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What would it take for you to switch to VISTA?
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masteraleph
Senior member
Already did move. Superfetch, searching, more stability and 4GB. Next?
Zugzwang152
Lifer
Already moved in anticipation of DX10 games. Also, updated UI, better Start menu, better security.
us3rnotfound
Diamond Member
Already moved, for no reason in particular. And it works. Better. Than xp.
Mem
Lifer
Another 100000000 thread on Vista, right first of Vista is superior to XP,better memory handling and security, I won't go into depth since it has been posted 1 billion times before,as to gaming and ram,look at history remember DOS,Win 95 etc...remember how time moved on games required and needed more ram 4MB,8MB, 512MB,1GB etc...,I can still remember my old 4mb DOS games 😉,now 1-2GB for games is quite normal and with future games requiring even more ram ,we still don't know how demanding some DX10 games will be ram wise but you can bet more the better.
Game developers can make use of the 4GB+ ram with Vista x64 (some game developers have already stated this,so its only a matter of time).
One thing any gamer will tell you is ram barrier keeps moving upward.
I have already moved to Vista x64 six months ago,way better then XP(I only ever use XP on my backup PC for updates) ,I'm very happy with my Vista gaming ,stability,security ,general use so nothing to complain about.
nerp
Diamond Member
It's funny how actual use can build a perception as compared to what one might beleive reading forum threads and misinformed dorks on so called "enthusiast sites."
Reading whitepapers, doing research and using a product directly to form an opinion is apparently too difficult for most people.
Running Vista since Jan 31. Been solid all along.
I have had Vista since it hit the MSDN download site, and it has been alright. Some of my older games that worked under XP no longer due under Vista, but since they are older games, I just run them in an XP VM under OS X. For the most part I don't mind it, some aspects of it are a little silly, such as the included games, where you apparently need 3D acceleration to run Solitaire, which frankly is ridiculous. I give Vista 512MB in a VM under OS X (BootCamp Partition access) and I can run Google Sketchup just fine, IE7, but can barely run freecell, anyone else think that is a little much? Conversely, I can give XP a mere 256MB in a VM and run solitaire just fine, in addition to streaming movies from Netflix (ok a little bit of a stutter in the movies)
Nothinman
Elite Member
Most likely it would require a lobotomy. I may install it on a separate hard drive or in a VM for the occasional Windows-only game but that's about it.
32-bit systems are limited to 4G of VM total, the kernel reserves 2G of that for itself so that leaves a max of 2G VM for each process. It's actually less than 2G because the binary itself, shared libraries, mmap'd files, etc all take up VM space. You can change the split to 3G and 1G but it requires a number of hoops be jumped through to actually affect some binaries and you can cause other issues since you've halved the kernel's available VM to 1G.
Then there's the issue of 32-bit Windows clients being artificially limited to 4G worth of addresses exactly so you'll never be able to get access to all 4G of physical memory since hardware resources steal addresses from the 4G mark and down. Most BIOSes that support 4G or more memory let you remap the lost memory above the 4G mark so that you can still use it but 32-bit Windows clients can't touch addresses that high so it doesn't matter in that case.
Games are using more and more memory so eventually you will run into problems with a 32-bit system. If you were really adamant about sticking to XP and still working around those memory issues you could buy a copy of XP64, but I wouldn't recommend it since it's pretty much a dead product with Vista64 being what everyone is going to support.
No, the main bottleneck for anything that has to do with computers, by far and wide is the Hard Disk drive, simply because it's a mechanical device that has to physically move for the head to read anything.
So if you don't have enough memory to load games on, you'll have to thrash the HDD heavily. And you could have a 16 core 16GHz CPU and it would be useless because it would be idle waiting for the files to be loaded off the HDD. Try playing Oblivion or Supreme Commander or STALKER with 512MB of RAM and you'll see what I mean.
2GB are fine for most tasks right now. In a year? Not so much. 2 years from now 2GB will be like 512MB of RAM are today.
Thus it's essential that we move to a 64-bit version of Windows so that we can make use of 4GB of RAM or more, for the reasons Nothinman explained. This is not a question of 'if', but a question of 'when'.
Game devs won't start pushing over 4GB or 64 unless it really hits mainstream. I think that 80% or more machines sold today have Vista32, not 64. Game devs might want to follow the 64 stuff, and make better games, but the management will ALWAYS follow the money, and there isn't money in 64 only games (yet). We are (I would guess) 4-5 years from that happening.
masteraleph
Senior member
The question isn't actually 4GB, it's 2GB.
Vista 32, like previous 32bit MS OSs, has a limit of 2GB per process. While 4GB for games is a while off, 2GB is definitely starting to show up and will become an issue in the next year for people wanting to run the latest games at max settings. Of course, these are also games that bring 8800GTXs to their knees.
bruceb
Diamond Member
Staying put with XP ... a lot of my applications, including my Lexmark X73 printer (I know, it's old
but it's good for basic print jobs) will not work with Vista and I will not pay to upgrade big buck
apps just to use Vista (at least not at this time) .. and my pc is 5 years old, so some of the parts
might not play nice with Vista and it does not have enough RAM (Rambus SDRAM .. very $ $ $)
but it's good for basic print jobs) will not work with Vista and I will not pay to upgrade big buck
apps just to use Vista (at least not at this time) .. and my pc is 5 years old, so some of the parts
might not play nice with Vista and it does not have enough RAM (Rambus SDRAM .. very $ $ $)
That's understandable, if you have old hardware it's the right decision. We can choose to be cynical about HW requirements of Vista (which are really not that high anyway, my laptop is hardly cutting edge), but the reality is that some cut off point needs to be set in order to strike a balance between progres and legacy compatibility.
bruceb
Diamond Member
That is an interesting post ... I will keep a reference of it and IF I see Vista Drivers
will download and save them just in case. But I also have a HP7410 All In One
which can work with Vista. But that Lexmark just won't die ... colors don't always
print too well (probably bad cartridge as I do not use color very often) but the
darn thing keeps working.
will download and save them just in case. But I also have a HP7410 All In One
which can work with Vista. But that Lexmark just won't die ... colors don't always
print too well (probably bad cartridge as I do not use color very often) but the
darn thing keeps working.
AllGamer
Senior member
for me to switch to vista.....
All my hardware needs to be supported 100% with their own Manufacture software, for each of their speciality why i bought them for,
right now as it stands, my Creative Fatality is crippled in vista (no EAX, incomplete volume and feature settings), ATI is also crippled (no TV on demand), Scanner software not compatible, PalmOS desktop/Sync not compatible, and much much more...
as it is right now Vista is just for Show, it does not work in the Real World.
All my hardware needs to be supported 100% with their own Manufacture software, for each of their speciality why i bought them for,
right now as it stands, my Creative Fatality is crippled in vista (no EAX, incomplete volume and feature settings), ATI is also crippled (no TV on demand), Scanner software not compatible, PalmOS desktop/Sync not compatible, and much much more...
as it is right now Vista is just for Show, it does not work in the Real World.
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