What would cause a card to act like it's dying?

PepperBreath

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Here's a little backstory...

About 6 months ago, I noticed some weird graphical corruption on my screen. Pixels that appeared to be greenish-yellowish in color would pepper my desktop and there was massive graphical anomalies that would occur in a game if I tried to run one. After extensive troubleshooting, I finally swapped the CPU and motherboard and things finally returned to normal...

Until now.

Getting the same problem. I have no clue what could cause this. Was just starting out on a new game of San Andreas when it locked up. After a minute or two it crashed to desktop and I tried to run it again. This time I got the massive graphical anomalies in-game and later a crash. When it went to the desktop this time, I got the peppering of pixels again just like a while back. When these are visible, the desktop is fairly unstable, crashing at any kind of video playback and occasionally a BSOD.

A list of things I've tried:

1. Different Nvidia drivers, some going as far back as TNT drivers.
2. Taking out my Audigy 2 card (sound card problems sometimes manifest as visual artifacts).
3. Reapplying Arctic Silver 5. It has a 3rd party cooler that keeps it in the 50s the vast majority of the time, 60s under load.
4. Swapping motherboard (via chipset to nvida), and trying different CPUs.
5. Setting the hardware acceleration selector (or whatever) in the troubleshooting tab of the video properties does not help, even at the lowest setting.
6. Uninstalling nvidia drivers and working with it as a basic video output board *does* work and allows it to be stable, albeit incredibly slow. (closed/minimized windows "peal" off the screen)

As of right now, I can only think of two things:

A. My GeForce is dying for whatever reason. I'm not big on this theory because for absolutely no reason it was brought back from the dead after swapping the motherboard. Also, I was briefly able to get it back to normal for about a day when I had turned off the PSU and unplugged it from the back overnight.

B. My PSU is somehow responsible. It's a newish PSU from Antec and is more than capable to power my system but I've always noticed that when it's been unplugged, it takes time for it to be able to power up my system once it's plugged back in. I would guestimate about a 2 minute "charge" time from plugging it in and turning it on and being able to power my PC. An older Thermaltake PSU I have does not do this and is able to power my system immediately after switching it on.

I also suspect the PSU because I can actually hear it whine. Like an older CRT monitor, it'll make sounds when it's powered up and when my GeForce starts dying on me and eventually shuts off (PC still on but no display), I can hear a distinct pitch change in the PSU when it does this.

Anyway, I thought I'd through this out for you guys to guess on. I'm not going to replace anything right now since I'll likely be building a new system late this year or early next. I would like for a working desktop though, even if I can't play any games anymore.
 

YearZero

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Im still running a MSI NX6800GT AGP, and I also experienced 'graphical anomalies' or artifacts.
It started happening after about a year's use of the totally new system I was running it in.

I finally resolved the issue by going with a more powerful 12V rail PSU, replacing the one I had - a 15A noname, with a 18A noname!

Its almost like the PSU degraded over time, or the GFX got more power hungry,
which is very strange and apparently technically impossible according to a friend of mine, but he's been known to be wrong :D
 

lopri

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Video cards, unlike CPUs, don't last that long. 2D work or light 3D load should be fine but heavy 3D gaming performance will deteriorate over time. Eventually it will slowly die down. Try putting a heavy pressure on PSU with the video card out of equation. It's not 100% accurate since we don't know how the PSU manipulates different loads on each rails, but it could give you a bit more information. Is your CPU stable for 4 hours+ of Prime95? Note that it's possible that the symptom can be combination of both. Aging GPU will lose its efficiency and will leak more current at its 3D frequency, which will put more strain on the PSU. But if your PSU can handle heavy CPU load fine, then I would be inclined to think it's more likely the GPU.
 

PepperBreath

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I replaced the PSU with the older, less powerful Thermaltake I had and haven't had any issues since. I played NFS Carbon for about an hour today and no graphical anomalies and no greenish pixels on the desktop. Obviously it's too soon to tell but I think it may have been the PSU after all. I'll keep running 3D stuff periodically to see if it pops up again.

Do GPUs draw more power when running 3D apps? I noticed that all the artifacts and problems would first appear in a 3D game before I'd notice them on the desktop.
 

YearZero

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Yeah GPUs absolutely draw more power running 3D apps, caused by switching to higher frequencies as well as being loaded.
Its almost like the difference in power draw when a CPU is idle and under load, except larger in most cases!

Pepper, do u ever get weird characters/colors over the screen when your machine is booting up, as in not yet in Windows?
 

Captante

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Originally posted by: PepperBreath
I replaced the PSU with the older, less powerful Thermaltake I had and haven't had any issues since. I played NFS Carbon for about an hour today and no graphical anomalies and no greenish pixels on the desktop. Obviously it's too soon to tell but I think it may have been the PSU after all. I'll keep running 3D stuff periodically to see if it pops up again.

Do GPUs draw more power when running 3D apps? I noticed that all the artifacts and problems would first appear in a 3D game before I'd notice them on the desktop.



Based on this I'd say you figured this one out on your own ... newer Antec PSU's are greatly improved, however it sounds like you have a defective one, so I would suggest setting up an RMA from Antec & getting it replaced.
 

PepperBreath

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Originally posted by: YearZero
Yeah GPUs absolutely draw more power running 3D apps, caused by switching to higher frequencies as well as being loaded.
Its almost like the difference in power draw when a CPU is idle and under load, except larger in most cases!

Pepper, do u ever get weird characters/colors over the screen when your machine is booting up, as in not yet in Windows?

No. It starts as soon as the Windows boot screen appears but I never noticed anything before. Also, if I boot into Safe Mode, the artifacts are visible but not nearly to the degree they are in normal mode. It's also more stable in Safe Mode. Even more interesting, Vista was damn near unusable when I had it installed briefly. Very frequent BSOD and major artifacts.

This is only after it first appears in a game though. If it locks up and then I restart, the artifacts don't go away. If I shut off the PC for a few days and then try it, it'll be relatively stable unless I try to play a game again.

This is how I know it can't be software related. Artifacts appear in Windows XP so I format the HDD and install Vista. Artifacts and instability are still present. It's only after I leave the PC off for a few days that they go away.

After playing around with the PC and taxing the GPU with hours of gaming, I haven't noticed any instability with the new PSU. I'm really starting to think it was the PSU since this was a repeatable problem up until I swapped the PSU.

Anyway, I hope the Antec Neo 480W is still under warranty. I bought it a while ago. :(
 

2Dead

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Originally posted by: PepperBreath
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Anyway, I hope the Antec Neo 480W is still under warranty. I bought it a while ago. :(

I recently returned my Antec Neo 480W (2 months ago). It has a 3 year warranty from the time you purchased it. They sent me back a NeoHE 500.