What would happen to the US if NYC was nuked?

[Jmman]

Well, the only way NYC would be attacked with a nuclear device is if a terrorist got ahold of one. We are not talking nuclear war here folks. Trust me, retaliating against terrorists or even a rogue state like NK will not lead to nuclear winter. There have been lots of nuclear detonations over the years, and last time I checked, I thought we had global warming, not winter. Nuclear winter scenarios involved thousands and thousands of detonations, not a handful. M.A.D. really is not relevant to states like NK or terrorist actions either. We would take NK's two nukes and we would deal them 50 in return (actually, it would probably only take one Boomer to wipe out their country.)



And just to check your knowledge, do you guys know how many nuclear test detonations have taken place since the first explosion? Over 2000, with many of those aboveground.

 

[Freejack2]

PBS used to have a nuclear blast mapper that would show the damage range of any city. In a 25 megaton blast almost everyone out to 10.7 miles is dead immediately. I suspect everyone up to 20 or 30 miles from the blast will die eventually due to radiation exposure. As of the 2000 census the NYC CMSA (NYC and the surrounding area) was 21,199,865 people. Add in all the people who work in Manhattan on a weekday and the dead could be as high as 15million.

I live about 3 hours from NYC. Even that far away we can expect to get an unhealty dose of radiation from a 25mton blast. I really hope the government is doing everything possible to prevent this.

 

[Banana]

Usually, when someone nukes my cities, I go after them with my own nukes, UNLESS I want to conquer their cities intact.

Oh wait--that's in Civ3. NM . . .

Edit: If ANY city in the world is attacked with a nuclear device, there will be a big panic. World economy will take a dive. If it's the US that is attacked by a terrorist or non-major power (like NK), then I don't think that there will be a nuclear retaliation. On the other hand, if either India or Pakistan nukes the other, then we're gonna have a big time nuclear exchange and disaster . . . (The stuff of my nightmares).

 

[IGBT]

If a terrorist nuke went off anywhere in the world..life in the US would be changed forever. The first thing to go would be zero or near zero imports because every cargo container would have to be inspected and that alone would cripple the US economy. Look around your home and realize all the imports you use and rely on every day.

 

[Jmman]

I can guarantee that a nuclear attack would be dealt with nuclear retaliation if we knew for sure who it was. You are fooling yourself if you think otherwise. Look at the emotional trauma and outrage at Pearl Harbor or the WTC, and the total casualties from both of those were under 10, 000. Mutiply that by a thousand and we would be just looking for a target......

 

[nmcglennon]

if NYC was nuked...there would be no more middle east and there would be no more north korea.

 

[DaWhim]

Originally posted by: morkinva
Hopefully Bushie will finally be removed from office

that won't happen, if we are nuked (i live in nyc)

when it comes to national security, everyone votes for republican

 

[sean2002]

Originally posted by: nmcglennon
if NYC was nuked...there would be no more middle east and there would be no more north korea.

And that would only take a few minutes...... remember, we have over 7,000 nukes in our stock pile.

 

[MinorityReport]

Originally posted by: sean2002

Originally posted by: nmcglennon
if NYC was nuked...there would be no more middle east and there would be no more north korea.

And that would only take a few minutes...... remember, we have over 7,000 nukes in our stock pile.

Russia has 17,000 so what ?

Say Al Queda denonates nukes on NYC ( i live there i hope this will never happen ), which nation is the US going to retaliate against ?

Afganisthan ? Saudia Arabia ? Iraq ? Most probably those nukes will be made in pakistan... so pakistan ? How will it be ever proven also ?

YOu cannot hit Russia or China .. they will reciprocate with equal zeal.

So it will be utter CHAOS and disorder for US if a nuke goes off which has been set inland by a trerrorist.


I witnessed 9/11 close and the after effects of that .. rigth on Liberty Street in DT manhatan , a few blocks from Deutsche Bank, my former workplace.

There was complete disorder, chaos and paranoia.

A nuke will be devastating ... and I will pray it NEVER happens here in NYC or for that matter any place where people live and go about their daily mundane lives.

I think I saw a report on some US govt funding on a massive parallel computer simulation which mathematically creates such a scenario in NYC .. i woudl love to see that.

 

[dawks]

n/m not worth it.

 

[Doggiedog]

Any new thoughts?

 

[FeathersMcGraw]

Today's assigned reading for this thread is Alas, Babylon, by Pat Frank.

 

[Bleep]

Microsoft will save the world with software.

Bleep

 

[Nitemare]

glass parking lot from Pakistan to Turkey?

 

[LeeTJ]

Originally posted by: Doggiedog
And millions of people died? What do you think the progression of things after a scenario like that happened.

Do you think there would be anarchy? Would our money lose it's value? Would we go on the warpath?

