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What would happen if we just leave Iraq?

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maxster

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For instance, if tomorrow the President ordered all troops to withdraw within a month. What would happen during/after that month?
 
Would? You mean not yet?

Anyways, here's what I think will happen if we'd just leave.

The country erupts in violent, but that's not necessarily a bad thing, because one of them will come out on top and control the situation.

We stop expending resources there, and start rebuilding our own country, something that's needed to happen a long freaking time ago. Most of everything that's wrong with this country right now will fall into place. Foreign relations improve, dollar regain its values and everybody is happy.

The end.
 
Originally posted by: SSSnail
Would? You mean not yet?

Anyways, here's what I think will happen if we'd just leave.

The country erupts in violent, but that's not necessarily a bad thing, because one of them will come out on top and control the situation.

We stop expending resources there, and start rebuilding our own country, something that's needed to happen a long freaking time ago. Most of everything that's wrong with this country right now will fall into place. Foreign relations improve, dollar regain its values and everybody is happy.

The end.
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OR...

like vietnam the politics fail and a military dictatorship takes over and butchers millions.

The dictatorship that gains power use to be the animals we were fighting, pro-iranian sheits, and they become another iran. And then ca. 30 years later we are trying to stop them from developing/making nukes.

Hopefully Isreal hasn't been wiped of the map within 10 years of a US "retreat."
 
Originally posted by: BigJelly
Originally posted by: SSSnail
Would? You mean not yet?

Anyways, here's what I think will happen if we'd just leave.

The country erupts in violent, but that's not necessarily a bad thing, because one of them will come out on top and control the situation.

We stop expending resources there, and start rebuilding our own country, something that's needed to happen a long freaking time ago. Most of everything that's wrong with this country right now will fall into place. Foreign relations improve, dollar regain its values and everybody is happy.

The end.
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OR...

like vietnam the politics fail and a military dictatorship takes over and butchers millions and ends up being a United States Trading Partner.
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:shocked:

 
A disaster of biblical proportion! Fire and brimstone coming down from the skies. Rivers and seas boiling. Forty years of darkness. Earthquakes, volcanoes... Ronald reagan and Richard Nixon rising from the grave. Ancient Sumerian gods returning as marshmellow men. Human sacrifice, Sunnis and Shiites living together:shocked: , mass hysteria!
 
Anybody with the resources could set up their own little kingdom - with OIL! I figure maybe a South American drug lord could get over there, they've already got arms and soldiers. Why fight the government and other drug lords when you can go to Iraq where you can pump money out of the ground.

 
I originally thought the country would fold, but since the ethnic cleansings have worked in Baghdad, I think it might just be the best thing. I wouldn't pull out troops just yet, but as has been suggested by another member, border security needs to be top priority. Let the Iraqi government have to fight it's own battles rather than using us as proxy to keep their asses safe.
 
They'll figure it out.. they're people and people tend to cooperate. Sure, violence in the beginning.. but a solution would be worked out.
 
Originally posted by: Red Dawn
Originally posted by: jandrews
I think most would agree nothing good would come out of an immediate full withdrawal
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No American Soldiers dying.
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Hard to say, if there was a revolt and we had to go back in another 30 years whose to say we werent just delaying the inevitable and perhaps even have more deaths? But that is all guesswork, who knows who knows.
 
Originally posted by: BigJelly
Originally posted by: SSSnail
Would? You mean not yet?

Anyways, here's what I think will happen if we'd just leave.

The country erupts in violent, but that's not necessarily a bad thing, because one of them will come out on top and control the situation.

We stop expending resources there, and start rebuilding our own country, something that's needed to happen a long freaking time ago. Most of everything that's wrong with this country right now will fall into place. Foreign relations improve, dollar regain its values and everybody is happy.

The end.
Click to expand...

OR...

like vietnam the politics fail and a military dictatorship takes over and butchers millions.

The dictatorship that gains power use to be the animals we were fighting, pro-iranian sheits, and they become another iran. And then ca. 30 years later we are trying to stop them from developing/making nukes.

Hopefully Isreal hasn't been wiped of the map within 10 years of a US "retreat."
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Israel isn't going anywhere and the idea that we are somehow helping her by tromping all over the Arabian peninsula is asinine and displays a fundamental misunderstanding of the situation. Israel is a semi-superpower and can take care of herself. It is in Israels best interest to let her take care of herself. The United States is only compounding the problem by hijacking the Zionist cause to achieve its own end.

When Israel took out Saddam's nuclear plant in the 80's it was a prime example of a nation that knows how to take care of its own business.
 
