I have a WD740GD, the old skool raptors. 8MB cache, runs XP like lighting, not very good with vista / 7 because it is too full. Any idea what may come close in terms of a "normal" hard drive. I do not want to buy a velociraptor.
What would outperform my 74GB raptor?
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just about any drive assuming you have a sata-2 ncq motherboard that has 7200rpm and 8meg cache will outrun that these days due to density.
or just get an SSD and really feel how slow that raptor is
or just get an SSD and really feel how slow that raptor is
Not to hijack this thread, but I have a question related to what Emulex said. When shopping for a new HD, how can we tell what the aerial density of a given drive is? I've never been able to find that in a mfgr's spec sheet. I've even tried calling Seagate & WD in the past & asking a tech support rep about a particular drive, and they both said they "don't have access to that information." (Or if they did, they didn't wanna tell me.)
There's gotta be a way -- anyone know?
There's gotta be a way -- anyone know?
If you want to stay on the cheap side, go with any modern 1-2 platter drive. 320 or 500GB per platter, and 16-64 MB cache. Examples are the WD Black 640GB, 1TB, Samsung Spinpoint F3 1TB, etc.
If you want to spend more, get a SSD. 64-80GB is plenty as long as you install games / media on secondary hard drive.
If you want to spend more, get a SSD. 64-80GB is plenty as long as you install games / media on secondary hard drive.
blackangst1
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As curse said, a black drive will be pretty close, and the newer raptors are quite a bit faster.
And then there's SSD.
And then there's SSD.
These raptors are outdated in terms of noise and heat. I had a 16MB version and since I got the SSD, I never looked back.
http://cgi.ebay.com/Western-Digital...emQQptZLH_DefaultDomain_0?hash=item2305bbafaa
How would this drive here compare to a new caviar black or other 7200 RPM hard drives?
How would this drive here compare to a new caviar black or other 7200 RPM hard drives?
That doesn't seem worthwhile at all considering you can get a good SSD for around that price. Though I'm guessing you want more space than a cheaper SSD would give you.
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Who cares about space on SSD. Its best use is for OS and applications anyway. Games do not recieve any benefit other than slightly faster load times and music,movies really dont recieve any benefit. 32 gb's should be plenty for a typical W7 install and some common apps. I only use 16.2 gb's of mine and have a 1 TB mechanical drive for games, music, movies...etc.
I am not going to SSD right now, plain and simple! I just wanted to know how the 160GB raptor would compare to a regular 7200RPM HD off newegg.
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I thought you wanted to know what would outperform your old raptor?
I had 2 of those and later had a Velociraptor, you will not really notice much difference in actual use. Raptors are some noisy bastards though, main reason i always disliked them.
Never had the 160, but if i ccouldnt see the performance difference from the 1st gen to the Velociraptor, its definitly negligble with the 160. i mean apps and windows does load a bit faster on V raptor, dunno how noticable that is on the 160's.
but seriously, for the price, even $170 for one of the slower 128gig SSD's, your jaw would hit the floor when you see the performance difference. Windows boots/shuts down so much faster and apps are practically instant loading, everything is snappy and no noise, no heat.
but its your money. higher noise and storage for a bit less money vs performance, no noise and less storage, it depends on what is more important.
taltamir
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the best thing about my intel G2 SSD is that it makes no sound at all, ever... and doesn't produce any heat... and is blazing fast...
actually there are a lot of best things there...
OP, you don't want an SSD? if it is price issue then just get a single platter latest gen drive. a 500GB single platter drive should show a decent improvement over your drive
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I have an SSD in my gaming system, but went with a Samsung F3 500GB to replace the 160GB raptor in my HTPC. Trust me, the 160GB Raptor is almost identical in performance to your 74GB, and is slower than my $50 Samsung. Heck, if you really want the 160GB Raptor, I'll happily sell you mine for half of that! PM if interested....otherwise get any ~$60 7200rpm drive and you'll be more than happy.
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I went from that exact same drive (WD740GD) to an X25 and the difference is simply mindblowing.
If you insist on getting a spinning disk, I'd probably get one of the Samsung F3s.
If you insist on getting a spinning disk, I'd probably get one of the Samsung F3s.
I ended up with a WD Caviar Black 500GB 32MB, 7200RPM. Price was right and I have always been a WD fan.
As far as SSD, I think the idea is great, but they are not mature yet. Failure rates after 1 year are still too high. Space is too small. In a year or two when they mature, I will be happy to make the switch.
As far as SSD, I think the idea is great, but they are not mature yet. Failure rates after 1 year are still too high. Space is too small. In a year or two when they mature, I will be happy to make the switch.
