What wireless adapters are you using?

It's Not Lupus

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Hey guys,

I'm looking for reliable and fast adapters (2.4 or 5Ghz) for my wireless N router.

(I'm using some small monoprice ones which are reliable but not that fast [or it could be the router itself that's slow].)

If you're using AC, I'm interested as well since I may upgrade later.
 
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Jack what real world numbers are you getting with the "ac" adapter? I keep searching various webstore fronts and I can not find that adapter in stock anywhere.
 

JackMDS

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are pcie adapters generally better than usb adapters?

Technically pcie are better.

However, in any Wireless transmission Antenna is just as important as the actual transmitter. Many pci Wireless cards end up with little antenna stuck low behind the tower's metal back panel and the wall. USB can be used with usb extension cord and put high above the system thus provides better propagation.

The fascinating thing about the new Intel line is the Antenna that can be placed nicely for good Transmitting/receiving high above the system.


33-106-135-Z01



As for 801.11ac Wireless Routers, at the moment I do not care about them. Toward the end of the year when the prices go down and the kinks are taken out, it might be a good thing.

In my book People who look for the General "The Best"/future proffers/early adapters, are synonyms to Ignorant that do Not understand the functional world of technology.



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Engineer

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are pcie adapters generally better than usb adapters?

Signal wise depends but as for reliability (signal connection, no disconnects, etc.) then I would say yes.

With that said, I've tried both PCIe and USB and to be honest, I've had better luck out of buying cheap wireless N routers, flashing them with Tomato and turning them into wireless Ethernet bridges than I have out of either PCIe or USB. Signals are better from my experience and much more stable.

Again, YMMV and good luck.
 

jumpncrash

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don't know what brand they are but they look like this:

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Cerb

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What is this, "not that fast," you speak of?

Are you connecting at N150 when your router can do N300? A different adapter can help this problem.

Are you getting 50Mbps actual, when you were marketed 300Mbps, but see 300, 450, or 600Mb in your connection status? Check distance, anything in the way, and antenna. If you can't see the AP's antenna(e) with your naked eyes, don't expect even N600 to perform as well as, much less better than, 100Mb wired.
 

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i too am looking for a decent pci wifi adapter.
i have fibre optic connected through a bt home hub 3.0, my motherboard fits inside the case with the psu at the bottom so my pci slots are at the top of the case.
im assuming the location of the slots will allow for better transfer through a built in aerial as i dont wish to be running wires and antenna around the room.
any sugestions on a good card?
 

Cerb

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im assuming the location of the slots will allow for better transfer through a built in aerial as i dont wish to be running wires and antenna around the room.
Usually there's no need for around the room, just around the case, or around the desk.

If you want stable wireless, IMO, go with Intel or Realtek (but not the itty bitty USB port Realtek jobs), use a router you can flash to DD-WRT or Tomato, and specifically avoid Atheros NICs. If you want fast, then be very close, get lucky, or spend more on an antenna than the NIC cost you.

This is why AC will be a good thing to have: better than 100Mb wired speed without having to fuss about with locations, antenna types, NIC/AP compatibility, etc.. Even then, if you want wired speeds, and reliable low-latency connections, you need wired networks, end of story.
 

holden j caufield

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never broadcom, we only use intel at work. My desktop at home I use a dd-wrt router in client bridge mode, it's plenty fast for me.
 

azazel1024

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I have an Intel 1000 card laying around (N150, 2.4ghz only) that managed around 10MB/sec in its day. I have an Intel 2230 in my laptop right now that managed 13.5 down and 16MB/sec up to a Netgear 3500L with no interferance in 2.4Ghz (closest neighbor is 100+ft away). N300.

Under Windows 8.1 it now manages 20MB/sec down and 21MB/sec up. Whatever MS changed, that or Intel with the 8.1 drivers, has lead to a MASSIVE speed increase with it.

I have an Intel 7260 on the way that I'll be using on just 2.4Ghz 11n for a bit until I can spring for a TP-Link Archer C7. Fingers crossed it works in my laptop, which is an HP Envy 4t. I've heard lots about HP whitelists, but I've heard of a few people with much newer HP laptops where the 7260 dropped in and worked great. I tried my Intel 1000 card, which is NOT an option for my laptop (or as far as I know has ever been an option for any HP laptop) and it booted up and worked just fine.

