What would happen if i burnt a 750 meg WAV file onto a 700 meg, 80 min cd?

erikiksaz

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I'm trying to get Oakenfold's Voyage Into Trance onto a cd, and so far it's not working. I first had the 320kbit version, and it turned out huge. Downloaded the 192 bit version, and it didnt shrink that much more. Now the 128kbit, and it's still sitting at over 700. What would happen if i tried to burn it onto the disk? I'm thinking of how Overburn could come into play...
 

pulse8

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A 320kbit mp3 is the same size as a 128kbit mp3 when uncompressed.

You're either going to have to get a bigger CD, overburn it, cut some out or burn it on 2 CDs.
 

AntaresVI

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Well the kbps shouldnt matter - if i'm not mistaken, WAV is the same size no matter what bitrate the mp3 is. You need to make it smaller, i doubt u can overburn that much.
 

erikiksaz

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Originally posted by: pulse8
A 320kbit mp3 is the same size as a 128kbit mp3 when uncompressed.

You're either going to have to get a bigger CD, overburn it, cut some out or burn it on 2 CDs.


Thanks for pointing that out pulse8, don't i feel stupid :eek: It's been too long since i've encoded anything, hehe.
 

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You're mentioning WAV files and kilobits. Is it an MP3 or a WAV? If it's a WAV, you can easily ZIP compress it, and not lose any quality. If it's an MP3, you're going to have to either ditch some quality(transcode it) or split it up. Overburning to that size is possible I believe, but it's done by removing some ECC code, making the CD less scratch-resistant.
 

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i was under the impression audio file system was different, less overhead so it should hold slightly more. in nero or whatever it will tell you how many minutes your file is.. you can get about 80-81min pretty easy. or about 810mb? atleast thats what nero told me:p as for mp3s, youd be silly to download lower bitrate mp3s to try to save space:p your just lowering quality of the uncompressed file. its like decompressing a picture to bmp or something. if you start off with a cr@ppier super compressed jpg its not going to change the size of the bmp, it'll just be ugly as well as big:p
 

pulse8

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Originally posted by: ViRGE
You're mentioning WAV files and kilobits. Is it an MP3 or a WAV? If it's a WAV, you can easily ZIP compress it, and not lose any quality. If it's an MP3, you're going to have to either ditch some quality(transcode it) or split it up. Overburning to that size is possible I believe, but it's done by removing some ECC code, making the CD less scratch-resistant.

If he zips it up, how will he listen to it? :confused:
 

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You can burn about 800MB (I forgot the exact figure) of wave sound on a 700MB CD because it's written in audio mode w/o error correction.
 

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Originally posted by: LeRocks
Well the kbps shouldnt matter - if i'm not mistaken, WAV is the same size no matter what bitrate the mp3 is. You need to make it smaller, i doubt u can overburn that much.



You can fit more minutes in audio CD mode than in data mode. In audio mode, each sector is 2256bytes. In data mode each sector is 2048 and remaining is used for error correction. Data mode assures not a single bits gets skewed, because one bit error is fatal in programs and files. One bit error won't do a jack in audio CD, so they allow greater error and pack 2256 bytes into one sector to fit more time in it.

so you can't fit 80min worth of wav file in data mode. You can burn 750MB wav file as audio mode.

PS: My memory is dull on this matter, so numbers maybe somewhat off.

 

erikiksaz

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Originally posted by: Rahminator
You can burn about 800MB (I forgot the exact figure) of wave sound on a 700MB CD because it's written in audio mode w/o error correction.

I guess i'll give it a try, if not, here i come 9x min cds :)
 

Frosty3799

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the file size doesnt matter with audio.. its the track time.... i have burned cds that were 60 minutes long, but 715 mb... just try burning it
 

Ultima

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Originally posted by: erikiksaz
I'm trying to get Oakenfold's Voyage Into Trance onto a cd, and so far it's not working. I first had the 320kbit version, and it turned out huge. Downloaded the 192 bit version, and it didnt shrink that much more. Now the 128kbit, and it's still sitting at over 700. What would happen if i tried to burn it onto the disk? I'm thinking of how Overburn could come into play...

LMAO.. wtf man, 128kbit, 192kbit, 320kbit.. its all the same god damn thing if you decompress to a wav! All you've been doing is making it shittier and shittier!

BTW, 750MB of WAV will EASILY fit if you burn it as a CD-Audio track. 80min CD's can only hold around 700MB of data, but can actually hold a bit over 800MB of audio.
 

Ultima

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Originally posted by: Jerboy
Originally posted by: LeRocks
Well the kbps shouldnt matter - if i'm not mistaken, WAV is the same size no matter what bitrate the mp3 is. You need to make it smaller, i doubt u can overburn that much.



You can fit more minutes in audio CD mode than in data mode. In audio mode, each sector is 2256bytes. In data mode each sector is 2048 and remaining is used for error correction. Data mode assures not a single bits gets skewed, because one bit error is fatal in programs and files. One bit error won't do a jack in audio CD, so they allow greater error and pack 2256 bytes into one sector to fit more time in it.

so you can't fit 80min worth of wav file in data mode. You can burn 750MB wav file as audio mode.

PS: My memory is dull on this matter, so numbers maybe somewhat off.

2351 bytes, but whatever. You got the idea down.

 

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Originally posted by: Frosty3799
the file size doesnt matter with audio.. its the track time.... i have burned cds that were 60 minutes long, but 715 mb... just try burning it