What would it take for you to support an armed revolution?

[Gunslinger08]

All of the craziness around gun control, on both sides, has gotten me thinking about how people accept change.

A direct reading of the 2nd amendment gives citizens the right to bear arms to resist tyranny. The right isn't for sport or entertainment. With that said, when do you believe we would reach the point of tyranny and when would you support an armed revolution? I'll provide some examples, but feel free to come up with your own. I'm also not saying any of these are realistic and we don't need to debate whether or not they could actually happen.

1. A ban on the manufacture of ammunition.
2. A ban on all semi-automatic firearms, including confiscation of existing arms.
3. A ban on all firearms, including confiscation of existing arms.
4. Political opponents of whatever governing administration are jailed.
5. Suspension of habeas corpus.
6. Suspension of the 4th amendment.
7. Confirmed evidence that non-violent dissidents are being jailed/imprisoned/executed.
8. A foreign state gains control through political agreement, subterfuge, or outright war.
9. Tax rates increased to 75% on all brackets.

 

[1prophet]

Take away our American idol, Jersey shore, Dancing with the Stars, celebrity gossip, I-phone , and of course P&N, force us to deal with the reality of our situation and watch a revolution ensue.

 

[Smoblikat]

Hussein Obama getting a second term.

 

[DaveSimmons]

Takin' away mah fishin' pole an' table salt. That's a paddlin'

Also, a direct reading of the 2nd amendment says that being armed is a right, it just happens to also include a justification for having that right. So, owning a gun for sport is covered by the 2nd.

 

[jstern01]

Luckly most of the posters on P&N are just talkers.

 

[boomerang]

Hussein Obama getting a second third term.

Made a little correction.

 

[sportage]

Coming to the hard realization that there is absolutely NO difference between the two parties in power.
No matter which is in control, they profit, we don't.
While they fight red faced against each other on the Sunday talk shows, after the camera is turned off they are laughing their ass off at our gullibility.
There is a plan, or more so a plot, and we are the suckers.

Ps. Toss is a little media for the icing on the cake...

 

[Nemesis 1]

I wouldn't I move to New Zealand If 50/50% of the population Has to fight over constitional rights.I don't want to be part of that Democracy(federation) That half the people can't fucking read . I would say fuck you all goodby you stupid sons of Bitches

 

[Moonbeam]

I wouldn't I move to New Zealand If 50/50% of the population Has to fight over constitional rights.I don't want to be part of that Democracy(federation) That half the people can't fucking read . I would say fuck you all goodby you stupid sons of Bitches

You must have been subjected to a lot of abuse.

 

[Gunslinger08]

I wouldn't I move to New Zealand If 50/50% of the population Has to fight over constitional rights.I don't want to be part of that Democracy(federation) That half the people can't fucking read . I would say fuck you all goodby you stupid sons of Bitches

Wat?

 

[Muse]

I'd have to believe it was the only conscionable thing to do. Armed revolution begins with armed revolt, such as the insurrection in the Warsaw ghetto during WWII. Of course that didn't result in a revolution, but no "successful" armed revolution takes place without armed revolt preceding it. And preceding armed revolt is protest and ancillary actions.

 

[exdeath]

Anything I can't disobey and secretly get away with it that puts my back against the wall. Even 75% tax rates can be circumvented by working for cash and doing work with private individuals and manipulating numbers. If the socialists from Mexico who helped vote for Obama can do it, fuck it, I can do it too. It would take something I CANT ignore with simple civil disobedience. When I have troops and dogs at my door looking for guns and I have to sacrifice one or two to buy time to retreat and regroup, that's probably when shit gets real. Don't be stupid and think you are going to take out a tactical unit by yourself unless you are pre-coordinated with your entire neighborhood and prepared to strike at once. Cooperate, buy time, and pick your battles wisely.

But it's not going to be a revolution. More likely to be a civil war. It's not the government, it's the people who put certain people in power.

Don't blame Obama. Blame your neighbors, news casters, your kid's teachers, etc. and everybody who voted for Obama because its THOSE people who don't think you NEED a rifle, or XX,XXX salary, or ???

Out government system is pretty damn good. Eliminate the power base instead. The voters. Eliminate the envious, and the people who don't even know you who would take things from you. The government and everything else will correct itself in the aftermath if there isn't a power base for that political platform.

Heres the thing with America: You ARE free to have the view, but you are NOT free to use majority power to force that view on others when it violate inalienable natural born rights and the core principles of what it means to be a free willed human being.

This day is inevitable. Founders knew it was unavoidable, it's why they fragmented the power of government in so many ways to DELAY the inevitable. It wasn't to protect us from the government, it was to protect the government from US; from being abused by majorities to take rights away.

There was much debate one WHO should be allowed to vote btw, and they were well aware of the obvious hypocrisy of declaring they are forming a free nation while simultaneously trying to limit voting power to certain groups of people who believe it's right to take things from others who have done them no harm.

