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[her209]

Originally posted by: CADkindaGUY

Originally posted by: her209
Like the tax cut$, thi$ war will really only benefit the people at the top.

Well, since the tax-cuts didn't ONLY benefit the people at the top can we just assume that your other assertion is wrong too?

CkG

Thanks for skewing my words.

 

[her209]

Originally posted by: CADkindaGUY

Originally posted by: her209

Originally posted by: CADkindaGUY

Originally posted by: DealMonkey
Well, from perusing the "Glenn Beck Program - Rally for America" web site - it certainly LOOKS like a pro-war rally. Duck test, remember?

I'll betcha those in attendance were overwhelmingly in favor of the war. Many of the stories on the page I reference above, include anecdotes about anti-war protesters showing up and promptly being arrested or forced to leave. Maybe your particular rally was a bastion of free-thinking on the subject, but it doesn't look that way elsewhere.

The overwhelming message of these rallies seem to be: Those anti-war protestors are out there in droves, we better organize and make sure our message is heard too. So, yes Cad, the rallies are coming off as a pro-war demonstration to countermand the anti-war sentiment here and abroad.

Nope. The rally was for the Troops.

CkG

Hahaha, do you realize how ignorant that statement is?

Nope, not ignorant at all - because I attended it. Now who is ignorant?

CkG

Wow... do you think your deserve a medal for that? To say that anti-war people are anti-troops is ignorant.

 

[her209]

Originally posted by: CADkindaGUY

Originally posted by: her209

Originally posted by: CADkindaGUY

Originally posted by: DealMonkey
Well, from perusing the "Glenn Beck Program - Rally for America" web site - it certainly LOOKS like a pro-war rally. Duck test, remember?

I'll betcha those in attendance were overwhelmingly in favor of the war. Many of the stories on the page I reference above, include anecdotes about anti-war protesters showing up and promptly being arrested or forced to leave. Maybe your particular rally was a bastion of free-thinking on the subject, but it doesn't look that way elsewhere.

The overwhelming message of these rallies seem to be: Those anti-war protestors are out there in droves, we better organize and make sure our message is heard too. So, yes Cad, the rallies are coming off as a pro-war demonstration to countermand the anti-war sentiment here and abroad.

Nope. The rally was for the Troops.

CkG

Hahaha, do you realize how ignorant that statement is?

Nope, not ignorant at all - because I attended it. Now who is ignorant?

CkG

Wow... do you think your deserve a medal for that? To say that anti-war people are anti-troops is ignorant.

 

[CADsortaGUY]

Originally posted by: her209

Originally posted by: CADkindaGUY

Originally posted by: her209
Like the tax cut$, thi$ war will really only benefit the people at the top.

Well, since the tax-cuts didn't ONLY benefit the people at the top can we just assume that your other assertion is wrong too?

CkG

Thanks for skewing my words.

Did you not say that they really only benefit the people at the top? I'm not sure how you think I "skewed" your words when I quoted you
But anyway - are you ready to admit that Bush's tax cuts actually did benefit lower and middle class folks? Seems to me that $2200 is a pretty good amount of cash when you make $70K, is it not?

CkG

 

[CADsortaGUY]

Originally posted by: her209

Originally posted by: CADkindaGUY

Originally posted by: her209

Originally posted by: CADkindaGUY

Originally posted by: DealMonkey
Well, from perusing the "Glenn Beck Program - Rally for America" web site - it certainly LOOKS like a pro-war rally. Duck test, remember?

I'll betcha those in attendance were overwhelmingly in favor of the war. Many of the stories on the page I reference above, include anecdotes about anti-war protesters showing up and promptly being arrested or forced to leave. Maybe your particular rally was a bastion of free-thinking on the subject, but it doesn't look that way elsewhere.

The overwhelming message of these rallies seem to be: Those anti-war protestors are out there in droves, we better organize and make sure our message is heard too. So, yes Cad, the rallies are coming off as a pro-war demonstration to countermand the anti-war sentiment here and abroad.

Nope. The rally was for the Troops.

CkG

Hahaha, do you realize how ignorant that statement is?

Nope, not ignorant at all - because I attended it. Now who is ignorant?

CkG

Wow... do you think your deserve a medal for that? To say that anti-war people are anti-troops is ignorant.

I don't think ANYONE can extrapolate my words into meaning what you are claiming. Maybe you should quit before you get too deep.