Just wondering what your thoughts are.

It would end the world as we know it. it's not just the US economy at stake here people. NO developed nation WOULD ever do this. There would be a world wide depression such as we've never seen before. the Isolationist in the US would ABSOLUTELY close all borders. There would be NO INTERNATIONAL trade. We wouldn't be able to afford it, no country in their right mind would extend us credit and that would CRUSH them. Do you have ANY idea how many countries are dependent on exports to the US as their primary source of income?? Japan would DIE. S. Korea would DIE. Most of europe would be hurt a lot more than they are willing to acknowledge. The middle east would flame in a war. Guess what if NYC gets destroyed protecting isreal will be no where near the list of priorities and stupid middle easterners would try to take the opportunity to take out ISREAL. they will definitely succeed but not before Isreal takes out soo much of the infrastructure that oil production in the Middle East will be virtually halted for 20 yrs or more.

It would literally end the world as we know it. that and the fact that INTERNATIONAL TRADE is based on the US dollar.

The chaos would be horrifiying. and out of all that, the US will still emerge as the most powerful nation in the world because no single country is as self contained as the US for natural resources, for scientists, engineers, etc etc.

 

[Doggiedog]

Originally posted by: LeeTJ

Originally posted by: Doggiedog
And millions of people died? What do you think the progression of things after a scenario like that happened.

Do you think there would be anarchy? Would our money lose it's value? Would we go on the warpath?

Just wondering what your thoughts are.

It would end the world as we know it. it's not just the US economy at stake here people. NO developed nation WOULD ever do this. There would be a world wide depression such as we've never seen before. the Isolationist in the US would ABSOLUTELY close all borders. There would be NO INTERNATIONAL trade. We wouldn't be able to afford it, no country in their right mind would extend us credit and that would CRUSH them. Do you have ANY idea how many countries are dependent on exports to the US as their primary source of income?? Japan would DIE. S. Korea would DIE. Most of europe would be hurt a lot more than they are willing to acknowledge. The middle east would flame in a war. Guess what if NYC gets destroyed protecting isreal will be no where near the list of priorities and stupid middle easterners would try to take the opportunity to take out ISREAL. they will definitely succeed but not before Isreal takes out soo much of the infrastructure that oil production in the Middle East will be virtually halted for 20 yrs or more.

It would literally end the world as we know it. that and the fact that INTERNATIONAL TRADE is based on the US dollar.

The chaos would be horrifiying. and out of all that, the US will still emerge as the most powerful nation in the world because no single country is as self contained as the US for natural resources, for scientists, engineers, etc etc.

Very insightful. I agree with alot of your views.

 

[JYDog]

Originally posted by: LeeTJ

Originally posted by: Doggiedog
And millions of people died? What do you think the progression of things after a scenario like that happened.

Do you think there would be anarchy? Would our money lose it's value? Would we go on the warpath?

Just wondering what your thoughts are.

It would end the world as we know it. it's not just the US economy at stake here people. NO developed nation WOULD ever do this. There would be a world wide depression such as we've never seen before. the Isolationist in the US would ABSOLUTELY close all borders. There would be NO INTERNATIONAL trade. We wouldn't be able to afford it, no country in their right mind would extend us credit and that would CRUSH them. Do you have ANY idea how many countries are dependent on exports to the US as their primary source of income?? Japan would DIE. S. Korea would DIE. Most of europe would be hurt a lot more than they are willing to acknowledge. The middle east would flame in a war. Guess what if NYC gets destroyed protecting isreal will be no where near the list of priorities and stupid middle easterners would try to take the opportunity to take out ISREAL. they will definitely succeed but not before Isreal takes out soo much of the infrastructure that oil production in the Middle East will be virtually halted for 20 yrs or more.

It would literally end the world as we know it. that and the fact that INTERNATIONAL TRADE is based on the US dollar.

The chaos would be horrifiying. and out of all that, the US will still emerge as the most powerful nation in the world because no single country is as self contained as the US for natural resources, for scientists, engineers, etc etc.

The only part I see wrong is international trade being crippled, other nations don't exist in a vacum. There are trading zones that will still exists, europe is one, asia, and also N. America.

 

[Spac3d]

Full scale, global nuclear war.

Can you say fallout?

 

[jurzdevil]

i'd be dead.

 

[LeeTJ]

Originally posted by: JYDog

Originally posted by: LeeTJ

Originally posted by: Doggiedog
And millions of people died? What do you think the progression of things after a scenario like that happened.

Do you think there would be anarchy? Would our money lose it's value? Would we go on the warpath?

Just wondering what your thoughts are.

