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What would be faster? P4 2.6C or XP2500 OC'ED?

Lyfer

Lyfer

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I'm helping my buddy upgrade his mom's comp, here's the parts ordered from newegg:

Athlon XP 2500 Barton OEM
Abit NF7-S2
Mushking 512mb PC3200 value ram


If this cpu were to be able to OC to atleast 2.2ghz-2.4ghz, would it be faster than his stock P4 2.6C? If it is Imma swap the board and cpu. His P4 rig isn't oc'ed because its using a stock Intel OEm board. He has 1gb of crucial and a AIW 9800 PRO to swap with.


So which would be faster for gaming?

Athlon XP Barton OC'ed to 2.2ghz-2.4ghz
Abit NF7-S2
1gb pc3200
AIW 9800PRO
Antec true Power 430

or

P4 2.6C Stock
Intel 875P OEM board
1gb pc3200
AIW 9800PRO
Antec true Power 430
 
the barton should be faster for gaming.

But the 2.6C was a pretty decent overclocker as well. For gaming only, the barton 'probably' takes the win though. At stock speeds, that P4 is definitely faster for pretty much anything.
 
Yeah I would say in that case the 2.6C would be the better overall choice. They overclock to 250 (3.25) easily with vcore on auto, but I would scratch the PC-3200 and get PC-4000 to run 1:1.
 
I'd almost say it's a toss up....cuz i have the barton on a NF7-S2 running at 2.2 and my friend has a p4 2.6 not sure what mobo is though, and they do about the same i'd say. Like..... i def. couldn't tell a diff. between the two. There has been a couple of times when we were both in the same Call Of Duty server, and we were the first 2 people to load the map and to actually start playing. The rest were still loading. But idk if thats a way to judge it or not......i just thought it was kinda cool. 😛

I'd go AMD tho.......
 
At 2.2ghz, the barton would just edge out the 2.6c, but thats only IF you could get it to that. But the 2.6C will also oc well, at which point will make it own the barton. i would go with the p4 this route.
 
Originally posted by: dguy6789
At 2.2ghz, the barton would just edge out the 2.6c, but thats only IF you could get it to that. But the 2.6C will also oc well, at which point will make it own the barton. i would go with the p4 this route.
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I don't know about 'own'

I would take the P4 as well though, for a general purpose machine (assuming both are free). For a pure gaming machine, HT isn't much of a selling point, and I'd take the barton.
 
Yeah........i still don't know about owning it but it would just reach the edge of the 2.6 but for some reason with mine i can't game over 2.2 or it overheats.........i just think it's bad case circulation and a begining of a dieing cpu, but i still think it's a toss up
 
I bet some 2.6c's can get to 3.4ghz and since I know a Barton 3200+ was only really equal to a 2.8c in most everything you will have to get a killer 2.5ghz out of the barton and I doubt that....

In quite a few encoding apps and multimedia type apps the barton 3200+ I had lost out to my 2.4c at stock with HT enabled in HT aware apps... So in encoding apps an Arse kicking would be order!!!
 
AXP *1.25 = P4C

So 2200 Mhz * 1.25 = 2750 Mhz P4

A little faster but not worth it IMO over 2.6C stock which you already have. Why not OC the p4 instead of buying a whole new setup? duh

You'll need a cheap 865pe mobo for $90 and you're done.... Maybe pull 3.3Ghz out of it which is a 2640Mhz athlon XP.
 
Since you pick the extremes then he should get a 2.4c and clock it to 3.4 to 3.5ghz like many did....I ran my 3.5 benched against bartons at 2.5+ and they were not better...except if we are only talking games and I wasn't using HT apps...
 
i think some of you missed the point of the original post. because of the board he already has for his P4 he CAN'T overclock it. In this case the excellent Abit overclocking potential would allow the AMD chip to out perform the P4. Of course, this is assuming that you have adequate case cooling to keep it stable.

Best way to find out i'd say is to benchmark each system switching out the same memory and graphics.

My prediction is that the overclocked Barton will beat out the stock P4, but it depends on what kind of STABLE OC you can squeeze out.
 
Barton OC'ed to 2.2GHz better then stock P4 2.6c (if you not plan to upgrade the Intel board) in most cases.

