What would you do if... the waitress at a bar said you did something wrong because you tipped too little?

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Amused

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Originally posted by: Mookow
Originally posted by: guapo337
Originally posted by: caramel
i'd blast her; remind her that tipping is optional if you feel the service was good. you have no need to justify a tip; she'd be lucky to get anything at all. what an ingrate!

seriously..

how come tipping has turned into such a necessity in this day and age? a tip is for service done well. not for services done poorly. it is a reward. no one is guaranteed a reward.

Its a necessity since the servers are getting paid $2.xx hour, with the expectation that they will be tipped so as to make up for the low wages

Yes, but the tip should STILL be scaled to the level of service one receives. The low pay/tipping system was started to ensure propper service. It makes the customer the boss of the wait staff.

If you abolish the tipping system, every restaurant and bar will have wait staff like your local McDonalds and Best Buy.
 

melly

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Its a necessity since the servers are getting paid $2.xx hour, with the expectation that they will be tipped so as to make up for the low wages

then they should be doing their damned jobs. nobody told them to be a server/waiter, they chose that profession. if i'm going to go drop major dollars on a bar tab and not be given service, then i'm not going to be amused. i could just as easily grab some drinks from the bar at home, serve myself, and not put up with waiter attitude!
 

Amused

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Originally posted by: caramel
Its a necessity since the servers are getting paid $2.xx hour, with the expectation that they will be tipped so as to make up for the low wages

then they should be doing their damned jobs. nobody told them to be a server/waiter, they chose that profession. if i'm going to go drop major dollars on a bar tab and not be given service, then i'm not going to be amused. i could just as easily grab some drinks from the bar at home, serve myself, and not put up with waiter attitude!

Yep, and that's the point of the tipping system. You should tip VERY low (5% or so, if that) if the service is bad, but very good (15-20%) if the service is good. This is why the tipping system exists, as an incentive for the wait staff to provide good service.
 

SoylentGreen

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Originally posted by: caramel
Its a necessity since the servers are getting paid $2.xx hour, with the expectation that they will be tipped so as to make up for the low wages

then they should be doing their damned jobs. nobody told them to be a server/waiter, they chose that profession. if i'm going to go drop major dollars on a bar tab and not be given service, then i'm not going to be amused. i could just as easily grab some drinks from the bar at home, serve myself, and not put up with waiter attitude!

Sit at home with a six pack and frozen pizza if that's your attitude honestly.
 

Amused

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Originally posted by: Kiyup
Originally posted by: caramel
Its a necessity since the servers are getting paid $2.xx hour, with the expectation that they will be tipped so as to make up for the low wages

then they should be doing their damned jobs. nobody told them to be a server/waiter, they chose that profession. if i'm going to go drop major dollars on a bar tab and not be given service, then i'm not going to be amused. i could just as easily grab some drinks from the bar at home, serve myself, and not put up with waiter attitude!

Sit at home with a six pack and frozen pizza if that's your attitude honestly.

Why is that? Because he feels he should only tip for good or at least acceptable service? That's the whole POINT of the tipping system. If people tip even when the service is bad, you are only promoting bad service.
 

melly

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Originally posted by: Kiyup
Sit at home with a six pack and frozen pizza if that's your attitude honestly.

Honestly, that is my attitude because it is the truth. When I'm given great service which is 90 % of the time, I don't hesitate in tipping above the required 15 %. The whole point of going out is to enjoy yourself, to have a nice time, and be served. Maybe because I provide a customer service in my profession, I know what an employee should be doing. Don't give me that crap about my attitude then when somebody isn't doing his/her duty.
 

melly

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Originally posted by: Amused

Why is that? Because he feels he should only tip for good or at least acceptable service? That's the whole POINT of the tipping system. If people tip even when the service is bad, you are only promoting bad service.

psst, i'm a she :)

 

SoylentGreen

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Originally posted by: Amused
Originally posted by: Kiyup
Originally posted by: caramel
Its a necessity since the servers are getting paid $2.xx hour, with the expectation that they will be tipped so as to make up for the low wages

then they should be doing their damned jobs. nobody told them to be a server/waiter, they chose that profession. if i'm going to go drop major dollars on a bar tab and not be given service, then i'm not going to be amused. i could just as easily grab some drinks from the bar at home, serve myself, and not put up with waiter attitude!

Sit at home with a six pack and frozen pizza if that's your attitude honestly.

Why is that? Because he feels he should only tip for good or at least acceptable service? That's the whole POINT of the tipping system. If people tip even when the service is bad, you are only promoting bad service.


