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aigomorla

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Here's one...

http://www.hardforum.com/showthread.php?t=1417235

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Want me to link the thread where i made my friend cry who was on the 2.4ghz gulftown x 2?

And sorry u guys can Fan all you want about AMD.
Upper tier Intel RAPES AMD PERIOD.

Shall i bring out CB benchmarks? Or how about Wprime?
WCG even?

Every aspect my gulftown tears shanghai a new one...

Why cant you guys just accept it? Its fact.

All this fanboy-ism with utter disregard for all the variables bugs me. With my budget this time around and needing 4 cores, i was only allowed an AMD solution.

There IS NO FANBOYISM.

AMD is JUST SLOW compared to intel..
You guys who keep trying to feed the underdog is doing all the fanboyism.

Intel isnt for everyone... its EXPENSIVE as hell too, but guess what, ITS FASTER.
Thats all there is...

And you're overclocking a server why?

*edit* aww, hyperlite beat me to it...

uhhh because we can... unlike AMD.

Once again...
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This isnt a 600+ dollar board for no reason.
Count guys... 12 Ram slots, 2 CPU sockets... total package 2 gulftowns = 12C/24T + Classified Overclocking.

Want to compete against intel now?

Once again were not talking about the word Budget.
Were talking fullblown TOP vs TOP.
 
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Hyperlite

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So aigo, you just dodged the main point of my post because.....????

We can see your fancy mobo, and no one cares. Why do you feel the need to throw dollar amounts around? I'm not sure what you're trying to accomplish. All you've proven thus far is the ability to OC one platform beyond...a platform that doesn't exist yet? That's solid as a mud puddle! Do you want a cookie?
 
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dguy6789

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Even if Gulftown was clocked 1.5x higher than the Magny Cours, the AMD solution would still beat it in a highly threaded application. Gulftown would have to be clocked significantly higher(read: ~1.75x the clock speed) to make up for the huge difference in core count.

It works like this:

If both processors are the same clock speed, this would roughly be their total compute power comparatively. Saying that Gulftown is 30% faster clock for clock than Magny Cours in all situations is quite generous as well. It's much less than that in numerous applications.

Magny Cours = 12x1 = 12
Gulftown = 6x1.3 = 7.8

If you wanted, we could have the Gulftown be 50% higher clocked than the Magny Cours.

Gulftown @ 1.5 times the clock speed of the Magny Cours = 6x1.3x1.5 = 11.7

It's still slower than the stock Magny Cours.

Stock must be compared to stock. If you're overclocking one in the comparsion, you must overclock the other. You can't overclock the Gulftown and say it owns the Magny Cours without seeing how far the Magny Cours can overclock as well. As for using two Gulftowns, you can just use two Magny Cours.

A Hexacore Phenom II would be faster than a Core i7 Nehalem in highly threaded applications and that's only a 50% increase in cores over the Intel architecture. Magny Cores is a 100% increase in core count over the Gulftown.
 
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ShawnD1

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I have a Phenom II from some 18 months ago.... I don't think there's anything faster (from amd) than the first batch of Phnom II's! am I right about this or not? It doesn't seem like amd's done anything except for backpedal with Athlon II's. I haven't really kept up, but am I correct or what?

Intel's i7 came out around October 2008 and they still haven't made anything better. Intel's engineers should kill themselves :p
 

Cogman

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Here's one...

http://www.hardforum.com/showthread.php?t=1417235

Want me to link the thread where i made my friend cry who was on the 2.4ghz gulftown x 2?

And sorry u guys can Fan all you want about AMD.
Upper tier Intel RAPES AMD PERIOD.

Shall i bring out CB benchmarks? Or how about Wprime?
WCG even?

Every aspect my gulftown tears shanghai a new one...

Why cant you guys just accept it? Its fact.



There IS NO FANBOYISM.

AMD is JUST SLOW compared to intel..
You guys who keep trying to feed the underdog is doing all the fanboyism.

Intel isnt for everyone... its EXPENSIVE as hell too, but guess what, ITS FASTER.
Thats all there is...



uhhh because we can... unlike AMD.

Once again...
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This isnt a 600+ dollar board for no reason.
Count guys... 12 Ram slots, 2 CPU sockets... total package 2 gulftowns = 12C/24T + Classified Overclocking.