It would end the world as we know it. it's not just the US economy at stake here people. NO developed nation WOULD ever do this. There would be a world wide depression such as we've never seen before. the Isolationist in the US would ABSOLUTELY close all borders. There would be NO INTERNATIONAL trade. We wouldn't be able to afford it, no country in their right mind would extend us credit and that would CRUSH them. Do you have ANY idea how many countries are dependent on exports to the US as their primary source of income?? Japan would DIE. S. Korea would DIE. Most of europe would be hurt a lot more than they are willing to acknowledge. The middle east would flame in a war. Guess what if NYC gets destroyed protecting isreal will be no where near the list of priorities and stupid middle easterners would try to take the opportunity to take out ISREAL. they will definitely succeed but not before Isreal takes out soo much of the infrastructure that oil production in the Middle East will be virtually halted for 20 yrs or more.

It would literally end the world as we know it. that and the fact that INTERNATIONAL TRADE is based on the US dollar.

The chaos would be horrifiying. and out of all that, the US will still emerge as the most powerful nation in the world because no single country is as self contained as the US for natural resources, for scientists, engineers, etc etc.

The only part I see wrong is international trade being crippled, other nations don't exist in a vacum. There are trading zones that will still exists, europe is one, asia, and also N. America.

exactly, they aren't a vacuum and that's PRECISELY why it will be crippled. Imagine Japan w/ NO OIL from the mid east. huuh. Imagine Europe w/o Mid East oil.

as to the US. well, it is estimated that we import 50% of our oil. If we lose NY and say 30 miles radius from NY, that's like 15% of US population. that's 15% less energy we will be consuming every year.

the world will change.

 

[FuZoR]

i'll be dead

 

[JYDog]

Originally posted by: LeeTJ

Originally posted by: JYDog

Originally posted by: LeeTJ

Originally posted by: Doggiedog
And millions of people died? What do you think the progression of things after a scenario like that happened.

Do you think there would be anarchy? Would our money lose it's value? Would we go on the warpath?

Just wondering what your thoughts are.

It would end the world as we know it. it's not just the US economy at stake here people. NO developed nation WOULD ever do this. There would be a world wide depression such as we've never seen before. the Isolationist in the US would ABSOLUTELY close all borders. There would be NO INTERNATIONAL trade. We wouldn't be able to afford it, no country in their right mind would extend us credit and that would CRUSH them. Do you have ANY idea how many countries are dependent on exports to the US as their primary source of income?? Japan would DIE. S. Korea would DIE. Most of europe would be hurt a lot more than they are willing to acknowledge. The middle east would flame in a war. Guess what if NYC gets destroyed protecting isreal will be no where near the list of priorities and stupid middle easterners would try to take the opportunity to take out ISREAL. they will definitely succeed but not before Isreal takes out soo much of the infrastructure that oil production in the Middle East will be virtually halted for 20 yrs or more.

It would literally end the world as we know it. that and the fact that INTERNATIONAL TRADE is based on the US dollar.

The chaos would be horrifiying. and out of all that, the US will still emerge as the most powerful nation in the world because no single country is as self contained as the US for natural resources, for scientists, engineers, etc etc.

The only part I see wrong is international trade being crippled, other nations don't exist in a vacum. There are trading zones that will still exists, europe is one, asia, and also N. America.

exactly, they aren't a vacuum and that's PRECISELY why it will be crippled. Imagine Japan w/ NO OIL from the mid east. huuh. Imagine Europe w/o Mid East oil.

as to the US. well, it is estimated that we import 50% of our oil. If we lose NY and say 30 miles radius from NY, that's like 15% of US population. that's 15% less energy we will be consuming every year.

the world will change.

What i meant was, nations and their economic stability are based on their zones they're in. I believe Europe could still get its oil from Russia if ME shuts down, don't forget also, countries like Venezuala(sp?) who could still produce oil for the world.

 

[NetGuySC]

For everyone here that saids let's nuke the country responsible..

Let's say that the person that did this was a US born and bred source.... a rogue Marine Unit.

What do you think would happen to the US?? Would there be a US afterwards?

In my opinion, We would slowly implode ... the US would cease to exists as a superpower ... the National debt would not be a problem for we could not afford to make the payments .... the economy as we know it would cease to exists .... would make the effects of the stock market crash of 1929 is it? look like the good days. basically the end of the US in 5 years.

Of course this is just my opinion

 

[SinfulWeeper]

Not as much as if the houver dam was nuked. NY would be a stupid target. Good thing Osama had no brain.

 

[Moonbeam]

Probably the best way to find out is to attack Iraq. First of all it makes the attack on NYC legitimate, because NYC is obviously a danger to the world and its preemptive removal only makes sense once that doctrine becomes the norm. Also, because nobody will ever know who did it, we won't be able to deter anybody by retaliating or we will have to kill everybody. Naturally we will be included in everybody.

He who lives by the sword....