I would be disappointed, but they are my offspring and it wouldn't change my feelings towards them one bit!
Actually, I'll call you a bigot after you explain your reasoning. Before you explain your reasoning, you're just an idiot.
I'm always open for proof/logic/discussion. My opinions on various world/religious/personal issues have been challenged, if not outright changed, by different points and opinions that have been voiced by people on here.
Do us all a favor and go stand in front of the microwave with the door open for a while. You're clearly not bright enough to handle the responsibility of having kids.
"Homosexuality: It's just stupid." What a blinding stroke of logic. I quaver before your irrefutable debate skills.
Man, get a life. It's what he thinks (probably through religion?) and maybe you should respect it and learn people have different views than you do.
If that were to happen to me, I believe I would be dissapointed with myself more than with the child. I would still love them of course. It's been my personal experience that all my friends that aren't heterosexual persay have been abused as children, be it sexually, emotionally, or physically. I remember listening to Loveline when I was younger, and when anyone would call in to the show admittedly being homosexual, it turns out that their parents were divorced, or that they were a victim of abuse. Whether or not homosexuality is genetic is yet to be determined, and from what I have experienced, I would lean towards the explaination that childhood environment has a lot to do with it. Naturally it doesn't change the person's value in my eyes at all, and is certainly not a reason to hate them. But if my child turned out gay, I would view it as somewhat a failure of me as a parent, unable to provide an environment that demonstrates love in a natural way. This is merely my opinion from what experience I've had, and I'd appreciate not being involved in a flame war with you folks who claim to be so "tolerant." I guess tolerence extends only to alternate sexualities, but when someoen voices an opinion that you don't agree with, they are an idiot all of the sudden. That is hypocrisy, not tolerance.
No, actually, I'm very tolerant of my friend's views; a surprisingly large amount of them don't think it's normal - that's fine. They have their reasoning and I support their right to follow that reasoning.
What I am against is something saying "Well, it's stupid" or "I would disown them"... that, to me, would be the point of failure as a parent.
Well said man. I can't stand people that have 'unique' viewpoints and when someone challenges them, they are an idiot automatically.
Somebody just finished flaming an individual in this thread telling them to stand in front of an open microwave because he thought their viewpoint was wrong. How tolerant is that? Granted, I don't agree with "it's just stupid" either, but he's entitled to the view as much as you are to yours or I am to mine. We can discuss the issue in a civil manner without resorting to insulting, and if someone offers a baseless statement with no supporting evidence, just ignore it, because it doesn't contribute to the discussion and neither does flaming that person. I don't mean to point you out because most of ATOT is like that, moreso than it used to be. I like being exposed to the variety of viewpoints we have here, and I feel as though I've learned a lot and changed my opinions on numerous subjects, however this guy isn't going to change his mind about gay folks because you tell him to stand in front of a microwave.
Originally posted by: Millenium
I like to screw cats. Pussy cats that is.
Now a shaved pussy... cat on the other hand.
Of course not. But he wasn't willing to listen to any other viewpoints, either, as far as I could tell.
There are some people who are absolutely stuck in their ways (liberal, conservative, whatever) who will not consider or even debate other viewpoints. He struck me as one of those people, and so I flamed him for it.
Not quite. They are automatically idiots when they vow to disown their kid, scarring them for life, for no reason othen than that the child's lifestyle is "stupid". That makes you an idiot. If you're going to do that to your own flesh and blood, you better have a goddamn good reason and "It's just stupid" doesn't cut it. BatmanNate and I have essentially different viewpoints on the subject, but at least he can discuss how he would deal with it in an intelligent fashion. That was the whole point of the thread as far as I can see.
EDIT- and yes, I will flame the hell out of people like this. Either present your viewpoint, back it up intelligently, and discuss with others or STFU and stay out of the thread. No one crawled up Maleficius' ass until he summed up his position with the "It's stupid" thing. That's not any kind of discussion or debate.....it's just raw ignorance. I'll respect the viewpoints of others when they actually have one. Until then, I'm going to remain pat on my microwaving position.
While I agree with you that disowning the child seems absurd, this is not the case for a lot of the world. In many cultures, this activity is commonplace, and they measure it to standards which are higher to them than even their own flesh and blood. Many religions have simliar themes. In our culture, this is not exceptable, but America is somewhat culturally isolated from the rest of the world. To them, we are the idiots. Not even so much because we don't conform the their standards laid out by their culture or their religion, but because we would force our views abroad. (this is more aparent since America has such great influence economically and militarily) I'm not trying to make an argument for relativism by any means, I only want to advocate understanding that our culture and how we may have been raised is not to be used a a barrier between us and other people whose views differ substantially.
EDIT: I suppose I just don't understand why taking up the majority of the thread with flames is better than simply ignoring the person you've deemed ignorant.
c'mon, does anyone take koba1t seriously?
oh, and i would love my kids and be happy they felt loved and secure enough to come out to me on their own. realizing you're gay can be one of the hardest things ever to be experienced.
Ah, but by the same token there are other cultures who choose not to waste so much time and energy hating and deriding those who stray from the "norm". This thread wouldn't even exist if there weren't such a huge stigma attached to things like homosexuality. I mean, why such venomous hatred? Why the pronouncement that one would expel one's own child from the home because they prefer to occupy a bed with their own gender? Where is the crime? Who is the victim? What is the real cost to society? There really isn't one, is there? This is what I'm really getting at. Sure, different cultures may make parenting (and other) decision based on things that are unfathomable to us....but does that make it right or make them more noble than us in some way? Not really....especially if such decisions are rooted in something like religion (as you surmised many of the anti-gay statements in this thread are). Put God, societal norms and everything else aside for a moment and then look for one good reason why a gay person should be subject to the kind of treatement some in this thread are advocating. There isn't one. They're just who they are. It's certainly difficult enough for them to make peace with themselves; the last thing they need is a verbal broadside from their own parents.
See above. People like Maleficius may one day become parents and end up doing exactly to their children what they have stated in this thread. If it takes a note tied to a sledgehammer to point out their ignorance, so be it.
Hey you never answered my question, and since you support the Christian Coalition, you should probably know the answer better than your average "homosexual loving liberal".
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Edit: I hope he wouldn't disown his "children" or you might be headed down to you know where in a you know what.
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It'd be a bump in the road for sure, but I'm more worried about my kid being mentally challenged in any way. We'd then have to take care of them for the rest of their lives. That's what I'm more worried about... all the way up to the day we decide to stop having kids.
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