Want to compete against intel now?

Once again were not talking about the word Budget.
Were talking fullblown TOP vs TOP.
And you just so happen to have a bulldozer in your hands, right now, to make these claims? You benchmark proved only that intels current generation of CPU's is faster then AMD's current generation of CPUs. I don't think anyone is trying to dispute that (they shouldn't be).

You'll have to show me the reviews that shows an i7 beating a dual socket AMD processor, I haven't been able to find one.


[edit] Just clicked on your link and BWHAHAHAHAHA, those are charts of an OVERCLOCKED i7 vs a stock opteron... Um yeah.[/edit]
 

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Intel's i7 came out around October 2008 and they still haven't made anything better. Intel's engineers should kill themselves :p

Yeah! All of a sudden they have obtained the inability to produce a competitive product, so they will be releasing the P4 on 32nm and they'll call it Pentium 4 II...just to match AMD's way of doing things.

:)
 

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HT is a hardware solution to a software problem - the problem being the inability to fully optimize the code. Sometimes there is no time to do this, no knowledge, no easy way, and especially in the desktop space, no need (i.e do you care how optimized Windows Notepad is?)

As the code is more and more optimized, particularly in "number crunching" apps, HT becomes less of a benefit (compared to a real core) until the only gain you see if from the extra registers that help to eliminate some stack usage. In other words, with perfectly optimized code a 4c/8t CPU will only receive the slightest benefit over a 4c/4t CPU. We can also take this the other way - if you are seeing a 100% increase in performance with a 4c/8t CPU over 4c/4t one, then that code is extremely poorly written and/or the problem does not lend itself to optimization very well. These are extreme examples, and empirically we see HT providing about %15-30% benefit.

The desktop space and server space is very different when it comes to the apps being run and system demands. Most server apps have been around a while, have been multi-threaded for a while, are very well optimized, and when they aren't input constrained they tend to load up the CPU cores very nicely. In such cases, HT is less of a benefit.

That's not to say Intel server CPUs suck or don't compete or AMD is better, but the benefit of HT is going to come down to pricing, usage scenarios, and the types of apps being run on it. On the desktop space, we like HT because it's a cheap way to increase performance. In the server space, if the load sees little benefit from HT, then it will see a big increase from more real cores (because the code is well optimized and leaves little CPU time left for the virtual cores). If it sees a lot of benefit from HT, then those extra real cores will provide the same benefit.
 
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Cogman

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Holy crap with the HT love.

HT is a hardware solution to a software problem - the problem being the inability to fully optimize the code. Sometimes there is no time to do this, no knowledge, no easy way, and especially in the desktop space, no need (i.e do you care how optimized Windows Notepad is?)

As the code is more and more optimized, particularly in "number crunching" apps, HT becomes less of a benefit (compared to a real core) until the only gain you see if from the extra registers that help to eliminate some stack usage. In other words, with perfectly optimized code a 4c/8t CPU will only receive the slightest benefit over a 4c/4t CPU. We can also take this the other way - if you are seeing a 100% increase in performance with a 4c/8t CPU over 4c/4t one, then that code is extremely poorly written and/or the problem does not lend itself to optimization very well. These are extreme examples, and empirically we see HT providing about %15-30% benefit.

The desktop space and server space is very different when it comes to the apps being run and system demands. Most server apps have been around a while, have been multi-threaded for a while, are very well optimized, and when they aren't input constrained they tend to load up the CPU cores very nicely. In such cases, HT is less of a benefit.

That's not to say Intel server CPUs suck or don't compete, but the benefit of HT is going to come down to pricing, usage scenarios, and the types of apps being run on it. On the desktop space, we like HT because it's a cheap way to increase performance. In the server space, if the load sees little benefit from HT, then it will see a big increase from more real cores (because the code is well optimized and leaves little CPU time left for the virtual cores). If it sees a lot of benefit from HT, then those extra real cores will provide the same benefit.
Um, wow, you've really don't have a clue what HT is do you.

HT does NOT magically make applications run faster (in fact, it will make single threaded applications SLOWER). HT is a way to more efficiently use the CPU, it is not some magic software optimizer. If your program is not multithreaded it will see NO benefits from turning on HT (and even some Multithreaded applications do see too much performance increase from HT).

