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what would you do w/ a job counteroffer?

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mizzou

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Presently in Job A; Agreed to move to Job B

Upon notifying release, all of a sudden Job A thinks I'm a hot commodity and is trying very hard to keep me.

Job A:

Currently
xx.xx pay
crappy 401k match
stressful environment
Cubicle
Standard medical benefits
Personally very successful and have a high reputation
Unable to take vacation because of workload


Job B:

Same pay as Job A, except a much higher final pay cap
much less stress (hardly any overtime, more observed holidays, 20 day PTO starting)
Guaranteed PENSION
continued education credits
own office
Job would be something I will succeed in, but I will have to build reputation
Not much opportunity to advance, but MUCH opportunity to move around as it is a very diverse employer



Balancing those, Job B is a no brainer, but Job A is all of a sudden stating they were planning on making me a manager of a dept., (although TEMPORARILY), so that would be great experience but it seems like too much of a risk.

I'm afraid they are going to offer me a more lucrative deal after denying that one...

This is 1st for me, how do other people normally handle? I am afraid they are going to offer me cold hard $$$$ to keep me

Right now I'm just planning on keeping the door open, keeping a good relationship, and letting them know that I could always come back should things not work out.

 
When I hired my assistant earlier this year - he intimated that my offer was more money, better benefits, more lackadaisical approach to everything, better environment, etc.

Once he gave notice to his first job - they matched my offer, but couldn't come close to my benefits. A quick and dirty - "I'm sorry but I reject your offer - you're going to have to do much better than that to keep me here." ought to do the trick.

Upon losing employees bosses suddenly realize how much its gonna suck without them, and that they should have been treating them better all along.

If Job A had a better environment - you wouldn't have even considered Job B right? Tell Job A to stuff it.





 
Originally posted by: bobdole369
When I hired my assistant earlier this year - he intimated that my offer was more money, better benefits, more lackadaisical approach to everything, better environment, etc.

Once he gave notice to his first job - they matched my offer, but couldn't come close to my benefits. A quick and dirty - "I'm sorry but I reject your offer - you're going to have to do much better than that to keep me here." ought to do the trick.

Upon losing employees bosses suddenly realize how much its gonna suck without them, and that they should have been treating them better all along.

If Job A had a better environment - you wouldn't have even considered Job B right? Tell Job A to stuff it.
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yeah, totally agree. I even told them that if they had told me about these ideas of theirs a few months ago I may have never searched for a new job.

Add on top they didn't tell me anything about $ increase and the fact it is temporary sounds sketchy as far as my future is concerned.

If Job B didn't have a pension I would seriously consider it =)
 
youre going to stay with A because of the temptation, then 3 weeks in, all the old negatives are still there, and you'll loathe it even more, because you had a chance to jump and you didnt
 
Originally posted by: EMPshockwave82
sounds like a carrot on a stick
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Yep - Job A is dangling that carrot. Don't bite.

This is a no brainer. Job B. As much as Job A dangles that carrot repeat after me - "I have a better opportunity in every way and I must take it, it's just business."

-edit-
The reason Job A is scrambling to keep you is you are cheap labor, they dangle the carrot to keep you and still not pay you what you are worth. You know what you are worth by offer of Job B. Don't be scared of trying to building a reputation, if you're a professional this is the easiest part.
 
Originally posted by: 0roo0roo
forget a.
they'll keep you a while then dump u
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Exactly. Counteroffers are usually just a way of getting people to stick around for a few months until they find your replacement.

Once you announced to your boss that you've been interviewing elsewhere, there is a good chance that they'll no longer trust you. When it's time for the next round of layoffs, you'll probably be at the top of the list.
 
B sounds like a govt job, heh.

But ive seen this a lot before, people are like "zomg! this other place is gonna give me an awesome salary and said I will NEVER have to work overtime!"

Then a year later they are like "shit man I work 60 hours a week, im so f#cked"
 
You're in catch 22 the way i see it. You already agreed to take position with company B and notified company A of the fact. If you now tell company B nevermind, you will burn bridges, if you tell company A no, they will likely never hire you again as they know you will jump when you find something better.

