Whats a cougar?

[Iron Woode]

Originally posted by: Beau

Originally posted by: JoeKing
but a cougar has the speed. It'll dodge a bears hits.

If an African Lion can't beat a grizzly, a cougar hasn't a chance in hell

A full grown and healthy male Lion defending his pride is about the most dangerous animal on the planet.

6 inch fangs and 4 inch razor sharp claws that will cut through the toughest hides.

That Lion will not back down, period. Unless the bear has some reason to stay and fight, it will run like hell from that lion.

Since that sort of encounter is not possible in nature, it is a moot point.

 

[Iron Woode]

Originally posted by: JoeKing
an african lion is to slow and big, a cougar on the other hand can jump and dodge onto a bears back.

Slow and big?

You need to study wildlife a little closer.

The male lion is very strong and agile. It may not do the hunting, but let me tell you: no other animals (except the huge herbivores) will dare annoy him. His job, other than fertilizing the lionesses, is to protect the pride. His size belies his ability. He is much faster than the females and way stronger.

Hyenas are tough scavengers that harress the hunters. They think nothing of pestering the lionesses after a kill. If the females are being harrassed too much, they call for male lion to help. When he shows up, the hyenas scatter. They know he will kill any and all he catches. I have seen this and it was very nasty watching a hyena get ripped in half.

Don't under estimate him.

 

[acemcmac]

Originally posted by: Iron Woode

Originally posted by: JoeKing
an african lion is to slow and big, a cougar on the other hand can jump and dodge onto a bears back.

Slow and big?

You need to study wildlife a little closer.

The male lion is very strong and agile. It may not do the hunting, but let me tell you: no other animals (except the huge herbivores) will dare annoy him. His job, other than fertilizing the lionesses, is to protect the pride. His size belies his ability. He is much faster than the females and way stronger.

Hyenas are tough scavengers that harress the hunters. They think nothing of pestering the lionesses after a kill. If the females are being harrassed too much, they call for male lion to help. When he shows up, the hyenas scatter. They know he will kill any and all he catches. I have seen this and it was very nasty watching a hyena get ripped in half.

Don't under estimate him.

that sounds like ownage

 

[JoeKing]

Originally posted by: Iron Woode

Originally posted by: JoeKing
an african lion is to slow and big, a cougar on the other hand can jump and dodge onto a bears back.

Slow and big?

You need to study wildlife a little closer.

The male lion is very strong and agile. It may not do the hunting, but let me tell you: no other animals (except the huge herbivores) will dare annoy him. His job, other than fertilizing the lionesses, is to protect the pride. His size belies his ability. He is much faster than the females and way stronger.

Hyenas are tough scavengers that harress the hunters. They think nothing of pestering the lionesses after a kill. If the females are being harrassed too much, they call for male lion to help. When he shows up, the hyenas scatter. They know he will kill any and all he catches. I have seen this and it was very nasty watching a hyena get ripped in half.

Don't under estimate him.

blah blah blah, I've seen the video with the hyenas getting "owned" by the Lion. I've also seen a dethroned Lion getting owned by his former pride. But I'm not talking about lions or hyenas (who would be the dominate species on the African planes if they were not cursed with such a weak posterior, did you know a hyenas jaw strength is more powerful per square inch than a Lions? Add to that their super efficient digestive system and pack mentality and you?ve got a super predator)

I'm talking about a mother-f'ing Cougar kicking a bear in the balls!! In every fight it doesn't matter if you're the strongest cat (pun intended) in the world. If you don't connect you ain't gonna do damage to your opponent. As you get bigger you get slower so my postulation is a bear is overly large to fight a cougar!

 

[LeadMagnet]

Originally posted by: jagec

Originally posted by: DrPizza
no way. Grizzly > polar > black > cougar

well, Grizzly's at the top for sure, but I bet a cougar could beat a black bear...they're just too docile.

Actually my understanding is the order of toughness is like this.