Again, let me repeat that. HT does NOT make single threaded applications faster, at all. Applications MUST be multithreaded to see any sort of speed boost as a result of HT. HT is engineers saying "Hey, a lot of the CPU is sitting idle, lets try to put it to work and report that we have one extra core available". (yes yes, it isn't THAT simple, but that is the reasoning behind it.)
 

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Um, wow, you've really don't have a clue what HT is do you.

HT does NOT magically make applications run faster (in fact, it will make single threaded applications SLOWER). HT is a way to more efficiently use the CPU, it is not some magic software optimizer. If your program is not multithreaded it will see NO benefits from turning on HT (and even some Multithreaded applications do see too much performance increase from HT).

Again, let me repeat that. HT does NOT make single threaded applications faster, at all. Applications MUST be multithreaded to see any sort of speed boost as a result of HT. HT is engineers saying "Hey, a lot of the CPU is sitting idle, lets try to put it to work and report that we have one extra core available". (yes yes, it isn't THAT simple, but that is the reasoning behind it.)

You completely, utterly, and totally missed the point of his post. Read it again. And HT isn't free performance, as you seem to imply. it has to be factored into the TDP envelope. Jovec is dead on regarding code optimization.
 
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Cogman

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You completely, utterly, and totally missed the point of his post. Read it again. And HT isn't free performance, as you seem to imply. it has to be factored into the TDP envelope. Jovec is dead on regarding code optimization.
His post was totally and utterly wrong. Everything he said about HT is wrong.

And I never said it was a free gain. It is an attempt to increase the amount of data the CPU can process (like most hardware optimizations).

HT will NOT make unoptimized code work faster (unless it is unoptimized and multithreaded, but it will also make mutlithreaded and optimized code work faster.) It has nothing to do with code optimizations.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hyper-threading

Please read up about what hyper threading is before spouting BS about it.
 
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ShawnD1

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Yeah! All of a sudden they have obtained the inability to produce a competitive product, so they will be releasing the P4 on 32nm and they'll call it Pentium 4 II...just to match AMD's way of doing things.

:)

Actually, that is what they did. They released the flagship socket 1366 then they released the slightly slower socket 1156 months later. Now they're going backward even further by releasing new dual core 32nm processors. As seen in Anand's review of this new dual core, we see that it's about as fast as the Q6600 which was released literally 3 years ago.

Progress! :thumbsup:

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The new Atom is still slower than the 1.6GHz Celeron laptop I bought for $600 almost 3 years ago. Grats on that too, Intel.
 

Hyperlite

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Actually, that is what they did. They released the flagship socket 1366 then they released the slightly slower socket 1156 months later. Now they're going backward even further by releasing new dual core 32nm processors. As seen in Anand's review of this new dual core, we see that it's about as fast as the Q6600 which was released literally 3 years ago.

Progress! :thumbsup:

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The new Atom is still slower than the 1.6GHz Celeron laptop I bought for $600 almost 3 years ago. Grats on that too, Intel.

BUT.

How much did a Q6600 cost compared to that 32nm processor? :)
 

Jovec

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His post was totally and utterly wrong. Everything he said about HT is wrong.

And I never said it was a free gain. It is an attempt to increase the amount of data the CPU can process (like most hardware optimizations).

HT will NOT make unoptimized code work faster (unless it is unoptimized and multithreaded, but it will also make mutlithreaded and optimized code work faster.) It has nothing to do with code optimizations.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hyper-threading

Please read up about what hyper threading is before spouting BS about it.

HT attempts to fill unused cycles in the pipelines of the execution engines. When a thread runs, it's very hard to keep them busy every CPU cycle. HT adds extra registers and other bits of logic to allow a second thread to make use of those otherwise unused cycles.