Personally I vote we withdraw, pour the money that would otherwise have been spent on Iraq over the next few years into energy R&D, and act like the whole region doesn't even exist.

If the Iraqis were going to get their shit together it would have happened by now. They are going to have to go through a civil war and probable repartition before things calm down.
 
Originally posted by: jandrews
Originally posted by: Red Dawn
Originally posted by: jandrews
I think most would agree nothing good would come out of an immediate full withdrawal
Click to expand...
No American Soldiers dying.
Click to expand...

Hard to say, if there was a revolt and we had to go back in another 30 years whose to say we werent just delaying the inevitable and perhaps even have more deaths? But that is all guesswork, who knows who knows.
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And who's to say that us being there right now isn't just "delaying the inevitable"? Perhaps the country would actually decide to work together to better all of their positions. I recall another country that had a pretty bloody civil war that lasted over 4 years and they turned out alright.

Thankfully for them/us though....they/we didn't have another country occupying them and trying to dictate the direction that they HAD to go in.
 
The Chinese would come in with tons of money and quickly rebuild the nation and make exclusive oil contracts with the Iraqis.
 
Originally posted by: RightIsWrong
Originally posted by: jandrews
Originally posted by: Red Dawn
Originally posted by: jandrews
I think most would agree nothing good would come out of an immediate full withdrawal
Click to expand...
No American Soldiers dying.
Click to expand...

Hard to say, if there was a revolt and we had to go back in another 30 years whose to say we werent just delaying the inevitable and perhaps even have more deaths? But that is all guesswork, who knows who knows.
Click to expand...

And who's to say that us being there right now isn't just "delaying the inevitable"? Perhaps the country would actually decide to work together to better all of their positions. I recall another country that had a pretty bloody civil war that lasted over 4 years and they turned out alright.

Thankfully for them/us though....they/we didn't have another country occupying them and trying to dictate the direction that they HAD to go in.
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Thats the thing, we went there and are there now. We should try to do what is right and make things stable because at this point we have no idea if we are delaying the inevitable. I think we all know that the last thing that would happen is they would come together and work together, even you have to admit that is a huge stretch. Anyway, we will have to get out eventually but from past insurgent experiences that other countries such as britain it is a long process to success.
 
Originally posted by: rudder
The Chinese would come in with tons of money and quickly rebuild the nation and make exclusive oil contracts with the Iraqis.
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There would be nobody to make deals with. The power struggle would have to shake out first.
 
Most people are for a well planned out withdrawal (including me), but for those who are like "Ya let's get out right ASAP now and fix our country..." well in this world you start it, you finish it, if your country isn't working properly you don't go around fscking around with other sovereign countries businesses. An immediate withdrawal would be a disaster on so many levels that it would seriously cause repercussions on us we never faced before.

I am no military expert, but an announced 1 year withdrawal / transfer of authority plan would be something very reasonable, it would lower attacks on our troops, gives notice for the feuding political parties that they have time to either agree on something or go to civil war.

But TBH, I think we know very well how it's going to end up sooner or later. Another Iran, either it's by peace or war, the Shiites have Iran right across the border, arming them, financing them, training them, meanwhile the Sunnis have what? Al-Qaeeda?? LOL Which they are fighting too which really tells you something about how non-Sunni like Al-Qaeeda truly is. Put 1 and 1 together and it's clear as the light of day!
 
I think we should pull out and let whatever happens happen. They obviously dont want us there helping them. Sometimes civil wars or revolutions are neccessary. The people of that country need to rise up and take there country back for themselves. Hey that sounds kind of familiar...
 
Originally posted by: maxster
For instance, if tomorrow the President ordered all troops to withdraw within a month. What would happen during/after that month?
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Iraqis would die at a faster rate. We would be spared further spilling our blood and money, at least for the time being.
 
Frankly, I don't care what happens over there if we pulled out. It's their problem if they want to continue to live and govern the way they do. One can only hope that they've learned something about living peacefully, but somehow I doubt it.
 
Originally posted by: compuwiz1
Frankly, I don't care what happens over there if we pulled out. It's their problem if they want to continue to live and govern the way they do. One can only hope that they've learned something about living peacefully, but somehow I doubt it.
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Thats the thing, we created the instability and not only that, if we left there I would find there to be a very high chance that whoever came to power would not like us and then we would have another major problem with a middle eastern country. Either we can stick it out and end well or we can leave, have god knows how many people die and have a totalitarian anti american government installed. Who knows, maybe Iran will just take over the whole area.
 
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