1: Polar Bear (they are the only preditor in the artic so they fear nothing & even take out whales!)
2: Kodiak (a bigger subset of Grizzly only found on Kodiak Island in the NorthWest)
3: Grizzly
4: Cougars are tough a hell and occasionaly that out a biker or jogger
4: Black bears are kind of wimpy scavengers and stay away from other preditors & people

 

[Iron Woode]

Originally posted by: JoeKing

Originally posted by: Iron Woode

Originally posted by: JoeKing
an african lion is to slow and big, a cougar on the other hand can jump and dodge onto a bears back.

Slow and big?

You need to study wildlife a little closer.

The male lion is very strong and agile. It may not do the hunting, but let me tell you: no other animals (except the huge herbivores) will dare annoy him. His job, other than fertilizing the lionesses, is to protect the pride. His size belies his ability. He is much faster than the females and way stronger.

Hyenas are tough scavengers that harress the hunters. They think nothing of pestering the lionesses after a kill. If the females are being harrassed too much, they call for male lion to help. When he shows up, the hyenas scatter. They know he will kill any and all he catches. I have seen this and it was very nasty watching a hyena get ripped in half.

Don't under estimate him.

blah blah blah, I've seen the video with the hyenas getting "owned" by the Lion. I've also seen a dethroned Lion getting owned by his former pride. But I'm not talking about lions or hyenas (who would be the dominate species on the African planes if they were not cursed with such a weak posterior, did you know a hyenas jaw strength is more powerful per square inch than a Lions? Add to that their super efficient digestive system and pack mentality and you?ve got a super predator)

I'm talking about a mother-f'ing Cougar kicking a bear in the balls!! In every fight it doesn't matter if you're the strongest cat (pun intended) in the world. If you don't connect you ain't gonna do damage to your opponent. As you get bigger you get slower so my postulation is a bear is overly large to fight a cougar!

first off yes, a fight by male lions for the pride is a very violent one. This fight is one of the few in nature that is usually to the death. That is why a lion doesn't back down. If he loses, he faces certain death as the new commer has nothing to lose.

Second, Hyenas are out classed by other more modern predators. Even the wild dogs of Africa pwn them. They have a completely different biology than most mammals. Their skeletal structure is different (high shoulders and low hips). The pack (if you could call it that) is run by females with, well, penises. Males are subordinate. Strong and dangerous yes, but not a top predator.

As for the cougar, the only way it can pwn a bear would be if it was a female with cubs. That would make the cougar very aggressive and dangerous. Protecting its young against a bear would be the bears worst nitemare. She will not stop her assault until one of them fled or was dead. I have seen cougars take down a moose. They usually attack from above.

I also saw a bull Elk take on a black bear. They were both seriously injured. The elk later died and the bear was wounded badly and eventually died from infection. The elk charged at the bear and hit it right in the chest so hard that he lifted the bear off the ground. It was so nasty I stopped watching it.

 

[Iron Woode]

Originally posted by: LeadMagnet

Originally posted by: jagec

Originally posted by: DrPizza
no way. Grizzly > polar > black > cougar

well, Grizzly's at the top for sure, but I bet a cougar could beat a black bear...they're just too docile.

Actually my understanding is the order of toughness is like this.

1: Polar Bear (they are the only preditor in the artic so they fear nothing & even take out whales!)
2: Kodiak (a bigger subset of Grizzly only found on Kodiak Island in the NorthWest)
3: Grizzly
4: Cougars are tough a hell and occasionaly that out a biker or jogger
4: Black bears are kind of wimpy scavengers and stay away from other preditors & people

Nope.

Wolves, foxes, seals and of course the biggest predator up north:

Killer whale. They have been known to eat polarbears.

 

[Bryophyte]

Originally posted by: Iron Woode
I find women over 30 to be more attractive and more fun to be with than women in their 20's.

