This is precisely the kind of naive, muddle-headed or just plain stupid attitude I am talking about.
This is precisely the kind of naive, muddle-headed or just plain stupid attitude I am talking about.
Originally posted by: Siwy
The suggestion that all Palestinians hate gays and because of that do not deserve their own statehood is ridiculous. Being gay, I would think you?re a bit more open minded but maybe I should not generalize.
Human rights issues in Palestine are the result of radical factions in the government. Radical factions, on the other hand, exist because the oppression and collective punishment of Israeli government creates a situation where they can flourish.
The solution is obvious?I do not think I have to spell out for you what the solution is?do I?
And that is based on what? All the other ME countries respect human rights? I don't think so. Those other countries aren't being oppressed yet they violate human rights all the time. Women, religous, sexual -its not a response to being oppressed its based on culture and religon.
My guess a Paletinian state would be just like every other ME country when it comes to respecting human rights.
How are gays treated in Isreal? anyone know?
Gays in Israel are treated just like heterosexual citizens, basically. They aren't singled out for special punishments. a gay couple in Israel has the same rights as any common-law heterosexual couple. they serve in the military. etc. Israel is actually a sanctuary for Palestinian gays fleeing from persecution by their own people. Basically Israel is the only state in the Middle East where gay people are treated like human beings instead of animals.
Why don't you move to the middle east, start one, and find out. Please make it in a place that does not have internet connectivity. If you really are upset about not being able to join the military just get a bucnh of people together and run around a field with guns shooting at each other. It would probably be about the same.
Whoozyerdaddy
Lifer
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Probably... Minus the hangings and beheadings of course. And the right to sue for legitimizing marriage. And the ability to be with the one you love without the constant fear of death by stoning. And of course, no castration.
But yeah, other than that, it's probably just the same. :disgust:
No dancing and no gays if Hamas gets its way
By Stephen Farrell
A VISION of an Islamic society that bans mixed dancing and sternly disapproves of homosexuality has been given by Mahmoud Zahar, the most senior leader of Hamas in Gaza.
After controversies when a Hamas-led council halted a dance festival and Islamist gunmen stopped a rap band performing in Gaza, Dr Zahar defended the enforcement of a strict interpretation of Islam.
?A man holds a woman by the hand and dances with her in front of everyone. Does that serve the national interest?? Dr Zahar said on the Arabic website Elaph. ?If so, why have the phenomena of corruption and prostitution become pervasive in recent years??
Because of successes by Hamas in municipal polls and its likely strong showing in January?s parliamentary elections, secular Palestinians fear that it will try to impose its ultraconservative vision on them. Its Gaza heartland has no cinemas or bars, yet the West Bank has a brewery and Ramallah restaurants serve wine.
Dr Zahar condemned homosexual marriage, saying: ?Are these the laws for which the Palestinian street is waiting? For us to give rights to homosexuals and to lesbians, a minority of perverts and the mentally and morally sick??
He denied that Hamas wanted a puritancial regime, and said its political and social institutions included women.
It means, maybe you ought to tone it down a bit. If you do not understand that, go look up alot of your recent posts / threads. I see lots of flame baiting, but maybe you enjoy that.
and what exactly needs toning down in this thread?
I think it's amazing that people like you see fit to declare my legitimate threads as flame bait. newsflash, people are allowed to bring up provocative or controversial ideas.
if you are going to address me by christian name (and I would prefer you didn't) have the decency to use correct spelling
Aidan, we're very sorry you think that you arent trolling, but in reality, its hatred overtime that mods build up (im at 98% hatred) and its not just one thing usually that gets people banned, but a conglomeration of many trolling threads. what you are posting is called trolling. you are using your known sexuality to your advantage by asking what other countries, which we dont live in, and to have our opinions on something we have no idea about. you are basically waiting for this thread to become a "gay bashing" thread and then jump in and shove your bigotry down others throats.
0roo0roo
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wake up, its reality.
and the reality is the islamic culture is highly bigoted against gays. it is funny how they get support from some so called leftists who should frankly know better than to support intolerance and oppression. and don't even get into rights of women
just look at the contrast that israel gives. sure its not perfect and the gays had to fight for their rights, but they do have some making discrimination on sexual orientation illegal in the workplace/military..and theres even a gay pride festivals
course this is yet another reason for the "islamic" world to hate israelhttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gay_rights_in_Israel
lol, so he's bigoted for being intolerant of intolerance. its sad how twisted the thinking of some has become. and for too long we've turned a blind eye to the bigotry of the islamic world.
In the best case a gay would be beheaded in the central square in "Palestine".
Far more likely for him isto be lynched or stoned to death.
Remember there is a "honor killing" culture in Islam: a father/brother can kill a daughter for having pre-marital sex.
Far more likely for him isto be lynched or stoned to death.
Remember there is a "honor killing" culture in Islam: a father/brother can kill a daughter for having pre-marital sex.
Yes, and if that is the case then these barbarians don't deserve their own state in my opinion. Let them keep living in the mud and squalor until they are ready to grow up and behave like civlized human beings.
what gives them the right to kill gays, christians or women who leave their husband?
the fact is, those barbarians won't get their own state without heavy involvement and pressure from the international community. So the international community is in a position to make their getting their own state dependent on human rights.
what gives us the right to kill cows? what gives us the right to have abortions? what gives us the right to say what is universaly right and wrong?
The UN was formed and universal standards for human rights were established in response to the atrocities commited by the Nazis during WWII. Any country that is a member of the UN has agreed to uphold these standards. Ultimately moral standards are established by the community, the UN essentially represents the global community.
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