a gun, soo much more efficient..

There's something to be said for "getting what you've worked for".

Wow, talk about lazy . . ..

Well, when the karate guy sees Joey the street thug walking up to and taking a swing, he thinks "Block, now grab his forearm, push backwards and twist."
Now Lenny the street thug walks up with a knife, "Step back, then quickly move in and grab his hand, twisting it back and down, dropping the knife."
Now Luciano the street thug walks up with a baseball bat, "They never said anything about baseball bats..."

Whereas, the man with the gun would know exactly how to deal with Joey, Lenny, and Luciano... all in one magazine!

Then I'd argue the Karate Guy's instructor was an incompetent buffoon who taught complicated self-defense, not martial arts. There's a difference. Martial arts goes to the thory of each technique - hence, if you understand the theory, you can apply it to any situation; example - if the karate guys knew WHY he was defending a certain way against a knife as opposed to just going through the motion, then he can apply it whether it was a glass bottle, or a bat, or a knife coming in a circular direction going horizontally, vertically, diagonally, in a linear fashion thrusting forward, etc.
I'm not arguing about the effective nature of a gun - I'm talking more about the idiots who say get a gun for every single defensive situation without knowing what they're talking about while at the same time implicitly talking down on something people work very hard to perfect.

If we all carried guns, do you know how much trouble we'd get ourselves into? In martial arts, we teach the more "dangerous" stuff to the higher ranks because of what a high rank entails - that shows that a person has the dedication and self control to work hard towards something, plus the fact that they're going to be in the opposite end so they also know what it feels like to have it done to them - I'm not saying all gun owners are trigger happy buffoons, but not all gun owners are going to truly appreciate what they have as opposed to martial arts students and their techniques.

And, the guy wans't necessarily talking about self-defense situations in taking a martial arts class; rather, he was considering taking martial arts - then Z0mb13 just jumps to a conclusion that he's taking it for self defense and says that guns are a better solution - for what? For learning discipline? For tournaments? Subduing someone? Please - in jumping to conclusions and assuming that guns are just better shows his ignorance towards the question. And I might be in a bit of a vindicitve mood right now since I'm kinda tired, but it doesn't say much about yourself that you're also defending him in this context, Nebor. :p

Who's the bigger idiot - the idiot, or the person siding with the idiot?
 

Nebor

Lifer
Jun 24, 2003
29,582
12
76
Guns require self discipline, there are tournaments and they can subdue someone.

I guess he didn't say anything about self defense, you're right.

And if everyone carried guns, the world would be a much nicer place. No one would dare step out of line because they would get blown away.
 
Dec 28, 2001
11,391
3
0
Originally posted by: Nebor
Guns require self discipline, there are tournaments and they can subdue someone.

I guess he didn't say anything about self defense, you're right.

And if everyone carried guns, the world would be a much nicer place. No one would dare step out of line because they would get blown away.

They can subdue someone, but what about someone you don't necessarily want to hurt, or someone under the influence so they can't tell that you're holding something that's potentially fatal to them? In my experience, I've dealt far more with these types of scenarios compared to where I've felt so threatened so that I'd do anything to escape, even resorting to potentially fatal situations - in fact, call me lucky, but I've never been in that situation.

Like I said, not all gun owners are trigger happy idiots, but at the same time, there are some that would abuse that power - it's like teaching a white belt a black belt technique - most white belts would know better, but there's always that one stupid white belt who goofs around with it and hurts someone. It's notsomuch the quality of gunowners I'm arguing here, but the quantity of responsible gunowners vs. responsible martial artists.

And if everyone carried guns, half the population wouldn't step out of the house and the other half would be driving around with one hand at their holster - people don't mean to get angry, some just do - do you think people get road rage because they felt like it?
 

Nebor

Lifer
Jun 24, 2003
29,582
12
76
I definitely get road rage becuase it's the best place for me to vent my anger. I drive quickly and aggressively, but the rest of the time, I'm a pretty calm and collected kinda guy. The road is just a good place to get it all out.
 

Nebor

Lifer
Jun 24, 2003
29,582
12
76
Originally posted by: ntrights
First learn Karate then switch over to Kung Fu

Do you know if knife defense credits transfer to Kung Fu University? Where do I get my karate transcript?
 
Dec 28, 2001
11,391
3
0
Originally posted by: Nebor
I definitely get road rage becuase it's the best place for me to vent my anger. I drive quickly and aggressively, but the rest of the time, I'm a pretty calm and collected kinda guy. The road is just a good place to get it all out.

Well yeah, but unlike the most of us, there is that certain percentage of the population where their road rage is so bad they come out swinging a bat - if they're so angry as to swing a bat at someone full swing - enough to break someone's neck - what makes you think they won't pull out a gun if they had one?

There's always that populace that you cant' trust certain things with: anger-pronce people, children, etc. - the good thing about martial arts is that it's such a slow process to get everything it has to offer; more importantly, they also have to be on the opposite end, so they understand the complete ramifications (well, softened up so they don't get hurt, but at least they get to feel what they're doing to someone else firsthand). For a lack of a better term, the people in martial arts learn what "pain" is; unfortunately, with a gun, it does its job all too well - and who can honestly say that they were shot at during rifle training?

I've had a buddy of mine shot up once, so I'm not saying that martial arts is the end-all be-all of all self-defense, but I'd also venture to say for the majority of the population (and even more for ATOT, which I assume lives in a wealthy enough neighborhood to have access to a computer and an online connection), a gun isn't something they're really going to need to use towards another human being (unless they voluntarily went into situations like that because of vocational responsibilities, etc.).

At least, I hope not.

Anyhow, I think I said I'm going to bed about an hour ago, so I should get going now . . ..
 

ntrights

Senior member
Mar 10, 2002
319
0
0
Originally posted by: Nebor
Originally posted by: ntrights
First learn Karate then switch over to Kung Fu

Do you know if knife defense credits transfer to Kung Fu University? Where do I get my karate transcript?
I have no idé
 
Dec 28, 2001
11,391
3
0
Originally posted by: Nebor
Originally posted by: ntrights
First learn Karate then switch over to Kung Fu

Do you know if knife defense credits transfer to Kung Fu University? Where do I get my karate transcript?

Duh. Kung Fu University has a prerequisite of knife defence - at least three credits. And you can get your Karate transcript from Sensei Splinter - he's a giant rat living in the sewers. Search around and you'll find him.
 

Orsorum

Lifer
Dec 26, 2001
27,631
5
81
Originally posted by: Jehovah
Originally posted by: Nebor
Originally posted by: ntrights
First learn Karate then switch over to Kung Fu

Do you know if knife defense credits transfer to Kung Fu University? Where do I get my karate transcript?

Duh. Kung Fu University has a prerequisite of knife defence - at least three credits. And you can get your Karate transcript from Sensei Splinter - he's a giant rat living in the sewers. Search around and you'll find him.

I :heart: Sensei Splinter!
 
Dec 28, 2001
11,391
3
0
Originally posted by: Orsorum
Originally posted by: Jehovah
Originally posted by: Nebor
Originally posted by: ntrights
First learn Karate then switch over to Kung Fu

Do you know if knife defense credits transfer to Kung Fu University? Where do I get my karate transcript?

Duh. Kung Fu University has a prerequisite of knife defence - at least three credits. And you can get your Karate transcript from Sensei Splinter - he's a giant rat living in the sewers. Search around and you'll find him.

I :heart: Sensei Splinter!

So did you decide/find a place you liked yet?