:heart: :lips:

 

[DotheDamnTHing]

get back to the original topic...cougars for all

 

[JoeKing]

Originally posted by: Iron Woode

Originally posted by: JoeKing

Originally posted by: Iron Woode

Originally posted by: JoeKing
an african lion is to slow and big, a cougar on the other hand can jump and dodge onto a bears back.

Slow and big?

You need to study wildlife a little closer.

The male lion is very strong and agile. It may not do the hunting, but let me tell you: no other animals (except the huge herbivores) will dare annoy him. His job, other than fertilizing the lionesses, is to protect the pride. His size belies his ability. He is much faster than the females and way stronger.

Hyenas are tough scavengers that harress the hunters. They think nothing of pestering the lionesses after a kill. If the females are being harrassed too much, they call for male lion to help. When he shows up, the hyenas scatter. They know he will kill any and all he catches. I have seen this and it was very nasty watching a hyena get ripped in half.

Don't under estimate him.

blah blah blah, I've seen the video with the hyenas getting "owned" by the Lion. I've also seen a dethroned Lion getting owned by his former pride. But I'm not talking about lions or hyenas (who would be the dominate species on the African planes if they were not cursed with such a weak posterior, did you know a hyenas jaw strength is more powerful per square inch than a Lions? Add to that their super efficient digestive system and pack mentality and you?ve got a super predator)

I'm talking about a mother-f'ing Cougar kicking a bear in the balls!! In every fight it doesn't matter if you're the strongest cat (pun intended) in the world. If you don't connect you ain't gonna do damage to your opponent. As you get bigger you get slower so my postulation is a bear is overly large to fight a cougar!

first off yes, a fight by male lions for the pride is a very violent one. This fight is one of the few in nature that is usually to the death. That is why a lion doesn't back down. If he loses, he faces certain death as the new commer has nothing to lose.

Second, Hyenas are out classed by other more modern predators. Even the wild dogs of Africa pwn them. They have a completely different biology than most mammals. Their skeletal structure is different (high shoulders and low hips). The pack (if you could call it that) is run by females with, well, penises. Males are subordinate. Strong and dangerous yes, but not a top predator.

As for the cougar, the only way it can pwn a bear would be if it was a female with cubs. That would make the cougar very aggressive and dangerous. Protecting its young against a bear would be the bears worst nitemare. She will not stop her assault until one of them fled or was dead. I have seen cougars take down a moose. They usually attack from above.

I also saw a bull Elk take on a black bear. They were both seriously injured. The elk later died and the bear was wounded badly and eventually died from infection. The elk charged at the bear and hit it right in the chest so hard that he lifted the bear off the ground. It was so nasty I stopped watching it.

Bah, to tell you the truth I don't really care what animal can kick what animal?s ass. In the end they all can get in ma belly.


My first experience with the cougar vs. bear argument came from watching a Tom Green episode (I'm sure some of you remember this) where his two cohorts argued for hours over who would win in a fight. A cougar or a bear. Around and round the two went coming up with various analogies and theories as to why their animal would win.

My next experience with the argument was my first "experiment" in instigating the argument between two of my own friends one drunken night. And to my utter glee the drunktards began yelling and came close to exchanging blows over the argument. Each convinced that their animal would "kick it's ass".

Over the years I've proceeded to bring up the "argument" whenever I saw the opportunity to. One was during thanksgiving with my family where there was an almost 50/50 split down the middle between "cougars vs. bears"; I believe the actual subject was Gorilla vs. Orangutan. Another instance I remember was at a bar and pool hall where again the discussion became so heated blows were almost exchanged. Of course I've changed the scenario often, Eagle vs. Falcon, Elephant vs. Rhinoceros, and Great White vs. Tiger. Always making sure to point out one is faster, but the other is stronger.

Unfortunately this time the argument didn?t get that heated, it's just the OP was talking about a Cougar and I couldn't help myself. The key I?ve found is alcohol is needed in order to keep the debate fueled.

Btw a hyena clan can totally kick a lion pride's ass any day!!!