For most general purpose code, not much concern is given to optimization because it runs fast enough without out. For certain applications though, proper optimization increases the number of cycles the ALU/FPU can be busy doing work on the main/real thread (and thus decreases the number of "unused" ALU/FPU cycles), meaning there are less unused cycles for the HT/virtual thread. Of course it's very hard, if not impossible, to make sure that the ALU/FPU is doing something for the main/real thread every cycle, but for apps that run 24/7 and/or do heavy, time intensive crunching, you can be sure that time is spent on it because the gains are large (compared to say, how much you'll gain by optimization trivial threads or apps). The closer an app comes to 100% ALU/FPU utilization, the less the benefit of HT is, but since 100% is impossible to reach, there will always be some benefit to having HT.

If we assume a given thread is at 80% efficiency, then whatever the difference is from %100 (20%), plus whatever benefits from the extra registers and other HT logic (a few percent at best), is the gain you'll see from HT when running two of those threads simultaneously. If we can optimize this thread to 90%, then the HT gains become smaller. Conversely an app that's 70% efficient sees a larger benefit from HT because there are more free cycles to run the HT thread.

While it's not directly comparable, check out AT Bench between the i5 750 and i7 920, especially the CPU heavy encoding results for examples of how much HT is, or isn't, a benefit depending on the code being run.

Cogman said:
HT will NOT make unoptimized code work faster (unless it is unoptimized and multithreaded, but it will also make mutlithreaded and optimized code work faster.) It has nothing to do with code optimizations.

HT's effectiveness does have to do with the code it's running, because that code is the largest factor in determining how much CPU is left available for HT threads. And as for making code work faster: If it's mutli-threaded code, then HT helps is run faster. If it's a single thread, then HT helps to run the hundreds of normal OS/App threads which can free up CPU cycles for the main thread. Outside of the early XP days when the OS didn't know the difference between virtual and real cores and you could stall the pipeline (or trying for a max overclock I suppose), HT is always good. It gives you more performance. Often times, that performance can even be perceived by the user to rival real cores when you factor in user input, HDD access, etc. With a large enough IPC and clock speed gap, HT can rival real cores even with highly optimized code (bench the i3 530 and Athlon x4 620).

I'm sure AMD wishes it had HT technology on it's low/mid consumer chips. I'm equally sure they aren't too worried about HT in a server CPU if they can keep the IPC and clocks close while having more real cores.
 
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VirtualLarry

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And sorry u guys can Fan all you want about AMD.
Upper tier Intel RAPES AMD PERIOD.

Shall i bring out CB benchmarks? Or how about Wprime?
WCG even?

Every aspect my gulftown tears shanghai a new one...

Why cant you guys just accept it? Its fact.

There IS NO FANBOYISM.

AMD is JUST SLOW compared to intel..
You guys who keep trying to feed the underdog is doing all the fanboyism.
And how many of those apps use the Intel complier, Aigo? Perhaps Intel's apparent superiority is not as great as you think.
 

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If it's a single thread, then HT helps to run the hundreds of normal OS/App threads which can free up CPU cycles for the main thread.
Right, because applications don't run in a vaccuum. Even if every process is single-threaded, the OS will benefit from HT if it has more processes than processors -- a virtual certainty for any modern system.
 

Cogman

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HT attempts to fill unused cycles in the pipelines of the execution engines. When a thread runs, it's very hard to keep them busy every CPU cycle. HT adds extra registers and other bits of logic to allow a second thread to make use of those otherwise unused cycles.
True enough, HT does provide an extra set of registers (though, they are unavailable to the programmers). However, it isn't really about unused clock cycles.

For most general purpose code, not much concern is given to optimization because it runs fast enough without out. For certain applications though, proper optimization increases the number of cycles the ALU/FPU can be busy doing work on the main/real thread (and thus decreases the number of "unused" ALU/FPU cycles), meaning there are less unused cycles for the HT/virtual thread. Of course it's very hard, if not impossible, to make sure that the ALU/FPU is doing something for the main/real thread every cycle, but for apps that run 24/7 and/or do heavy, time intensive crunching, you can be sure that time is spent on it because the gains are large (compared to say, how much you'll gain by optimization trivial threads or apps). The closer an app comes to 100% ALU/FPU utilization, the less the benefit of HT is, but since 100% is impossible to reach, there will always be some benefit to having HT.
A well optimized program doesn't try to utilize every part of the CPU. Thats just plain dumb. A lot of instructions are worthless for many applications. For example, the MMX instruction set. There is pretty much no point to writing an optimized program for MMX instructions, so the MMX registers basically sit around, unused. (HT doesn't make those registers/processing units get used either, you have to program to use them.). But there is more to it then that. What if you just use the ADD instruction? What about MUL and DIV, might they be used as well? The answer is, yes, they could be used. Or even further, what if your app is waiting on a cache miss or branch prediction? Could the CPU be doing something else? The answer is yes. None of those situations are the fault of a poorly written program, but each could give benefit to a threaded program.