On the contrary 15% is not a good tip it's standard.

You do not go out and tip 5% ever if you want to return to the same establishment. You'll be remembered. Here's my motto:

"Don't fock with people that handle your food"
 

Amused

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Originally posted by: Kiyup
Originally posted by: Amused
Originally posted by: Kiyup
Originally posted by: caramel
Its a necessity since the servers are getting paid $2.xx hour, with the expectation that they will be tipped so as to make up for the low wages

then they should be doing their damned jobs. nobody told them to be a server/waiter, they chose that profession. if i'm going to go drop major dollars on a bar tab and not be given service, then i'm not going to be amused. i could just as easily grab some drinks from the bar at home, serve myself, and not put up with waiter attitude!

Sit at home with a six pack and frozen pizza if that's your attitude honestly.

Why is that? Because he feels he should only tip for good or at least acceptable service? That's the whole POINT of the tipping system. If people tip even when the service is bad, you are only promoting bad service.


On the contrary 15% is not a good tip it's standard.

You do not go out and tip 5% ever if you want to return to the same establishment. You'll be remembered. Here's my motto:

"Don't fock with people that handle your food"

Don't fsck with people who pay your bills, either.

15% is standard for ACCEPTABLE service. It is not standard for crappy service. And no, I will not go back to a place that has crappy service. If I do give it a second chance, I make sure I get another waiter.

I am, more than 90% of the time, a very good tipper (I average more than 20%). But I refuse to be scared or guilted into rewarding bad service. It's idiots that do this who are responsible for bad waiters remaining on the job as long as they do.
 

StageLeft

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Originally posted by: Spoooon
I was at the bar tonight with some friends. Our service was completely crappy, so we tipped accordingly. She came back and said: "I think you did something wrong. I know I was a little slow tonight, but you only tipped 3 dollars on an 80 dollar tab." A friend of mind said to run it again and he would take care of it. He tipped her the same as before and we took off.

Now, the service really was atrocious. It took forever to get our drinks, our pints would not really be pints because of what was spilled out when she would try to bring us our drinks, she couldn't remember what we ordered, etc. So, she didn't really deserve a tip.

Now, if she came back to you and complained, what would you do?
I would say that a tip is not a right, it's something that is earned through efficient and thoughtful service, as per the definition of a tip. If I was your friend I'd almost have been inclined to run it through again and give her no tip. TIPS ARE EARNED.

 

melly

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Originally posted by: Kiyup


On the contrary 15% is not a good tip it's standard.

You do not go out and tip 5% ever if you want to return to the same establishment. You'll be remembered. Here's my motto:

"Don't fock with people that handle your food"


I don't know where you live, but where I come from, a tip is 10 to 15 % for good service. And the cooks do an excellent job. Too bad I can't tip them.
 

guyver01

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Originally posted by: Kiyup
You do not go out and tip 5% ever if you want to return to the same establishment. You'll be remembered. Here's my motto:
"Don't fock with people that handle your food"

they can remember me all they want.... if i tip poorly... its because service was poor and i WILL NOT be back.

and if i do go back, and the "fock" with me.... then welcome to the wonderful world of health inspections.... because if you do something... i WILL report you, and you will be shut down.



 

UltraQuiet

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"I think you did something wrong. I know I was a little slow tonight, but you only tipped 3 dollars on an 80 dollar tab.

So her entering argument was that you were screwed up. That's terrific. I would have called for the manager, took the tip back from her in front of him and then told them both why.
 

guyver01

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Originally posted by: caramel
I don't know where you live, but where I come from, a tip is 10 to 15 % for good service. And the cooks do an excellent job. Too bad I can't tip them.

agreed... too bad you cant tip the busboy/busgirl..... most of the time, they do all the work.

i only see the waiter to order and pay....



 

melly

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Originally posted by: guyver01

agreed... too bad you cant tip the busboy/busgirl..... most of the time, they do all the work.

i only see the waiter to order and pay....


methinks the next time i'm at a restaurant and eat a luscious meal, i shall tip the cook! :D
 

jlee

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Originally posted by: caramel
Originally posted by: guyver01

agreed... too bad you cant tip the busboy/busgirl..... most of the time, they do all the work.

i only see the waiter to order and pay....


methinks the next time i'm at a restaurant and eat a luscious meal, i shall tip the cook! :D

I never thought of that..maybe next time I will :D

AFAIK, if a waiter/waitress's salary (combined hourly wage and tips) does not meet or exceed minimum wage requirements, the establishment is required to make up the difference. So, receiving poor tips doesn't mean they have no money..it just means they don't have much.