Did you miss the part where I said I spoke to some people who were anti-war....and were attending the "Rally for America"? Hmm....

CkG

 

[DealMonkey]

Originally posted by: CADkindaGUY

Originally posted by: her209

Originally posted by: CADkindaGUY

Originally posted by: her209
Like the tax cut$, thi$ war will really only benefit the people at the top.

Well, since the tax-cuts didn't ONLY benefit the people at the top can we just assume that your other assertion is wrong too?

CkG

Thanks for skewing my words.

Did you not say that they really only benefit the people at the top? I'm not sure how you think I "skewed" your words when I quoted you
But anyway - are you ready to admit that Bush's tax cuts actually did benefit lower and middle class folks? Seems to me that $2200 is a pretty good amount of cash when you make $70K, is it not?

CkG

Oh man, now you're quoting John Kerry? Wow. Well, there you go again. One thing's for sure, I certainly wouldn't consider a couple making $70K/yr to be lower class. Maybe upper middle class. Depends where they live. $70K in SoCal doesn't go as far as it does in Iowa.

 

[CADsortaGUY]

Originally posted by: DealMonkey
Oh man, now you're quoting John Kerry? Wow. Well, there you go again. One thing's for sure, I certainly wouldn't consider a couple making $70K/yr to be lower class. Maybe upper middle class. Depends where they live. $70K in SoCal doesn't go as far as it does in Iowa.

Umm...let me tell you that $70K still doesn't go very far even here in Iowa Definately not upper - but maybe Mid-Middle.

Hey - I didn't tell Kerry to say what he said I was just as shocked as everyone else!:Q But I'm more than happy to use it...because we all know how many believed it when Bush and the rest of us said it

CkG

 

[ProviaFan]

Originally posted by: DealMonkey
Oh man, now you're quoting John Kerry? Wow. Well, there you go again. One thing's for sure, I certainly wouldn't consider a couple making $70K/yr to be lower class. Maybe upper middle class. Depends where they live. $70K in SoCal doesn't go as far as it does in Iowa.

Hmm, I would be inclined to think that $70K/yr almost approaches upper class. From where I live, it seems that $20-30K/yr is lower class, and somewhat above that is middle class. Hey, there doesn't happen to be an official chart that defines the classes based on amount of income somewhere, perhaps?

Oh, and concerning the more-on-topic topic of the thread now, although I might not agree with the way some things have been handled concerning the war, I still support the troops. To me, this does not make me totally pro-war, and I am definitely not anti-war. Taking either position does not render a person patriotic or unpatriotic. On a related note, in my humble opinion, neither someone who blindly follows their country's leaders, nor someone who blindly follows those who oppose their country's leaders, can be considered patriotic.

 

[beyoku]

Originally posted by: CADkindaGUY

Originally posted by: DealMonkey
Oh man, now you're quoting John Kerry? Wow. Well, there you go again. One thing's for sure, I certainly wouldn't consider a couple making $70K/yr to be lower class. Maybe upper middle class. Depends where they live. $70K in SoCal doesn't go as far as it does in Iowa.

Umm...let me tell you that $70K still doesn't go very far even here in Iowa Definately not upper - but maybe Mid-Middle.

Hey - I didn't tell Kerry to say what he said I was just as shocked as everyone else!:Q But I'm more than happy to use it...because we all know how many believed it when Bush and the rest of us said it

CkG

Sorry buddy, 70k goes very far in iowa. Im from minnesota and i have been there may times. You can do a lot with 70k.

 

[CADsortaGUY]

Originally posted by: beyoku

Originally posted by: CADkindaGUY

Originally posted by: DealMonkey
Oh man, now you're quoting John Kerry? Wow. Well, there you go again. One thing's for sure, I certainly wouldn't consider a couple making $70K/yr to be lower class. Maybe upper middle class. Depends where they live. $70K in SoCal doesn't go as far as it does in Iowa.

Umm...let me tell you that $70K still doesn't go very far even here in Iowa Definately not upper - but maybe Mid-Middle.

Hey - I didn't tell Kerry to say what he said I was just as shocked as everyone else!:Q But I'm more than happy to use it...because we all know how many believed it when Bush and the rest of us said it

CkG

Sorry buddy, 70k goes very far in iowa. Im from minnesota and i have been there may times. You can do a lot with 70k.

