Whatever you think about NASCAR..

[Tom]

Today's finish at Talledega was just incredible !

1st through 8th acroos the line 4 wide and 2 deep. at 200 mph. Winning margin was .002 seconds.

 

[todpod]

Was a good race

 

[JulesMaximus]

Must have happened on a restart from one of the many many yellows...

Thanks...but no thanks.

 

[simonizor]

The only lap worth watching is the last lap. The rest of the race is just waiting for someone to crash while watching them turn left over and over again.

Rally racing is where it's at. Going 80+ down a dirt path with jumps and turns requires much more driving skill than NASCAR. NASCAR is so much more predictable.

 

[punjabiplaya]

Must have happened on a restart from one of the many many yellows...

Thanks...but no thanks.

China showed that F1 is getting good again

 

[ThatsABigOne]

The only lap worth watching is the last lap. The rest of the race is just waiting for someone to crash while watching them turn left over and over again.

Rally racing is where it's at. Going 80+ down a dirt path with jumps and turns requires much more driving skill than NASCAR. NASCAR is so much more predictable.

This.

Not to mention cars are bumping each other and the car infront of the bunch is always twitching to sod off.D:

 

[Bartman39]

Today's finish at Talledega was just incredible !

1st through 8th acroos the line 4 wide and 2 deep. at 200 mph. Winning margin was .002 seconds.

Awesome finish...:thumbsup: BTW F1 drivers dont have the balls to make contact like that at over 200mph... Also I dont care for the pissed off bumble bee sound... So to each his own...

 

[JCH13]

Awesome finish...:thumbsup: BTW F1 drivers dont have the balls to make contact like that at over 200mph... Also I dont care for the pissed off bumble bee sound... So to each his own...

There's a big difference between two fenders making contact and two F1 tires making contact. One is a bit of a bump, the other launches cars into the air like they were nothing.

 

[cheezmunky]

There's a big difference between two fenders making contact and two F1 tires making contact. One is a bit of a bump, the other launches cars into the air like they were nothing.

agreed

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h2GizjKdYN4&t=8m22s

 

[JulesMaximus]

Awesome finish...:thumbsup: BTW F1 drivers dont have the balls to make contact like that at over 200mph... Also I dont care for the pissed off bumble bee sound... So to each his own...

You're right...pussies

 

[JeffreyLebowski]

The only lap worth watching is the last lap. The rest of the race is just waiting for someone to crash while watching them turn left over and over again.

Rally racing is where it's at. Going 80+ down a dirt path with jumps and turns requires much more driving skill than NASCAR. NASCAR is so much more predictable.

going 80 vs doing 200MPH is a HUGE difference.
The fact of the matter is NASCAR is at least 10x the size of the next largest racing circuit in the US.
Open wheelers go to NASCAR and even they will admit that NASCAR racing is a whole lot tougher than open wheel.
Getting bumped while doing 50MPH would cause any of us on this forum to have a pucker moment. Doing it at 200MPH take some serious balls.

 

[JCH13]

going 80 vs doing 200MPH is a HUGE difference.
The fact of the matter is NASCAR is at least 10x the size of the next largest racing circuit in the US.
Open wheelers go to NASCAR and even they will admit that NASCAR racing is a whole lot tougher than open wheel.
Getting bumped while doing 50MPH would cause any of us on this forum to have a pucker moment. Doing it at 200MPH take some serious balls.

It certainly does, no one is denying that. The consequences of such contact in F1 are just more severe so generally drivers try to avoid it.

No doubt the relative freedom to contact other cars allows NASCAR drivers to be more aggressive. That, coupled with the heavily regulated car design, makes NASCAR results depend much more on the driver than F1, where a great car makes a big difference.

 

[JeffreyLebowski]

It certainly does, no one is denying that. The consequences of such contact in F1 are just more severe so generally drivers try to avoid it.

No doubt the relative freedom to contact other cars allows NASCAR drivers to be more aggressive. That, coupled with the heavily regulated car design, makes NASCAR results depend much more on the driver than F1, where a great car makes a big difference.

I used to hate NASCAR, but my GF was into it. I don't make it a point to watch it, but if I've got nothing else to da, I'll watch it. I like watching the wrecks, and the finishes like yesterday are exciting. F1 and open wheel racing is boring as the team with the most money is usually way out ahead of everyone else and crosses the finish line uncontested.

 

[jme5343]

Would've been better of Gordon had one He seemed a little pissy, I didn't see that he even gave an interview, but I might have missed it.

 

[boomhower]

If Nascar is so backwards, predictable, and easy how come pretty much everyone that tries to come over fails? Montoya is the only one who has seen any success recently and it's taken him several years to get there. Yes, the technology used is old but it's advanced to a great degree. The amount of engineering that goes into a Cup car is massive. These guys just don't get the credit they deserve for the skill it takes to compete at the speeds they do in the large packs they do. They top cup guys are every bit as skilled as their counterparts in other forms of racing. A F1 guy can't jump to Cup and compete no more than a Cup guy can jump to F1 and compete.

 

[Tom]

There's a big difference between two fenders making contact and two F1 tires making contact. One is a bit of a bump, the other launches cars into the air like they were nothing.

