apoppin
Lifer
#1 is Crysis .. but no one has the rig for "very high"
Hellgate:London wins .. but you must run DX10 on Vista 64 to get it "all"
AFTER that it might be CoJ, LP, and BioShock [the first 10%]
i don't have Assassins Creed ... but it is supposed to look awesome on a 3870 series GPU with DX10.1 - unfortunately DX10.1 needs to be patched OUT for the other GPUs.
HDR correct AA ... very cool in CoJ
have you guys notice that the quality difference between dx9 and 10 isn't something insanely amazing and incredibly stunning.... you put vista for dx10 and besides the trouble of vista you wont say WOW..... i jump from earth to heaven.. is so different... is so much more better....
dx10 is just a bit... just a piece of bit.. thats all...
dx10 is just a bit... just a piece of bit.. thats all...
apoppin
Lifer
Let me guess
You have DX9, right?
Yes .. yes .. yes .. yes .. DX10 is "worth it" [for me]
no trouble for Vista whatsoever .. XP is SO stupidly primitive by comparison
Nope. The DX10 client won't be out for some time. The new client is all SM3.0 DX9c. Runs like a champ and looks good too if you have the hardware to push it all cranked high. Their are a lot of DX7/8 models and textures still in the game as well as well as the nebula and backdrops still being the original. Its all changing over time.
Not even sure if the DX10 client will come out now that they have figured a way of preloading objects in space before you load grid without using the DX10 pipeline enhancements which was the main point of even having a DX10 client.
jonks
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Originally posted by: apoppin
Let me guess
You have DX9, right?
Yes .. yes .. yes .. yes .. DX10 is "worth it" [for me]
no trouble for Vista whatsoever .. XP is SO stupidly primitive by comparison
Granted, his engrish isn't great, but his point was if you get vista for dx10, the visual improvements over dx9 are subtle and unlikely to elicit from you a shouted exclamation. Which has been acknowledged by, oh I dunno, everyone.
And to call XP primitive compared to vista is really pushing it. The recommended consensus of nearly the entire windows community was don't rush to upgrade b/c the improvements are subtle. I'm probably just going to skip vista altogether since MS announced the next windows is coming out in 09. Which would sorta make Vista the WindowsME of recent OSs. We'll see.
apoppin
Lifer
i like to push it -
--over and over
:heart:
oh, Vista
yeah, XP is primitive in comparison .. try Vista, don't tweak it and you will like it
--over and over
:heart:
oh, Vista
yeah, XP is primitive in comparison .. try Vista, don't tweak it and you will like it
apoppin
Lifer
You're right - for you
i see 2 rigs running Win98
.. and and a barely "up to date" one with XP
DX10 really looks good .. sorry to burst the sour grapes bubble for you
- Hellgate: London - despite being a so-so game - is almost worth the price of admission for Vista 64 and is a Hell of a Poster Child For it
- the little devil is really kinda cute with all the haze distortion and special effects with motion blur!
:evil:
That's the most accurate description of it I've noticed.'
Ignore Apoppin - he's trollin'.
But yes, 9.0d would've been a much better description, as it's a small incremental change designed to lure gullible gamers over to Vista. It's certainly not the leap you saw from DX7 to DX8 or 8 to 9.
apoppin
Lifer
I'd agree LOTRO is an excellent example of DX9 and DX10 differences. Here's a side-by-side comparison done by HOCP:
LOTRO DX9 vs DX10 @ HOCP
I know some people here don't like HOCP much, but I can tell you for sure their images aren't embellished in any way. LOTRO is a fantastic looking game, aside from some questionable art direction the engine is simply amazing.
For the DX10-haters, DX10 doesn't necessarily enable any features that weren't possible in DX9 from a technical standpoint, it just often makes those features realistic from a performance standpoint. Yes DX10 performance will almost always result in decreased performance compared to DX9, but in comparison those features in DX9 might've resulted in completely unplayable frame rates or would be simply too performance expensive to attempt in DX9.
As for the biggest differences, I've found the most drastic improvements with water and reflective effects along with shadows. With water you'll often see much more accurate dynamic reflections and softer edges. With shadows you'll typically see much less pixelation and softer, more accurate shadows.