Sorry buddy, but I LIVE in Iowa and my household income is between $60-70K. Let me tell you, after rent/mortgage, daycare, etc. it still doesn't get you a whole lot. Ofcourse I live and work near DesMoines so the cost of living is just a tad higher but so are the wages. In the middle of bumblefsck Minn, wisc, Iowa, or the Dakota's $70K is decent for a household but not even close to being upper class. Kerry was talking about a family - not a DINK household, and I'm not a DINK household. Let me tell you that the ~$2200 does mean alot to people who you seem to think are somehow "rich".
Now don't get me wrong - I'm not saying it's poor by any strech of the imagination, but it solidly middle class.

CkG

 

[DealMonkey]

Originally posted by: CADkindaGUY
Sorry buddy, but I LIVE in Iowa and my household income is between $60-70K. Let me tell you, after rent/mortgage, daycare, etc. it still doesn't get you a whole lot. Ofcourse I live and work near DesMoines so the cost of living is just a tad higher but so are the wages. In the middle of bumblefsck Minn, wisc, Iowa, or the Dakota's $70K is decent for a household but not even close to being upper class. Kerry was talking about a family - not a DINK household, and I'm not a DINK household. Let me tell you that the ~$2200 does mean alot to people who you seem to think are somehow "rich".
Now don't get me wrong - I'm not saying it's poor by any strech of the imagination, but it solidly middle class.

CkG

You almost forgot to mention your crack habit. That probably eats up a lot of your disposable income not to mention accounts for some of your posts around here. But really, Cad, you shouldn't play the class warfare game, 'cause you're like school on Sundays. No class. Ah ha ha ha ha ha. Ahem.

 

[cumhail]

Using my own town, which I'll decline to identify beyond saying that it is in the NYC Metro area (just plug in some various towns you know and get your own numbers to test it, as my declining to name my town puts the results somewhat at question), and yours (Ankeny, IA, according to your profile) as a comparison, I used the salary calculator at Realtor.com (which is also used at other sites, such as salary.com, homestore.com, monster.com, etc.) to see how much they believe I would have to make, if I were to move from Ankeny to my current town, if I wanted to live at the same level and purchase and/or rent comparable property. Noting that this gives me, at best, only a general idea of the relative costs of living in each location and depends upon the accuracy of the tools being used, I decided to take a look.

According to their calculator, if I were planning to own, I would have to make $125,024 in my current town to live at the same level as I did making the $70,000 in Ankeny, IA. If I planned to rent, the number came down a little, requiring that I make $119,497 in the NYC Metro Area town I now live in to live comparably to how I would have in Ankeny, IA. Then, going the other way around, to see how much someone making $70,000 in my current town would have to make to live at a comparable level of comfort if he were to move to Ankeny, I got the numbers of $39,192 as a buyer or $41,005 as a renter.

Now the numbers this tool may or may not be accurate... I don't know. I've never been to Ankeny and haven't the slightest idea as to how much the numbers this tool generates reflect real life. The site that hosts it (and seems to license it to others) calls itself the National Association of Realtors, and their about us page can be found at:
http://www.realtor.org/rodesign.nsf/pages/aboutus

But I was curious to see just how far $70k could get someone where you are in Iowa, and this seemed like as good a tool as any to find out. Here in my area, by the way, $70k/year, for a family of 3, would be middle-middle class, while $120k/year, for a family of 3, would get you up into upper-middle class territory. So if you're making $70k/year in Ankeny, IA, most would say that you're doing quite well... and more power to you, as there's no reason you should not be able to make a good living, regardless of where you live.

Besides... different people have different needs, expenses, and views of how much they think they should be making to be considered lower-middle, or upper-middle class, among others. Bill O'Reilly, after all, though that growing up in Westbury, Long Island, NY (of which there is no Levittown section, by the way) meant his family as among the working poor.

cumhail

Originally posted by: CADkindaGUY

Sorry buddy, but I LIVE in Iowa and my household income is between $60-70K. Let me tell you, after rent/mortgage, daycare, etc. it still doesn't get you a whole lot. Ofcourse I live and work near DesMoines so the cost of living is just a tad higher but so are the wages. In the middle of bumblefsck Minn, wisc, Iowa, or the Dakota's $70K is decent for a household but not even close to being upper class. Kerry was talking about a family - not a DINK household, and I'm not a DINK household. Let me tell you that the ~$2200 does mean alot to people who you seem to think are somehow "rich".
Now don't get me wrong - I'm not saying it's poor by any strech of the imagination, but it solidly middle class.

CkG