If we assume a given thread is at 80% efficiency, then whatever the difference is from %100 (20%), plus whatever benefits from the extra registers and other HT logic (a few percent at best), is the gain you'll see from HT when running two of those threads simultaneously. If we can optimize this thread to 90%, then the HT gains become smaller. Conversely an app that's 70% efficient sees a larger benefit from HT because there are more free cycles to run the HT thread.
don't look at windows reported utilization of CPU as a measurement of efficiency. It isn't.

While it's not directly comparable, check out AT Bench between the i5 750 and i7 920, especially the CPU heavy encoding results for examples of how much HT is, or isn't, a benefit depending on the code being run.
Great example, look at the x264 encoding review. x264 is HIGHLY optimized, yet look at how the i920 compares to the i870. Even though the i870 is clocked higher then i920, the i920 is nearly the same in encoding speed. The big difference between the two is hyperthreading. A perfect example of a highly threaded application taking advantage of intel's hyperthreading.


HT's effectiveness does have to do with the code it's running, because that code is the largest factor in determining how much CPU is left available for HT threads. And as for making code work faster: If it's mutli-threaded code, then HT helps is run faster. If it's a single thread, then HT helps to run the hundreds of normal OS/App threads which can free up CPU cycles for the main thread.
This is just babble. Unfortunately I have to turn back to the P4 era when HT was something you could turn off, but here

http://www.neoseeker.com/Articles/Hardware/Reviews/intel306/6.html

Back in those days, pretty much all applications where single threaded. If you look at all the benchmarks, with and without HT, you'll notice that at best they perform the same and at worse HT will lose a little. Which is why I said, hyperthreading only helps multithreaded apps.

Outside of the early XP days when the OS didn't know the difference between virtual and real cores and you could stall the pipeline (or trying for a max overclock I suppose),
Um, yeah, the OS has no idea what your program is doing. It doesn't scan it or anything, it only schedules it for a spot to run and runs it (this is true of pretty much every multithread supporting OS from 95 to win 7). The CPU is doing the grunt work and saying "Hey, I'm waiting here, I'll start working on that other threads stuff". That is what HT is about, the CPU working on different threads when one thread stalls.

HT is always good. It gives you more performance. Often times, that performance can even be perceived by the user to rival real cores when you factor in user input, HDD access, etc. With a large enough IPC and clock speed gap, HT can rival real cores even with highly optimized code (bench the i3 530 and Athlon x4 620).
So, now you are saying that HT actually helps with optimized code (as I was saying).

Either way, as I posted above, HT is NOT always good, it does come at a small penalty. And in the day of multicored CPU's, its benefits are mitigated to the areas of highly threaded apps only.

I'm sure AMD wishes it had HT technology on it's low/mid consumer chips. I'm equally sure they aren't too worried about HT in a server CPU if they can keep the IPC and clocks close while having more real cores.
True enough. I don't know how AMD's architecture would fair with HT. (From some of the bulldozer slides, its speculated that they might be sporting a HT clone, who knows.)

It should be noted, However, that IPC is a somewhat worthless measurement of performance. SIMD instructions are excellent examples proving that.
 

Cogman

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Right, because applications don't run in a vaccuum. Even if every process is single-threaded, the OS will benefit from HT if it has more processes than processors -- a virtual certainty for any modern system.
True enough, the problem is we live in a world of multiple cores. Past 2 the benefits of "responsiveness" drop off pretty sharply. When you have 4 cores, there is pretty much no responsiveness difference when you put HT on those cores. The only benefit you'll see is in applications that are multithreaded and utilizing each of those threads.
 