I absolutely will not back down on my principles when the time comes, even if I have to play along to fight another day. But I'll be the first to admit, any remote possibility of it getting this bad in my lifetime, even with my training, experience, knowledge, skills, and weapons, it seriously scares the shit out of me. It's NOT going to be fun. 90% of the big talkers with tricked out ARs that haven't seen 100 rds down the barrel are going to be dead in the first month.

It likely wont go that far though. Massive civil disobedience and violence eg prohibition, war on drugs, etc would quickly get whatever caused it to be repealed in a hurry. If not, shit will burn.

We are far from any kind of revolution or civil war; the first step is going to be months of Katrina/LA Riots/etc style civil disobedience on a mass scale that governments won't be able to control first. It's likely facing that kind of instability that whatever cause it would be quickly reconsidered in an appeal to regain rule of law and stability.

 

[SheHateMe]

When Pigs fly.

 

[Matt1970]

Take away our American idol, Jersey shore, Dancing with the Stars, celebrity gossip, I-phone , and of course P&N, force us to deal with the reality of our situation and watch a revolution ensue.

It's more like those shows are going to cause a revolution.

 

[Jaskalas]

What would it take for you to support an armed revolution?

The use of force against a State government.

 

[monovillage]

What would it take for you to support an armed revolution?

A really cool uniform. With, like an awesome black T-shirt with a winged skull on it and skinny black jeans with skulls and stuff on them. Black and olive drab Vans skaters and free tattoos too. I was thinking maybe a cool hat, but there's no such thing as a cool hat, so just cool sunglasses instead.

 

[Nemesis 1]

heres the flat truth of it. You people all believe Our leaders are smarter than we are .
THEY! Pushed US into a highly leveraged state. Than They allowed Industries to Leave to Cheaper pastures. StartedLong ago. I could go on and on. But the biggest excuse now is americans are to unskilled and stupid ,

Now we pretty much think their smart . Right I agree. So I don't think there is .o5 % chance think this was unplanned.

 

[Deleted member 4644]

All of the craziness around gun control, on both sides, has gotten me thinking about how people accept change.

A direct reading of the 2nd amendment gives citizens the right to bear arms to resist tyranny. The right isn't for sport or entertainment. With that said, when do you believe we would reach the point of tyranny and when would you support an armed revolution? I'll provide some examples, but feel free to come up with your own. I'm also not saying any of these are realistic and we don't need to debate whether or not they could actually happen.

1. A ban on the manufacture of ammunition.
2. A ban on all semi-automatic firearms, including confiscation of existing arms.
3. A ban on all firearms, including confiscation of existing arms.
4. Political opponents of whatever governing administration are jailed.
5. Suspension of habeas corpus.
6. Suspension of the 4th amendment.
7. Confirmed evidence that non-violent dissidents are being jailed/imprisoned/executed.
8. A foreign state gains control through political agreement, subterfuge, or outright war.
9. Tax rates increased to 75% on all brackets.

Some combination of 4,5,7 and 8 would likely result in some crazy action by me.

But your question is a pretty wacky theoretical.

 

[ivwshane]

What would it take? My guess is that it would take a completely hypothetical situation and a bunch of lemmings.


Can you tell who in this thread would fall for that shit?

 

[Doppel]

Me, who knows. Like most people of modern day society it would take a lot, removal of essential staples, security, family. People don't tend to take up arms until their backs are to the wall or it's easy (i.e. the winning side is winning by a huge margin, so risk isn't huge).

It certainly seems to me that the 2nd amendment has already been infringed, so I'm quite sure anybody who'd say "when the 2nd amendment is infringed" kind of already missed the party

 

[Gunslinger08]

Me, who knows. Like most people of modern day society it would take a lot, removal of essential staples, security, family. People don't tend to take up arms until their backs are to the wall or it's easy (i.e. the winning side is winning by a huge margin, so risk isn't huge).

Yeah, this is how I see it, too. You've got the crazy people making videos saying they're going to start stuff if anything changes, but they won't really. I think it would take something massive to move people to action. For example, I don't think that modern citizens would support action for the generally accepted causes of the American Revolution.

 

[HeXen]

American's...as generalized, are too lazy these days. They are set in their ways of life. They are self centered. They lack self discipline and control. They don't care about the bigger picture and are now of linear, path through life, thinking.

But spank your kid in a Walmart for acting up and all hell breaks loose. Go figure.

 

[manimal]

These gun threads remind of the book the postman.

 

[lotus503]

Simply put, nothing. If things got bad to a point of revolution or civil war. I have a nice spot picked out to live life.

I think the chance of this occurring is very very remote, but I'm prepared if it does.

 

[Gunslinger08]

These gun threads remind of the book the postman.

I've only seen the movie. The book worth reading?