Anyway depend on what application to use. If multimedia encoding go P4, others go Barton.
 
right, i missed his point. he has them both, which is faster. you can prob get 2.2 out of the barton. in that case its a 3200 pr rating. the 3200 is going to beat a 2.6 thats not overclocked across the board.

frootbooter, they both have a gig of ram.
 
a bit of a tossup if you can't OC the p4, which will cost a little bit more than the 2500.

2500m for $90

REFURBISHED 2.6c for $150

You should be able to find better prices elsewhere, particularily for the P4.

If prices where the same for the total systems, I would narrowly go for the 2500m, as it typically beats 2.2 ghz easily. It OC's better than a typical 2500+.

edit: Newegg is apparently out of 2500's and not-refurbished 2.6c's
 
since a decent overclock of the barton 2500 is 2.2GHz which is a 3200 (although the barton's pr nubmers started to become more and more meaningless as they got up there) we can phrase it like this. which is faster a barton 3200 or a P4 2.6C. its obviously the barton. check the benches.
 
Originally posted by: 3chordcharlie
the barton should be faster for gaming.

But the 2.6C was a pretty decent overclocker as well. For gaming only, the barton 'probably' takes the win though. At stock speeds, that P4 is definitely faster for pretty much anything.
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Quite the exact opposite. The Barton will win in office applications. The P4 smokes the Barton in most new games. Look at Anandtech's FX-55's gaming benchmarks, the poor Barton gets trounced by the P4 about as bad as the P4 loses to the FX-55.

It should be noted that the Barton is extremely cheap, even compared to a 2.6C.
 
take a look at that benchmark again superbooga... that p4 in the benchmark isn't a northwood. if you look at benchs from 2.6 northwood ddr400 vs. barton 3200 ddr400 then the northwood wins in OpenGL but is a little behind on directx9. but in the end the difference is <4% at most. 104fps - 100fps = jacksquat
of course that's on an nforce2 for the barton and i875p for the P4, so the only real way to tell for your own system would be to bench them yourself.

Edit: and yes mp3 encoding is faster on the barton3200 than on the p4 2.6 , but this guy is using the best rig for gaming in which case an barton oc'd to 3200 and a p4 is a toss up. however, i'd go with the p4 and not have to worry about heat.
 
Originally posted by: miketheidiot
a bit of a tossup if you can't OC the p4, which will cost a little bit more than the 2500.

2500m for $90

REFURBISHED 2.6c for $150

You should be able to find better prices elsewhere, particularily for the P4.

If prices where the same for the total systems, I would narrowly go for the 2500m, as it typically beats 2.2 ghz easily. It OC's better than a typical 2500+.

edit: Newegg is apparently out of 2500's and not-refurbished 2.6c's
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The $50 price difference easily gets taken care of since you would need better cooling for that AMD chip to reach the speeds quoted in this thread so the price difference is pretty much a wash.
 
I have both Barton and P4.

P4 Northwood 2.26 @ 3.2GHz SiS661 Dual channel DDR on a 188MHz fsb.

Barton 2500+ @ 2200MHz Via KT600 Single channel DDR on a 220MHz fsb.

Gaming benchmarks are almost dead even.

So if the 2.6C can't be overclocked, it's not gonna be as fast as the 2500+ overclocked for games, and most
everything else. If the 2.6C is running on an 800MHz fsb that will help some, but it will still be behind the overclocked 2500+.

I also have a P4 Mobile 1.6GHz (512k L2 cache) at 12 x 200 for 2.4GHz, and a Applebred 1.4GHz with the L2 cache mod (256k).

193 x 10.5 @ 2027MHz for the Athlon KM400 single channel DDR, it benches a good faster than the SiS661 single channel P4 Mobile @2.4GHz. I built both of the systems on an extreme budget, both are at 1.5v running very cool and quiet in micro-atx cases. Both have Ti4600's.

No preference for the either the Intel or the AMD, just telling what the results are. Hope it helps.
 
Ok, this might help:

Tom's Benchmark of ALL well-known CPUs

So, for OGL, 2.6C outperforms all the AthlonXP (even 3200+) by quite large margin with older games. For Doom3, 2.6C shows about the same performance as 3000+.

For DX8, 2.6C is about same as AXP 3000+.

For DX9, 2.6C outperforms all the AXPs like it was with older OGL games.

Well, this is just one of benchmarks, and the result might look differently depends on how much faith you have in Tom.
 
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