LOTRO DX9 vs DX10 @ HOCP
I know some people here don't like HOCP much, but I can tell you for sure their images aren't embellished in any way. LOTRO is a fantastic looking game, aside from some questionable art direction the engine is simply amazing.
For the DX10-haters, DX10 doesn't necessarily enable any features that weren't possible in DX9 from a technical standpoint, it just often makes those features realistic from a performance standpoint. Yes DX10 performance will almost always result in decreased performance compared to DX9, but in comparison those features in DX9 might've resulted in completely unplayable frame rates or would be simply too performance expensive to attempt in DX9.
As for the biggest differences, I've found the most drastic improvements with water and reflective effects along with shadows. With water you'll often see much more accurate dynamic reflections and softer edges. With shadows you'll typically see much less pixelation and softer, more accurate shadows.
apoppin
Lifer
nice, thank-you!
i am eager to install LotRO .. but my projects may take me deep to the 2nd week of May; i had a major family health emergency to deal with that have allowed me less than 4 hours sleep a night - maybe an hour at a time; so i am pretty frazzled right now.
DX10 is simply "more realistic"
- what is not to like?
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XFD @ calling apoppin a troll. wtf crack are you guys smoking?
Nice link, Chizow.
I just got Vista, coming from years and years of XP, and as long as you turn UAC off, I haven't had a single problem that I wouldn't have had on XP (forgot to get audio drivers, WoW had no sound, even though other games could use the default Vista drivers). I *freaking love* superfetch, it's already learned that I use firefox extensively and the program opens up near-instantly whenever I need it. Vista is also way more responsive much sooner, even if my total boot-up time until "done" booting is similar to XP. I actually like Aero, whereas I changed XP to look like win98 because the XP theme was so hideous. The sidebar sucks for me, because I hate stuff like that, but it turned off easily and stays off, and I can see why others would like it.
Honestly, my biggest complaint about vista? No "up one folder" button in the explorer window.
Nice link, Chizow.
I just got Vista, coming from years and years of XP, and as long as you turn UAC off, I haven't had a single problem that I wouldn't have had on XP (forgot to get audio drivers, WoW had no sound, even though other games could use the default Vista drivers). I *freaking love* superfetch, it's already learned that I use firefox extensively and the program opens up near-instantly whenever I need it. Vista is also way more responsive much sooner, even if my total boot-up time until "done" booting is similar to XP. I actually like Aero, whereas I changed XP to look like win98 because the XP theme was so hideous. The sidebar sucks for me, because I hate stuff like that, but it turned off easily and stays off, and I can see why others would like it.
Honestly, my biggest complaint about vista? No "up one folder" button in the explorer window.
jonks
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Originally posted by: apoppin
i like to push it -
--over and over
:heart:
oh, Vista
yeah, XP is primitive in comparison .. try Vista, don't tweak it and you will like it
I have, as have most of the people here no doubt, as they have friends or associates who have Vista. I've got Vista on my business laptop. It's fine. But not a big leap in any way over XP, and had troubles with it in the beginning with it asking permission every 6 seconds. Drove me nuts. XP stands up very strong next to it and I have no plans on upgrading my home pc to vista.
I can point to a dozen industry articles saying there's no reason to upgrade from xp, and I can't find one that says people should definitely upgrade, your 'primitive' claim is empty.
funboy6942
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Originally posted by: apoppin
nice, thank-you!
i am eager to install LotRO .. but my projects may take me deep to the 2nd week of May; i had a major family health emergency to deal with that have allowed me less than 4 hours sleep a night - maybe an hour at a time; so i am pretty frazzled right now.
DX10 is simply "more realistic"
- what is not to like?