So, hopefully that means no whitelist and the 7260 will work. Oh man do I want it to work.
 

It's Not Lupus

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I have an Intel 1000 card laying around (N150, 2.4ghz only) that managed around 10MB/sec in its day. I have an Intel 2230 in my laptop right now that managed 13.5 down and 16MB/sec up to a Netgear 3500L with no interferance in 2.4Ghz (closest neighbor is 100+ft away). N300.

which firmware with the wnr3500l? stock?
 

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I have two wireless desktops in my network, one is my bedroom HTPC and upstairs is my main gaming machine (too difficult to fish wire to either location unlike where I ran it everywhere else in the house).

I have been using these adapters with both machines, and they have been flawless -

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16833320136

My wifi setup is a Ubiquiti Unifi-AC with the main router being a Mikrotik RB2011 in my rack in the basement.
 

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With that said, I've tried both PCIe and USB and to be honest, I've had better luck out of buying cheap wireless N routers, flashing them with Tomato and turning them into wireless Ethernet bridges than I have out of either PCIe or USB. Signals are better from my experience and much more stable.

which cheap wireless N router did you buy?
 

It's Not Lupus

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Are you getting 50Mbps actual, when you were marketed 300Mbps, but see 300, 450, or 600Mb in your connection status? Check distance, anything in the way, and antenna. If you can't see the AP's antenna(e) with your naked eyes, don't expect even N600 to perform as well as, much less better than, 100Mb wired.

using this: http://www.monoprice.com/Product?c_id=105&cp_id=10501&cs_id=1050108&p_id=8072 and Netgear WNR3500L (tomato/shibby firmware). i'm getting refurb airport extreme soon.

I only get 72 Mbps.
 
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Engineer

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which cheap wireless N router did you buy?

I have bought a refurbished Cisco E2000 ($19) and paired it with a new Belkin F7D8301 ($28). Both were flashed with Tomato (Shibby version 1.01) and placed on the 5GHz band (F7D8301 is dual, simultaneous band while the E2000 is dual, single use band). I can get up to 21MB(ytes)/sec transfer rate with that combo between floors. Generally 15MB(ytes)/sec is the norm between PC's.

I also have a Belkin F7D7301 (new @ $18) flashed with Tomato but use it for the 2.4GHz band in the house.
 
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I have bought a refurbished Cisco E2000 ($19) and paired it with a new Belkin F7D8301 ($28). Both were flashed with Tomato (Shibby version 1.01) and placed on the 5GHz band (F7D8301 is dual, simultaneous band while the E2000 is dual, single use band). I can get up to 21MB(ytes)/sec transfer rate with that combo between floors. Generally 15MB(ytes)/sec is the norm between PC's.

I also have a Belkin F7D7301 (new @ $18) flashed with Tomato but use it for the 2.4GHz band in the house.

Is there a way to know which cheap "N" class routers can be flashed to tomato? I checked the polar cloud site and it only list "G" class routers.

It seems that the cheapest way to expand a network would be to flash a few routers to tomato and make them wireless bridges?
 

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Is there a way to know which cheap "N" class routers can be flashed to tomato? I checked the polar cloud site and it only list "G" class routers.

It seems that the cheapest way to expand a network would be to flash a few routers to tomato and make them wireless bridges?

I go first to the DD-WRT site and look there because they have an extensive list.

The if I opt for Tomato i search the finding from DD-WRT ( (Google for the term "Router Model" tomato firmware) to see if there is a Tomato solution.

http://www.dd-wrt.com/wiki/index.php/Supported_Devices#Cisco_Linksys_.28Wireless_a.2Fb.2Fg.2Fn.29

http://en.wikibooks.org/wiki/Tomato_Firmware/Supported_Devices

http://tomato.groov.pl/?page_id=69

http://tomatousb.org/doc:build-types



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Is there a way to know which cheap "N" class routers can be flashed to tomato? I checked the polar cloud site and it only list "G" class routers.

It seems that the cheapest way to expand a network would be to flash a few routers to tomato and make them wireless bridges?