 

"i'd blast her; remind her that tipping is optional if you feel the service was good. you have no need to justify a tip; she'd be lucky to get anything at all. what an ingrate!"

"Don't fsck with people who pay your bills, either.

15% is standard for ACCEPTABLE service. It is not standard for crappy service. And no, I will not go back to a place that has crappy service. If I do give it a second chance, I make sure I get another waiter.

I am, more than 90% of the time, a very good tipper (I average more than 20%). But I refuse to be scared or guilted into rewarding bad service. It's idiots that do this who are responsible for bad waiters remaining on the job as long as they do."


Wow! You take no nonsense, Caramel! Or do you? LOL! I agree with you, except I wouldn't waste my precious time explaining to this lady or blasting her. I would simply ignore her and walk out. If she can't figure where she went wrong, too bad. However, if she approached me in a more subtle way and seeming willing to learn what she did wrong, then I might add an extra dollar tip and tell her where she went wrong.

Amnesiac 2.0, I agree with you. My sis tends to complain when she's not satisfied with their service and they do try to make up for it, which is cool. However, that's not my kind of thing . . . it starts to make someone sound like a whiner. It's not like eating out is my thing or my home, so they should figure it out themselves where they went wrong. Besides, a low tip should clue them on that . . . of course with exception to the stereotype that people of a certain ethnic group tip low anyway.
 

Thegonagle

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Depending upon where you eat, cooks are very often paid quite well. Servers, OTOH, aren't.
 

pulse8

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Originally posted by: guyver01
Originally posted by: caramel
I don't know where you live, but where I come from, a tip is 10 to 15 % for good service. And the cooks do an excellent job. Too bad I can't tip them.

agreed... too bad you cant tip the busboy/busgirl..... most of the time, they do all the work.

i only see the waiter to order and pay....

The waiters and waitresses share their tips with the busboys and bus girls at most places.
 

Amused

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Originally posted by: luvly
"i'd blast her; remind her that tipping is optional if you feel the service was good. you have no need to justify a tip; she'd be lucky to get anything at all. what an ingrate!"

"Don't fsck with people who pay your bills, either.

15% is standard for ACCEPTABLE service. It is not standard for crappy service. And no, I will not go back to a place that has crappy service. If I do give it a second chance, I make sure I get another waiter.

I am, more than 90% of the time, a very good tipper (I average more than 20%). But I refuse to be scared or guilted into rewarding bad service. It's idiots that do this who are responsible for bad waiters remaining on the job as long as they do."


Wow! You take no nonsense, Caramel! Or do you? LOL! I agree with you, except I wouldn't waste my precious time explaining to this lady or blasting her. I would simply ignore her and walk out. If she can't figure where she went wrong, too bad. However, if she approached me in a more subtle way and seeming willing to learn what she did wrong, then I might add an extra dollar tip and tell her where she went wrong.

Three of those quotes are mine. :confused:
 

RaySun2Be

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I start with 20%, and assume I'm going to get good service. As the meal goes on, I start deducting for slow and poor service. Like when our table of 6 is out of drinks, we need more chips and salsa, and we are trying to get our waiter's attention, and he's too busy chatting up the waitresses, glances over finally, then ducks behind a wall in hopes we didn't see him slacking off. He's not getting 20% of a good bill.

I'll tip more than 20% for exceptional service.

But I say this. A waiter/waitress that EXPECTS a good tip, even when they know they've performed poorly should wake up and realize that better performance means better tips. and yes, unfortunately, there are those cheapskates that don't tip well (my father for 1, grrr) even with great service. Of course, in my father's defense, he's probably going on the old rates, where 10% was standard, and 15% was exceptional. Heh.

If I perform poorly at my job, my review sucks, and I either get fired or I don't get much of a raise. Waiters and waitresses get performance evaluations after every meal. So if you perform poorly, expect to get paid poorly. (excluding the cheapskates, dasm them)

If a waitress comes back to me like this case, and even admitted she was slow, I would explain why she got the tip she did. If she persists, or has an attitude, then we get the manager involved, and she gets nothing.

 

chrisjor

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I always give at least 10%. Ten percent for the most atrocious service, and a comment about that service. I always give at least 10% because, as others have already stated, there may be others who share in that tip.

20% for excellent service.....I guess I usually always give around 15%.

I also always tip in cash....allows the server to decide how much they report to the Gov.