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HeXen
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failure rates where? i've had my samsung ssd for a year now, works like day 1. no moving parts, they have far less failure rate than mechanical drives. According to dell, their ssd laptops have fewer returns than the mechanical hd counterparts. Several other sources also point to SSD's having good lifespan. Mechanical hd's seem they fail more these days than they did in the 90's but thats just me.
Not mature? guy, theyve been around for like 10 years. its only last few they came marketable, they still have some growing room in the technology of course but if we waited for mechanical drives to be mature, no one would by them until probably 2004 or something. i think perpendicular and ssd was the last halfway decent move in hd tech that i'm aware of less you count the hybrids.
My god...... What was I ever waiting for? This new WD5001AALS 500GB 7200RPM 32MB Caviar Black blows my raptor out of the water.
I am running a ICH5R southbridge and get 102.1MB/s AVG read, 12.2MS Access on HDTach. It starts out at about 120MB/s and falls to about 82MB/s towards full. Windows 7 rates it at 5.9
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My raptor on the other hand gets 65.1MB/s AVG read, 7.9MS Access on hdtach. It starts it only 71MB/s and falls to about 53MB/s toward full. Windows 7 rates it at 5.7.
I know this benchmark does not give the whole picture but the real world feel is so much faster its like owning a new computer.
I am running a ICH5R southbridge and get 102.1MB/s AVG read, 12.2MS Access on HDTach. It starts out at about 120MB/s and falls to about 82MB/s towards full. Windows 7 rates it at 5.9
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My raptor on the other hand gets 65.1MB/s AVG read, 7.9MS Access on hdtach. It starts it only 71MB/s and falls to about 53MB/s toward full. Windows 7 rates it at 5.7.
I know this benchmark does not give the whole picture but the real world feel is so much faster its like owning a new computer.
taltamir
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technically you had SSDs in the 70s. the first music player ever was around 1970 and used a tiny SSD for a whopping 30 seconds of playtime
. It was a commercial failure because nobody wanted to pay for a player than can store a whopping 0.25 songsSSDs today are much more reliable then any spindle disk. Early models were much SLOWER then spindle disk and sold purely on being more reliable. only in the past year or so did we finally have greater speed to go with that greater reliability
There are lots of technologies that have been around for a long long time... hydrogen fuel cells were used in airplanes in the 1930s. ePaper has been used in billboards since the 1950s.
There needs to be a certain minimum of performance and cost for something to penetrate the general consumer market though (which requires technological advancements of course)...
there are also alternative flash storage... for example there is a type of SSDs that uses cells filled with a concoction that can solidify as either a crystal or a glass depending on the rate of cooling. By melting it up (run a current through it) and then either letting it solidify (form a glass), or run a light current via it as it solidifies (heating it slightly, causing it to solidify slower, forming a crystal lattice) it can have two separate states. The crystal and glass forms have different electrical resistance which can be measured by running a current via them (too weak to melt it). These drives have neigh infinite writes per cell, and storage duration. (meaning you can do not need TRIM, do not need wear leveling, putting a drive aside without power for 10 years will not cause dataloss, and they should literally last millions of years...)
It is also estimated that as we miniaturize futherther their production cost and reliability will improve a lot compared to current flash storage tech, this tech is available for sale TODAY... however the biggest drives are fairly expensive while only 128MB in space, not nearly the miniaturization level of current flash tech, and are relatively slower.
All of these will greatly improve as their technology is refined, but if you need absolute durability and a small storage those are the drives for you.
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taltamir
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which i totally agree with.
i just wanted to emphasize how mature it actually is.
You don't need to know the aerial density, the platter size is just as useful.
The WD Raptor 74GB like virtually all Raptors has two platters, meaning 37GB per platter. Other Raptors with two platters: 36GB Raptor, 150GB Raptor, 300GB VelociRaptor.
The 150GB VelociRaptor is one of the few that only has one platter.
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New drives typically have 320GB or 500GB platters, or somewhere in between.
Some examples:
Seagate 7200.10 500GB (3x 167GB platters) (released 2007 sometime)
Seagate 7200.11 500GB (2x 250GB platters) (this drive was released around november, 2007)
Seagate 7200.11 1.5TB (4 x 375GB platters)
Seagate 7200.12 series (500GB platters) (released mid 2009)
WD Caviar Black WD1002FAEX 1TB (2x 500GB platters)
WD Caviar Black WD7501AALS (3x 250GB platters?)
Because of the 74GB Raptor's tiny plattery size (therefore, aerial density), it's severely outdated by today's standards, and just about any 7200rpm drive will be faster in everything except the most intensive small file reads and writes.
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