Good luck
 
Sometimes the devil you know is better than the devil you don't. And usually it is.

Ok my peice here as someone who hires people as well as assists others with the hiring process.

I get recruited often and I have yet to go to my boss and say I am leaving. I have been offered what looks to be a "better" job on several occasions and turned them down.

WHat you have to look at is WHY are you looking and WHAT are you looking for. I am not a strong proponent of people claimning they are unserpaid or treated like crap because no one is underpaid. You made an agreement to to do this work for this pay. You are paid what you agreed to and as your pay goes up or down you stay because your pay is based on what you are willing to take compared to what they are willing to give. If you can not negotiate and can find someone that will pay more then great, you now have a better negotiating position. No problem using as long as you understand that labor is usually one of the biggest expenses of a company AND one of the easiest to reduce. SO once you get more than they were willing to pay you are in a position that makes you more expendible. I feel I provide GREAT value to my company and because of that I have more freedom to my job as I wish. This is based on what every company looks at, ROI (return on investment). As long as I provide them a really good ROI they will keep me. SHould I demand to make more and the ROI becomes less attractive, my value will diminish and I become more expendible. You always need to look at this when redcieing a ccounter offer and you need to be brutally honest with yourself. What quirks do you have that piss the boss off. What is important to HIM not to you. If you believe that that the ROI will still be really good after the pay raise and that you will retain your value stay.

If you do not want to continue to work where you are at (most people that as fed up with their jobs have little to do with money) then take the new job. The main benifit of the new job is that you are starting with their ROI and wither they place a higher value on the service you provide or they are better at using it. EIther way there is a far lower chance that in six month they will com to the comclusion that they are paying you to much.

ALso take in to consideration the economy, which firm is more likely to ride through this current downturn with the least amount of changes. You need to consider the fact that at your current job you have a history and what value that history brings you and the employer. I hae seen plenty of people that get a new job and are shocked to find that what was promised is not reality. Understand that the hiring process is a double sale process as you are selling you and they are selling them. In the sales process usually you are highlighing the good and avoiding the negitive aspects.

 
Originally posted by: ultimatebob
Originally posted by: 0roo0roo
forget a.
they'll keep you a while then dump u
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Exactly. Counteroffers are usually just a way of getting people to stick around for a few months until they find your replacement.

Once you announced to your boss that you've been interviewing elsewhere, there is a good chance that they'll no longer trust you. When it's time for the next round of layoffs, you'll probably be at the top of the list.
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ultimatebob speaks the truth, I was going to post almost the same exact thing. Never ever take a counteroffer once you've announced you're leaving.
 
I agree with UM and TM.

You've announced your intention to leave. Sticking around now will only delay your exit...and it MAY come at an unplanned time.

Offer B SOUNDS much better. Only time will tell if it really is.

Definitely do your research before jumping ship...but then again, you SHOULD have done that before announcing that you were leaving, just in case.
 
Job A is just making crap up to get you to stay. If you agree to turn down Job B, those little promises Job A made will suddenly take time to materialize or will be rejected.

You got a great offer from Job B. Tell Job A that unless they can offer you 50% more IN WRITING then bye bye.
 
Originally posted by: oldsmoboat
B, hands down
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Where the hell are YOU gonna find a better job?

Anywhere else and the work might be too steady...😛

Nice to see you finally "woke up." 😀
 
unless you REALLY need the money that they throw at you, turn them down. you survived this far on the same salary you are going to get at the new job...dont make yourself miserable for more money that you dont really need.
 
99.999999% of the time accepting a counter offer is a very very bad idea.

Oh, and how come they had no interest in making you a manager the day before you tried to resign?
 
Originally posted by: Finalnight
99.999999% of the time accepting a counter offer is a very very bad idea.

Oh, and how come they had no interest in making you a manager the day before you tried to resign?
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Exacalackely
 
Originally posted by: BoomerD
Originally posted by: oldsmoboat
B, hands down
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Where the hell are YOU gonna find a better job?

Anywhere else and the work might be too steady...😛

Nice to see you finally "woke up." 😀
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I got a job for you planting tulips. Want it?
:laugh:
 
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