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Everyone says "Oh my god AMD isn't keeping up," but when it comes down to it, unless you're doing some insane computing, the performance that Intel is boosting isn't worth the extra $300+ that they want for their chips. AMD is playing the market right now. Not everyone can afford a CPU that costs as much as entire AMD build. For $989 you can either have just a CPU or you could pretty much build a top end AMD machine. Does that $989 Intel chip give you $810 worth of performance over the $179 AMD chip? I think not.

It's pretty much about bragging rights at the moment. Hay look guyz i spend $4k on my komputer n it kan do all deez kool benchmarkz, n when i play gamez i get 10 more fps than u cuz i pwn u!
 
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Cogman

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Everyone says "Oh my god AMD isn't keeping up," but when it comes down to it, unless you're doing some insane computing, the performance that Intel is boosting isn't worth the extra $300+ that they want for their chips. AMD is playing the market right now. Not everyone can afford a CPU that costs as much as entire AMD build. For $989 you can either have just a CPU or you could pretty much build a top end AMD machine. Does that $989 Intel chip give you $810 worth of performance over the $179 AMD chip? I think not.

It's pretty much about bragging rights at the moment. Hay look guyz i spend $4k on my komputer n it kan do all deez kool benchmarkz, n when i play gamez i get 10 more fps than u cuz i pwn u!
AMD isn't keeping up. How does the phenom II compare to the i7? It doesn't. It barely keeps up with the C2D/Q. Thats a bad thing, it basically means that Intel doesn't have a reason to do R&D. Why create something faster then todays CPU's when nobody can compete with you?

I really hope that AMD pulls their act together, but it isn't likely that they will any time soon.
 

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It's pretty much about bragging rights at the moment. Hay look guyz i spend $4k on my komputer n it kan do all deez kool benchmarkz, n when i play gamez i get 10 more fps than u cuz i pwn u!
The people posting in Video Cards are never seen in PC Gaming. It's hilarious :awe:

AMD is where they've always been - slightly shittier for slightly less money. They also consume a lot more power. Even at stock speeds, my Athlon 1700+ was hot as hell. It had this giant Thermaltake heatsink and it was loud as a jet engine. Athlon 2500+, same thing. I ran OCCT Linpack on my friend's Athlon 6000+ and the test software automatically shut down when the CPU reached 85 degrees. My Phenom 9600 hits a wall at 2.6GHz and it consumes more power than the international space station.

Phenom II and Athlon II seems like the first major advancement they've had in many years. The Athlon II X4 system I built can be undervolted like crazy and runs at less than 40 degrees during Linpack testing with a stock cooler. Absolutely amazing.
 

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AMD isn't keeping up. How does the phenom II compare to the i7? It doesn't. It barely keeps up with the C2D/Q. Thats a bad thing, it basically means that Intel doesn't have a reason to do R&D. Why create something faster then todays CPU's when nobody can compete with you?

I really hope that AMD pulls their act together, but it isn't likely that they will any time soon.

AMD doesn't have any high end products, in the consumer market. That said, we all know they are competitive at respective price points of their offerings.

Phenom II 965 = $180
i5 750 = $190

http://www.anandtech.com/bench/default.aspx?p=102&p2=109&c=1

Phenom- 24 wins
i5- 20 wins

and please, sweet jesus, do not bring up OCing. Companies don't base their processor prices around OC abilities. Even then, with the newer stepping denab's not having a problem with the 4ghz wall, it competes even better against its similarly priced intel offering. Just sayin ;)
 
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grimpr

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Aigo, you're an ardent overclocking veteran, noone doubts that. But to make big proclaims as to what the Server market and its people should or shouldnt do based on your experience, excuse me, but you're not qualified for that, neither almost all of us. We all know that soon Beckton will be released and smash your Gulfie and AMDs MC into oblivion, so what?
 

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Great example, look at the x264 encoding review. x264 is HIGHLY optimized, yet look at how the i920 compares to the i870. Even though the i870 is clocked higher then i920, the i920 is nearly the same in encoding speed. The big difference between the two is hyperthreading. A perfect example of a highly threaded application taking advantage of intel's hyperthreading.

While I'm sure its a typo one way or another, just trying to keep facts strait here...

The i870 has HTT, which makes me think you were referring to the i750. The 920 has a triple channel IMC which no longer makes this a HTT vs no HTT compairison