I generally use Shibby's list:

http://tomato.groov.pl/?page_id=69

(Although the Belkin routers are not to be found on that list, they work fine).
 

azazel1024

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using this: http://www.monoprice.com/Product?c_id=105&cp_id=10501&cs_id=1050108&p_id=8072 and Netgear WNR3500L (tomato/shibby firmware). i'm getting refurb airport extreme soon.

I only get 72 Mbps.

To improve wireless speeds? If so, get a different Wifi adapter first. I get around 70-80Mbps on my T100 on 2.4 Ghz also and it is an N150 adapter in the tablet.

A single radio can only do so much and 70-80Mbps is pretty much at the limit, especially with an itty bitty antenna in there.
 

azazel1024

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Also a note, my Intel 7260 showed up last night and I dropped it in my laptop, HP Envy 4t. I can confirm it works perfectly in the laptop. So almost deffinitely no BIOS Whitelist on the HP Envy 4t (specifically 4t-1030us is the model). That or somehow it is whitelisting ALL Intel wifi adapters (which would be odd).

Scared the crap out of me though. I took off the back cover (which I have done numerous times before), slapped in the new one, gently set the laptop down on the back cover, booted and ensured it worked okay, loaded the latest drivers, rebooted, made sure it still worked and then shut it down. Screwed on the back cover and then half an hour later I went to turn it on, and nothing. The Wifi function key light would flash a couple of times and then nothing.

Long story short, it appears one of the screws if overtightened either shorts something, or pops a connection loose preventing it from turning on. When reassembled with the screw very lightly tightened it boots just fine. Tighten it down another 3/4-full turn and it just flickers the wifi light and refuses to boot.

Freaky.

Anyway, working fine now and the 7260 is great. Still only 2.4Ghz 300Mbps routers (Netgear 3500L V1 routers), but my wireless speeds went from 19-20.5MB/sec up and down with an average at 20MB/sec when close to my router to 20.2-22MB/sec, 21MBsec average downm and 19.5-21MB/sec up, average 20.2MB/sec up.

So a slight increase in Tx speeds, but Rx is a good 5% or so improvement on average. Performance at distance is also better and received signal strength is a little higher. Sitting at my kitchen tablet with a wall and about 8ft between me and the router before with the 2230 it was -40dB, now it is -37dB according to inSSIDer (With the very slight performance boost there, which are the numbers above, however even getting closer and without the wall, the performance does not get better with either NIC).

Also shutting down the WAP and connecting to the one across the house, I manage to get up to about 3.2MB/sec on 20Mhz 2.4Ghz with -65dB signal strength still sitting at the kitchen tablet, which is up about 25% over what the 2230 could manage with similar signal strength and location. I didn't test the upstream speed though for that. Claimed connection speed with the 7260 is 35Mbps, with the 2230 it was 24Mbps claimed connection speed at that location. Near the basement router it'll connect at the full 150Mbps that the router is set for and manages around 12MB/sec down, which is roughly what it was doing with the 2230 (it might be half a MB/sec faster now, I rarely use the laptop on that side of the house and I didn't do back to back testing for that scenario).

So I am guessing better amps in the 7260 over the 2230 and/or better signal processing allowing the higher download/receive speeds, or a combination (the slightly increased signal strength says to me better amps, but close in I don't think it would make a difference on speeds, so I am thinking a combo).

Anyway, very happy with it. I can't wait to get a TP Link Archer and start running with the 11ac goodness now.
 
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piasabird

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I just got a motherboard from Gigabyte and it has WIFI ac? MB: Z87N WIFI, Maybe version 2. It confuses me to use this designation because they already used a b c n g. So they now use ac together. That has got to lead to some confusion. It is on a Centrino card in a Half Mini PCIE slot. I am testing it tonight. I looked at it and said a and c are both old wifi protocols.
 

It's Not Lupus

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If you can not wait go with this (Dual band but Not ac) - http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16833106135

Take into consideration that right now the ac is over rated by Enthusiasts (normal process when something new comes out).


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I don't recommend that N6205 adapter. I bought two and get random disconnects with both on different systems. I expected better from Intel tbh.

Also found this thread:
https://communities.intel.com/thread/31090?start=1005&tstart=0
 
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