Shit out of focus when you want to look at it in focus, over blown over bight crap everywhere, especially if it has a edge or straight line on it. If it is anything like some 360 games, DiRT for example, where all sun light is as bright as a 100,000 watt light bulb, then DX10 sucks, and its a programmers short cut, or cheat the rather doing their job and rendering the fucking game the right way. The comparison shot of A.C., was a good example of what I dont like. Granted if its the focal point you want it to be in focus where the character is, BUT, if your shooting for real life, then you can go fuzzing everything out past the character, it reminds be of when the N64 come out to compete against the PS. Everyone was bitching about everything outside of the main focal point was out of focus, and how the PS did a better job keeping it all in focus. DX10 is nothing more then a step BACKWARDS, by over exposing everything, and making it all look fuzzy, out of focus, or over bright, so that the programmers dont have to write code to make sure it all looks clean, in focus, and the like. Instead its a cheat so they can punch out more games, so half ass gamers can go, "oh, its dx10, its the bomb, look at how bright the sun is, and the glow coming off all the characters. Its so much better then actually enjoying to look at how sharp, and realistic the ground is as it goes towards the building. Its so fuzzy and realistic, till I look past the character and its looks as though I need glasses because now I cant make out crap"
Want DX10, then go buy a N64, enjoy your dx10 goodness and shine a bright ass bulb on the screen for your lovely over bright stuff.
Hows that for a what not to like
Originally posted by: apoppin
nice, thank-you!
i am eager to install LotRO .. but my projects may take me deep to the 2nd week of May; i had a major family health emergency to deal with that have allowed me less than 4 hours sleep a night - maybe an hour at a time; so i am pretty frazzled right now.
DX10 is simply "more realistic"
- what is not to like?
Ouch, sorry to hear about the family emergency, hope everything works out.
But ya LOTRO is really a fabulous looking game with sufficient hardware. I sometimes log in just to run around and see how good a game can look.
They just had an update yesterday and added a bunch of new stuff. But ya DX10 can definitely add some very nice visual enhancements. Once hardware catches up a bit and games are designed using DX10 from the ground-up I think we'll see even further advancements.
novasatori
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split into zones with loading screens. I just started playing it (free trial). Kind of a bummer.
(WoW was fairly seemless, only had loading screens for going across continents and loading instances.)
apoppin
Lifer
Originally posted by: sirjonk
Originally posted by: apoppin
i like to push it -
--over and over
:heart:
oh, Vista
yeah, XP is primitive in comparison .. try Vista, don't tweak it and you will like it
I have, as have most of the people here no doubt, as they have friends or associates who have Vista. I've got Vista on my business laptop. It's fine. But not a big leap in any way over XP, and had troubles with it in the beginning with it asking permission every 6 seconds. Drove me nuts. XP stands up very strong next to it and I have no plans on upgrading my home pc to vista.
I can point to a dozen industry articles saying there's no reason to upgrade from xp, and I can't find one that says people should definitely upgrade, your 'primitive' claim is empty.
Who cares what "experts" think - i am an expert on Vista gaming
i don't give a crap about why business chooses to keep XP .. nor that you have Vista on your *business laptop*
all of that nonsense from you is "fluff" ... completely moot to my point
We are in 'PC gaming', in case you didn't notice - not talking about Linux in OS forum - For GAMING - Vista is superior to XP - DX10.1 right now
- it looks better, it plays better when ported to 64bit and anyone who *says OTHERWISE* (1) has a shitty rig, (2) Vista is set up wrong or (3) You are blind
^^^in COMPARISON to the ABOVE ^^^ - what we are discussing - Vista gaming
--XP is primitive in comparison
LOTRO isn't quite split into zones. There are zones from inside to outside, like Halls or Dungeons, but the overland zones are all seamless. Like I can ride from Bree to Rivendell on horse without hitting a single zone wall or load transition. This is part of the reason LOTRO can be very hard on RAM and storage subsystems, as the new textures will constantly be loading as you transition in real-time.
Also, the comment about it being kind of a bummer. Is that directed at the gameplay or the graphics? The free trial comes with low-res textures by default I believe. You'll need to either purchase retail or download the high-res textures in a separate package. The difference is rather huge, as I wasn't impressed at all by LOTRO's graphics at launch until I installed the high-res textures some weeks later. If you're bored by the gameplay, I can't help ya there and won't really argue that it can get tedious, although I did find it very enjoyable the first play-through.
I downloaded the high res trial. The graphics are great, the water looks fantastic. Maybe all of the loading screens I saw were due to the intro bit.
*goes to play lotro*
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