I guess NASCAR drivers don't get airborne then ?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x7WMGgZiZT4

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RnBRgC_btW0&feature=related

 

[JCH13]

I guess NASCAR drivers don't get airborne then ?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x7WMGgZiZT4

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RnBRgC_btW0&feature=related

I never said they didn't, did I? It's not like i'm trying to trash on NASCAR at all.

With an open-wheeled F1 car that's designed to the utmost limits, small little contacts, especially wheel-to-wheel because they're not enclosed, can be disastrous.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MvtyClMqcAI

Flip to 0:21, two cars' lightly bump, and it completely destroy's their suspension. In NASCAR that would be a light bump, no big deal.

My point is just that small contacts in NASCAR are expected, without disastrous results. It's simply the nature of a conservatively designed fendered car. F1 drivers worry a lot more about contact because even slight damage to their car can ruin their race.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TumTPLIvY88&feature=related

0:30 in a car loses a wing, then biffs out the next turn. Very small damage = very bad day. NASCAR and F1 are just totally different animals.

 

[Skurge]

In f1 if you make contact, your race is over. personaly i think that if you cant make a clean pass, you dont deserve to race. Thats why i mainly watch F1 and MOTOGP, But if you like contact racing then WTCC and ausie V8 supercars are much more excitining imo. NASCAR might have close finishes, but i cnt get excited over people driving identical cars in circles. I dont see the skill involved in an overtake there.

 

[Bartman39]

In f1 if you make contact, your race is over. personaly i think that if you cant make a clean pass, you dont deserve to race. Thats why i mainly watch F1 and MOTOGP, But if you like contact racing then WTCC and ausie V8 supercars are much more excitining imo. NASCAR might have close finishes, but i cnt get excited over people driving identical cars in circles. I dont see the skill involved in an overtake there.

As I said to each his own... But with your last two sentences I`d like to see you try and perform that kind of skill... Every lap is different as is every turn and if you want a change of venue then give Sonoma or Watkins Glen a look see...

Hey F1 is cool no doubt very high tech but its not grass roots racing, which is what alot people want to see... Because of the limits placed on the race teams it comes down to mainly the driver and how well the crew chief and the crew perform according to how the track changes... Not only was the finish yesterday just plain awesome there were saves by Ryan Newman and Jeff Burton @ 200mph that few could have kept their BVD`s clean to finish the race... Wrecks happen & tempers flare but thats part of what makes Nascar one of the most watched sports in the USA and its from Coast to Coast for 36 weekends per year (plus the all out All-star race)... And the season opener the Daytona 500 which is the superbowl of Nascar is ran first which gets the blood pumping and is remembered all year long... Not many if any other sport has this...

 

[Tom]

I never said they didn't, did I? It's not like i'm trying to trash on NASCAR at all.

I was responding to this.. "One is a bit of a bump"

The dynamics of a crash are too complex to say that hitting fenders is safer than hitting tires. Indycars frequently touch tires, sometimes they launch, sometimes they dont.

In any case, safety has nothing to do with why the cars in F1 racing are hardly ever as close together as they routinely are in NASCAR.

And why is there even discussion of F1 and rallying in this thread ? Not directing it at you, but there's lots of people who feel like they have to attack NASCAR, and oval racing, in every thread about the subject, which is completely predictable and also incredibly stupid.

Consider turns in oval racing. Always criticized as being easy. Completely false. It takes just as much skill to negotiate every turn in an oval race correctly as it does to negotiate every turn in an F1 race correctly. The fact there's less variety of turns doesn't change that, it magnifies the importance of perfecting getting around the turns that are there.

 

[eBauer]

I'm a big fan of NASCAR, as well as pretty much every other type of racing out there. Great finish!

From a spectator standpoint, I find it more exciting watching NASCAR than F1 and MOTOGP. However, from a racer/track day enthusiast standpoint, nothing beats a road course when you're the one on the track.

 

[exar333]

Not a huge Nascar fan here, but it is pretty fun to watch the last couple laps when cars are actually 'racing' each other.

I agree though, it is just too boring to sit through 490 laps to watch the last couple what may be interesting. When the winner leads by more than a couple laps, I don't understand what the excitement is there, personally.

The idea of heavily regulating the cars to keep an open playing field is a great idea IMHO, but the circle track kills it for me. A level playing field on a real twisty track would be the best of both worlds. F1 is too dependant on the car for my tastes, and having the driver's skill be 95% of the competition would be awesome to watch.

 

[LTC8K6]

Well, on an oval, you are not shifting gears while negotiating the turn.

 

[Tom]

Well, on an oval, you are not shifting gears while negotiating the turn.

Shifting gears in F1 doesn't amount to much anymore.

When you DO shift gears in a NASCAR stock car, on starts, on road courses, sometimes on ovals(Pocono, New Hampshire),

You are actually doing it. No automatic clutch shifty paddles. No hold a button down to launch the car.

btw, I like F1, it used to be a lot more interesting though. There's WAY to many rules now.
Other than safety items, they should have 2 rules, engine displacement, and car weight.

 

[wirednuts]

nascar should be limited to 3/4 mile tracks at largest, and let the crews do unlimited engine and suspension mods. keep the cars the same for the aerodynamics and the safety, but let them run whatever they want under the hood. the 3/4 mile track wont allow them to use all the horsepower anyway, it would be mostly up to the DRIVERS to win races. and there would be a lot more pushin and shovin, as nascar should be. also, NO GOD DAMN RESTRICTER PLATES